The ultimate shoot out?

[bigboss]

Basically, the difference between OLED and 4K for 1080p content as well as SD content was much much closer than I thought. If they had not told me which TV is which, I would've struggled to identify it. 4K pictures on the 4K TV was absolutely glorious. The images just "popped out" with amazing clarity and depth. The fact that you can get a 65-inch 4K TV for the price of a 55-inch 1080p OLED sealed it for me in favour of 4K.

Were the TVs calibrated? If so, how (via THX Optimiser software, or professionally)?

Perhaps all TVs at the Bristol show were in shop mode, to "wow" passersby. Also, what were the viewing conditions?

The Leeds event may level the playing field. I say this because I saw an LG 4K LED at a similar event last year. In near blackout conditions the 6090, ZT/VT, and F8500 looked markedly better to my eyes.

I'm not suggesting you reached the wrong conclusion. Newer 4K televisions will almost certainly better the LG I saw, and different people have different requirements.

I'll be interested to read your views after seeing these TVs side-by-side under controlled conditions.

No, I don't think they were calibrated. It was What Hi Fi demo.

That's why I said in the other thread that I need to see more comparisons before I can have a firm opinion. I think LG 4K LED is hardly a representative of good quality 4K sets in the market currently. I would like to see Sony and Samsung in the comparisons. The demo will be interesting.

 

[BenLaw]

Is it just me that thinks once you get over 50ish inches TVs start to look ridiculous/hideous/intrusive/a bit "low rent" (in the average British home).

I guess it depends on what you mean by the average British home.

A friend of mine consistently argues that there's an inverse relationship between screen size and class.

Based on my experience in a business that took me into thousands of homes over the years to fit aerial and sat systems I'd tend to agree.

I wonder what size TV they have in Buck Palace then. Maybe one of those really old portables that's like an inch screen.

 

[Son_of_SJ]

!The fact that you can get a 65-inch 4K TV for the price of a 55-inch 1080p OLED sealed it for me in favour of 4K.

Is it just me that thinks once you get over 50ish inches TVs start to look ridiculous/hideous/intrusive/a bit "low rent" (in the average British home).

I personally think you're better off with a PJ at that point.

I put the limit to 65 inches.

Nobody will be surprised that I wade in at this point. No, daveh75, it's probably not just you, but I strongly disagree. I have a 60" LG 60PZ950T plasma TV at the longer end of my 17' by 14' kitchen, and I also have a 64" Samsung PS648000 plasma at the longer end of my 18' by 14' parlour, and neither television looks ridiculous etc. (By the way, what does "low-rent" mean?). In fact, with the LG now having been in my kitchen for about the same time (approaching two years) as its predecessor (a Pioneer LX5090, which is now in the second bedroom) had been in the kitchen, I've been thinking that fine (despite its dodgy black levels) though the post-calibration LG is, it would be finer if it were at least ten inches bigger! I don't dispute that bigboss and others would go for a projector for screen sizes above around 65 inches, as indeed the ace calibrator Steve Withers suggested to me on the phone last week. For me personally (and I stress that I'm comfortable if other people differ) I would prefer a VERY large television rather than a projector. Following the conversation with Steve Withers (prompted by my asking him if it would be worthwhile raiding my pension fund to get one of the last Panasonic 65VT65 televisions to replace my Samsung, and though the Panasonic has better black levels he didn't think that overall that the Pansonic would be a wise move for me) I think my next, reasonably feasible upgrade target would be the 80-inch Sharp LC-80LE657, £4,400 from John Lewis, cheaper elsewhere http://www.johnlewis.com/sharp-lc-80le657-led-hd-1080p-3d-smart-tv-80-with-freeview-hd/p819640. Steve said that he has seen these very large (60. 70. 80 and 90 inches) 2013 Sharp televisions, and they are quite good!

 

[Deleted member 2457]

I put my thoughts on this thread:

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/shows/bristol-show-my-thoughts

Basically, the difference between OLED and 4K for 1080p content as well as SD content was much much closer than I thought. If they had not told me which TV is which, I would've struggled to identify it. 4K pictures on the 4K TV was absolutely glorious. The images just "popped out" with amazing clarity and depth. The fact that you can get a 65-inch 4K TV for the price of a 55-inch 1080p OLED sealed it for me in favour of 4K.

:cheers: I think I am an OLED man from what I've seen.

I think it will be wise to see consumer reports who've owned OLED sets for 12-24 months at least. There are already reports of burn in:

http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/seven-problems-with-current-oled-televisions/

Lifespan of current OLED TVs is also unknown at the moment.

Yep, I am reading the owners thread on AV, but there are always bad reports on there eg Panasonic and all TVs. The pixels concern me, but it's highly unlikely I will buy one this year, but you can get a 5 year warranty from John Lewis and any problems they will sort it.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

!The fact that you can get a 65-inch 4K TV for the price of a 55-inch 1080p OLED sealed it for me in favour of 4K.

Is it just me that thinks once you get over 50ish inches TVs start to look ridiculous/hideous/intrusive/a bit "low rent" (in the average British home).

I personally think you're better off with a PJ at that point.

I put the limit to 65 inches.

Nobody will be surprised that I wade in at this point. No, daveh75, it's probably not just you, but I strongly disagree. I have a 60" LG 60PZ950T plasma TV at the longer end of my 17' by 14' kitchen, and I also have a 64" Samsung PS648000 plasma at the longer end of my 18' by 14' parlour, and neither television looks ridiculous etc. (By the way, what does "low-rent" mean?). In fact, with the LG now having been in my kitchen for about the same time (approaching two years) as its predecessor (a Pioneer LX5090, which is now in the second bedroom) had been in the kitchen, I've been thinking that fine (despite its dodgy black levels) though the post-calibration LG is, it would be finer if it were at least ten inches bigger! I don't dispute that bigboss and others would go for a projector for screen sizes above around 65 inches, as indeed the ace calibrator Steve Withers suggested to me on the phone last week. For me personally (and I stress that I'm comfortable if other people differ) I would prefer a VERY large television rather than a projector. Following the conversation with Steve Withers (prompted by my asking him if it would be worthwhile raiding my pension fund to get one of the last Panasonic 65VT65 televisions to replace my Samsung, and though the Panasonic has better black levels he didn't think that overall that the Pansonic would be a wise move for me) I think my next, reasonably feasible upgrade target would be the 80-inch Sharp LC-80LE657, £4,400 from John Lewis, cheaper elsewhere http://www.johnlewis.com/sharp-lc-80le657-led-hd-1080p-3d-smart-tv-80-with-freeview-hd/p819640. Steve said that he has seen these very large (60. 70. 80 and 90 inches) 2013 Sharp televisions, and they are quite good!

Sharp TVs are good and I have always liked the 60inch models. Costco have the 80inch model and to be honest it does look too big, it will cover a whole wall in a house!

 

[rocketrazor]

I put my thoughts on this thread:

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/shows/bristol-show-my-thoughts

Basically, the difference between OLED and 4K for 1080p content as well as SD content was much much closer than I thought. If they had not told me which TV is which, I would've struggled to identify it. 4K pictures on the 4K TV was absolutely glorious. The images just "popped out" with amazing clarity and depth. The fact that you can get a 65-inch 4K TV for the price of a 55-inch 1080p OLED sealed it for me in favour of 4K.

:cheers: I think I am an OLED man from what I've seen.

I think it will be wise to see consumer reports who've owned OLED sets for 12-24 months at least. There are already reports of burn in:

http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/seven-problems-with-current-oled-televisions/

Lifespan of current OLED TVs is also unknown at the moment.

Yep, I am reading the owners thread on AV, but there are always bad reports on there eg Panasonic and all TVs. The pixels concern me, but it's highly unlikely I will buy one this year, but you can get a 5 year warranty from John Lewis and any problems they will sort it.

im not sure pixel issues are covered under the warranty gel?

 

[Deleted member 2457]

I put my thoughts on this thread:

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/shows/bristol-show-my-thoughts

Basically, the difference between OLED and 4K for 1080p content as well as SD content was much much closer than I thought. If they had not told me which TV is which, I would've struggled to identify it. 4K pictures on the 4K TV was absolutely glorious. The images just "popped out" with amazing clarity and depth. The fact that you can get a 65-inch 4K TV for the price of a 55-inch 1080p OLED sealed it for me in favour of 4K.

:cheers: I think I am an OLED man from what I've seen.

I think it will be wise to see consumer reports who've owned OLED sets for 12-24 months at least. There are already reports of burn in:

http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/seven-problems-with-current-oled-televisions/

Lifespan of current OLED TVs is also unknown at the moment.

Yep, I am reading the owners thread on AV, but there are always bad reports on there eg Panasonic and all TVs. The pixels concern me, but it's highly unlikely I will buy one this year, but you can get a 5 year warranty from John Lewis and any problems they will sort it.

im not sure pixel issues are covered under the warranty gel?

I think it might depend on what the pixel issue is, because you can get dead pixels - I am sure this would get you a replacement, and then lazy pixels, this could depend on how much you can see it or not, whether you could get something done about it. OLED seem to suffer from both.

 

[bigboss]

Received an email from Vincent Teoh today:

Hi

First of all, I would like to personally thank you for submitting your
registration for the HDTVTest.co.uk

 

[tele1962]

Just applied for this event, if it is accepted i hope to see some of you guys there.

 

[Son_of_SJ]

Received an email from Vincent Teoh today:

- Misc. 4K demo videos
- Netflix 4K (House of Cards Season 2)
- Blu-rays (Pacific Rim, The Dark Knight, The Dark Knight Rises, Kill
Bill Vol. 2, Sin City, and maybe more)
- Recorded football broadcast

HDTVTest.co.uk

I can't attend, but I do have two Blu-ray suggestions, and one extra one.

1. Would it be possible to feed all the TVs some Standard Definition stuff. Yes, I know, these TVs are made for better, but there are still many television channels that are broadcast on Standard Definition, especially if one does not have a Sky or Virgin etc package and has to rely on Freeview or Freesat. SD performance is still a useful thing to check.

2. The two Blu-ray suggestions (I think I may have mentioned this before!) would be (most importanly, a) the first three minutes of Blade Runner, the Final Cut. This has the actors' names in white appearing and disappearing against a black background, so it would be a good test of the televisions' black level performance. Then there's a wee bit with shuttlecraft zooming in and out. Also (b) Skyfall, the transition from Bond meeting Q in the art gallery into the night scenes. For good contrast, it's useful to get even just 30 seconds in the gallery before going to the night scenes in Shanghai, not going straight to the night scenes.

 

[Series1boy]

Just applied for this event, if it is accepted i hope to see some of you guys there.

just registered too!

 

[tele1962]

Recieved my invite.

 

[Series1boy]

Just had confirmation too, see you there!!

 

[bigboss]

Received an email from Vincent Teoh today:

- Misc. 4K demo videos
- Netflix 4K (House of Cards Season 2)
- Blu-rays (Pacific Rim, The Dark Knight, The Dark Knight Rises, Kill
Bill Vol. 2, Sin City, and maybe more)
- Recorded football broadcast

HDTVTest.co.uk

I can't attend, but I do have two Blu-ray suggestions, and one extra one.

1. Would it be possible to feed all the TVs some Standard Definition stuff. Yes, I know, these TVs are made for better, but there are still many television channels that are broadcast on Standard Definition, especially if one does not have a Sky or Virgin etc package and has to rely on Freeview or Freesat. SD performance is still a useful thing to check.

2. The two Blu-ray suggestions (I think I may have mentioned this before!) would be (most importanly, a) the first three minutes of Blade Runner, the Final Cut. This has the actors' names in white appearing and disappearing against a black background, so it would be a good test of the televisions' black level performance. Then there's a wee bit with shuttlecraft zooming in and out. Also (b) Skyfall, the transition from Bond meeting Q in the art gallery into the night scenes. For good contrast, it's useful to get even just 30 seconds in the gallery before going to the night scenes in Shanghai, not going straight to the night scenes.

Have emailed Vincent.

 

[bigboss]

See you both there!

 

[simonlewis]

Look forward to the report, don't make it too long though.

 

[bigboss]

Received a response from Vincent to Son_of_SJ's suggestions:

Many thanks for sending those suggestions. There's a lot of material to
cover, and I'm still choosing what clips to demo different aspects of
the TVs, but I'll consider those you've sent in mind. The Skyfall Macao
casino arrival scene is certainly a good one.

See you on Saturday.

Warmest regards
Vincent

 

[Son_of_SJ]

Received a response from Vincent to Son_of_SJ's suggestions:

Many thanks for sending those suggestions. There's a lot of material to
cover, and I'm still choosing what clips to demo different aspects of
the TVs, but I'll consider those you've sent in mind. The Skyfall Macao
casino arrival scene is certainly a good one.

See you on Saturday.

Warmest regards
Vincent

Ah. That's not quite the scene I meant. I wanted the transition from being in the art gallery to the arrival in SHANGHAI, which occurs 41 minutes and 27 seconds from the start of the disc. The Macau casino arrival scene occurs ten minutes later, with 51 minutes 41 seconds elapsed, and I don't think that it's nearly as eye-catching as the start of the Shanghai scene. For the avoidance of doubt, the poor-quality 1.3 MPixel mobile phone picture shows the start of the SHANGHAI scene, helpfully self-captioned in the middle even without the Denon Blu-ray player's optional display information. But, as I keep saying, it's important to get the transition from being in the art gallery with Q to the Shanghai arrival, don't go straight to the Shanghai scene.

And don't forget about the first three minutes of Blade Runner .....

 

[bigboss]

Yes, I copy pasted your request, including Blade Runner one. I'll directly ask him tomorrow.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Looking forward to the feedback. :clap: Can we have some pictures too?

 

[Series1boy]

The ZT blew them all out of the water in every respect. Had to leave early due to other commitments.

will post more info when I get back home later.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

The ZT blew them all out of the water in every respect. Had to leave early due to other commitments.

will post more info when I get back home later.

Even the OLED? :cheers:

 

[Deleted member 2457]

I knew it would beat the rest.

 

[Series1boy]

The OLED looked good and was better than the 4k LED but had issues displaying the blue sky in some of the content, they were too dark and had a tinge of red. I didn't notice that bit until someone with a trained eye pointed it out to me.

the Samsung 4k led curved was the best out of these, but a lot of people thought the sony was better.

its not all about pixels and the Netflix on demo was not on par with 1080p BD.

i came away convinced that the panny was still in front at this point in time. I can't see LED catching up in near future. It's a shame that panasonic stopped Making the plasma in my opinion and many others.

im sure other people who attended will provide a more detailed review

 

[Deleted member 2457]

The OLED looked good and was better than the 4k LED but had issues displaying the blue sky in some of the content, they were too dark and had a tinge of red. I didn't notice that bit until someone with a trained eye pointed it out to me.

the Samsung 4k led curved was the best out of these, but a lot of people thought the sony was better.

its not all about pixels and the Netflix on demo was not on par with 1080p BD.

i came away convinced that the panny was still in front at this point in time. I can't see LED catching up in near future. It's a shame that panasonic stopped Making the plasma in my opinion and many others.

im sure other people who attended will provide a more detailed review

:cheers: That sounds good to me.