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Glad you enjoyed it Strapped.

I went to see the film with a friend, and straight after the film, she asked me to try and explain the one element of the film that was confusing her. I explained as best I could, but had to admit that wasn't sure that I had fully understood the same element. Maybe you will have a better understanding.

Near the end of the film Mark Baum is repeatedly asked to sell his short, and take the profit, before the price drops even further - but he keeps refusing. Then suddenly out of the blue, he agrees to sell.

My friend couldn't understand why he suddenly changed his mind. I replied that i thought it may have been linked to the scene, where he finally accepts that he wasn't to blame for his brothers suicide, and then bursts into tears. After that his emotions were released, and he was able to sell.

I am not sure whether I have interpreted things correctly, so it will be interesting if you have any thoughts about this scene.

I agree with Strapped, that it is worth watching the film, whilst it is on release.

Baum's reasoning was never made explicit, but I think his decision was informed by conscience to some degree (or at least the film portrayed him in this way).

Rejecting money as his primary motivation seemingly helped Baum offload some of the guilt arising from his brother's suicide (i.e. he learned from his mistakes). Baum also appeared to be far from an archetypal capitalist, since he publicly condemned financial practices and institutions and expressed concern for people he predicted would be blamed for the crash (the poor and immigrants).

Baum's character arc was broadly redemptive (it's an issue movie, so we have to learn something of virtue), though I've no idea how accurately his experiences and choices were represented.
 
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It's very overrated, but worth watching for the music alone if you're a Jazz fan.

Whiplash was engaging enough. I'm no jazz aficionado, which possibly helped.

The film asks fascinating questions:

1) What price might one pay to achieve true excellence and is this trade worth it?

2) How far is it reasonable to push someone (and who ultimately benefits)?

I thought there were some issues with narrative and pacing. Fletcher was so clearly abusive from the outset that this left nowhere much to go.

As observation on the psychology of perfectionism the film felt pretty insightful. As commentary on student-mentor relationships, however, Whiplash felt like fantasy.

My copy arrived this week, so i am looking forward to watching it soon.
 
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Watched The Revenant tonight.
Havent seen the film yet, but have been listening to the soundtrack, by Alva Noto and Ryuichi Sakamoto (currently listening to one of their previous collaborations at the moment).

It's good, very good. I had a few problems with hearing some of the dialogue (you'll know what I mean when you see it), but overall I think it's well worthy of the praise it's received.

A side note, my wife tells me that Sakamoto's cancer has returned, which is not at all good news.

I'm going to listen to 'B-2 Unit' now, which is highly recommended if you haven't heard it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pbcC99C-Y8
 

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BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW said:
I was watching It Follows http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3235888/?ref_=nv_sr_1 not for the first time, but I've just had to turn it off.

Why does this film so unnerve me?

I'm thinking about having it in my list of four for next month. Have any of the film club members seen it?

Never watched it before.

I managed to watch The Piano Teacher again tonight, and i enjoyed it more this time. *biggrin*

My copy of Mysterious Skin was supposed to be delivered yesterday, but still no sight of it. *sad*
 

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BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW said:
I was watching It Follows http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3235888/?ref_=nv_sr_1 not for the first time, but I've just had to turn it off.

Why does this film so unnerve me?

I'm thinking about having it in my list of four for next month. Have any of the film club members seen it?
I wasn't sure about it on first viewing, but watched it many times now and love it.

Nice to see a film that is trying to do something different, and as absurd as the idea behind it may seem, pulling it off. The setting of the film seems very "Halloween", and there's a great sequence of slow panning shots which are showing various places (one being a garden) to some music, which looks and sounds like it's straight out of a John Carpenter film. Next time I watch it I'll have to find the timing so you know what I mean (might be obvious anyway).

There's quite a mix of eras thought the film, so it's hard to pinpoint if the film is supposed to be modern or old fashioned - there's the old theatre where they go see a film, and her underwear looks very old fashioned, making it seem like the 50s, and yet one girl is using a very up to date 'clam shell' style e-reader and there's modern cars in it, making it seem modern day, but the Halloween feel makes it seem like late 70s/early 80s.

Beautifully shot too - very clean, almost David Fincher-like with its lighting, like at the beginning when they're sitting by the sea at night, and when they're in the car (like on the cover), which looks very Zodiac-like.

Great soundtrack too. Made sure I picked it up on vinyl :)
 
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David

You didn't say if it scared the sh*t out of you?

David/Mike/Richard

Let me know when your copies arrive.

In the mean time, I'll choose the 3/4 films for next month, then it will be David's turn the month after.
 

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BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW said:
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You didn't say if it scared the sh*t out of you?
I'm a big horror film fan, so other than the odd jumpy moment, I rarely get 'spooked' by much. There was one quick scene which may be the main one which I think you may be referring to, and I'm trying to say it without giving anything away - the tall guy? :)

David/Mike/Richard[/b]

Let me know when your copies arrive.
Dont mind me, I can butt out until it arrives and I'll join in then.
 
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David@FrankHarvey said:
I'm a big horror film fan, so other than the odd jumpy moment, I rarely get 'spooked' by much. There was one quick scene which may be the main one which I think you may be referring to, and I'm trying to say it without giving anything away - the tall guy? :)

It's the whole atmosphere of the film that unnerves me, though that particular scene did make me jump out of my skin when I saw it originally.
 
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Dont mind me, I can butt out until it arrives and I'll join in then.

Mike's hasn't arrived yet, and I don't know about Richard's, so we might as well wait until everyone's has arrived. There's no mad rush.
 

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I wasn't sure about it on first viewing, but watched it many times now and love it.

Nice to see a film that is trying to do something different, and as absurd as the idea behind it may seem, pulling it off. The setting of the film seems very "Halloween", and there's a great sequence of slow panning shots which are showing various places (one being a garden) to some music, which looks and sounds like it's straight out of a John Carpenter film. Next time I watch it I'll have to find the timing so you know what I mean (might be obvious anyway).

It's an interesting film to pick apart.

Halloween comparisons abound and are in many ways valid, but It Follows differs stylistically in one important way, namely the absence of POV. The camera never tracks "it's" perspective, meaning the threat is always potentially in frame. Carpenter pulled this off expertly, too (we're constantly scanning the frame for "the shape"), but in It Follows the threat can be anybody, however familiar or otherwise, or seemingly innocuous or monstrous.

These cinematic and narrative devices combine to unnerving effect and are carefully exploited by frequent slow pans. If anyone in the frame (at any given moment) might constitute a threat, we can never relax. In terms of creating and maintaining suspense, these stylistic and narrative choices are both smart and at least somewhat innovative.

I say this because the film has been criticised as a Carpenter rip off, which I think is unfair. There's more going on here than imitation (I know you're not saying as much).

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There's quite a mix of eras thought the film, so it's hard to pinpoint if the film is supposed to be modern or old fashioned - there's the old theatre where they go see a film, and her underwear looks very old fashioned, making it seem like the 50s, and yet one girl is using a very up to date 'clam shell' style e-reader and there's modern cars in it, making it seem modern day, but the Halloween feel makes it seem like late 70s/early 80s.

The filmmakers deliberately mash up the iconography of different eras, with a view to mythmaking. It Follows therefore has a somewhat timeless, universal and indeed dreamlike quality.

If you own the UK BD the commentary (by Danny Leigh and Mark Jancovich, one of the UK's leading scholars of cult and exploitation cinema) is worth a listen. In their view, "it" represents our knowledge of mortality; hence characters' longing for childhood and the frequent use of childhood iconography (playgrounds and bikes).

In other words, seeking to regress to childhood is really a desire to forestall death, to turn the clock back rather than moving ever closer to demise.

The coming of age narrative and horror trope (sex equals death) fits such a reading well. Jancovich points out that the protagonists exist in a liminal space (trapped between childhood and adulthood) and that stepping consciously into the adult world marks a significant point on their journey toward death. I think he overcomplicates things a little thereafter.

According to Jancovich, water represents both ends of the life cycle (birth and death), but I think there's a cleaner reading that better fits his overall interpretation. I'd argue that water is more clearly associated with sex (which is at the heart of the film's narrative, mythmaking and character journeys). Beaches therefore become sites of trauma for one simple reason: they're thresholds between two states; land and water, or in terms of cinematic grammar, childhood and the adult world.

The first scene culminates with a death on the beach. Jay is attacked on the beach and surrenders herself sexually to a group of men on a boat (we don't see how this encounter plays out, but there's little doubt that it was a damaging experience). The film closes following a battle in a swimming pool, again a site of transition (or liminal space). And in the end, "it" cannot be destroyed. It'll always follow them and will inevitably catch up. There's no escape, or coming to terms with this. Their time is finite. Only procreation offers some sense of victory in a race they can't win.

I'm not sure if any of the above explains why BBB finds the film unnerving, but it's fun to unpack and there's definitely replay value.
 
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