The almost forgotten turntable

[bigfish786]

👍 it’s never looked out of place, be it with the Leema, Rega, moon or the Marantz pair I had them with. And it still looks classy with the Luxman I now have.

 

[DougK1]

👍 it’s never looked out of place, be it with the Leema, Rega, moon or the Marantz pair I had them with. And it still looks classy with the Luxman I now have.

Agreed. It is a very attractive turntable, excellent build quality and performance, plus some very clever engineering. I owe you a pint at some stage 🙂

 

[Rui]

The Marantz TT15S1 is getting very little use these days. Since buying a Luxman CD player, I’ve spent almost all my time listening to that.
Today, I thought I’d spin a few records, blow the dust off the turntable and see how things sound.
Happy with the music but the background noise is so much more noticeable after listening exclusively to cd for a good few months.
Strange thing about the record collection, I still seem to buy loads, but barely ever listen to them. Not sure I’m getting the same level of enjoyment from records as I do CDs.
I definitely need to stop buying new records, it’s like an addiction.. but makes no sense.
I played a couple of early Iron Maiden albums first, which didn’t sound all that well recorded. Moved on to Powerslave and that sounds amazing in comparison. (Think this is a remaster)

maybe the cartridge in use is the problem as i have the first iron maiden albums and the ones that sound not that good are powerslave and somewhere in time,

cds sound is not so good and were a remastered edition this because when the volume is higher the worst it sounds , not that good of a separation of channels,

my favorite, the number of the beast, sounds amazing and it´s from the time the album was new, but i noticed when powerslave came out a change in the studio recordings as they tried a diferent production,

that was changed in the studio album after somewhere in time,

is it no prayer for the dying? after seventh son of a seventh son and fear of the dark after i stop hearing it, as i found only two good songs on fear of the dark,

the album name song and the first single, be quik or be dead.

Now i noticed that your marantz turntable isn´t from a time when they had very good turntables,

i can´t even say if it sounds good or bad, maybe you´re right the luxman cd player is maybe a lot better.
Some say pretty but i prefer horrible with perfect sound

 

[Al ears]

maybe the cartridge in use is the problem as i have the first iron maiden albums and the ones that sound not that good are powerslave and somewhere in time, cds sound is awfull and were a remastered edition this because when the volume is higher the worst it sounds , not that good of a separation of channels, my favorite the number of the beast, sounds amazing and it´s from the time the album was new, but i noticed after live after death a change in the studio recordings as they tried a diferent production that was changed in the next studio album after somewhere in time, is it no prayer for the dying?after seventh son of a seventh son and fear of the dark after i stop hearing it, as i found only two good songs on fear of the dark, the album name song and the first single, be quik or be dead. Now i noticed that your marantz turntable isn´t from a time when they had very good turntables i can´t even say if it sounds aceptable maybe you´re right the luxman cd player is maybe a lot better

For your information the Marantz turntable is actually made by Clearaudio and is excellent so your comment about it being from a time when when their turntables were poor is simply nonsense......

 

[Rui]

For your information the Marantz turntable is actually made by Clearaudio and is excellent so your comment about it being from a time when when their turntables were poor is simply nonsense......

i noticed that and corrected it ,as i know it not, thought it were marantz good turntables, plastic isn´t to me a superior quality material or new cartridges and it´s tiny stylus, only the time they become poor and simply nonsense is now, not then

they sound good but a litle high price for a new stylus as they are very litle hours of use ,i have bought already some ,

but as you say "by ClearAudio " i have no knowledge of that brand, from this new vinil readers i only know gold note and Rega, as having them at home, keep using mainly technics turntables from the 70´s ,

the new ones are poor copy´s of 70´s models

tried a lot of other brands of this new turntables and new cartridges only they sound good from a very high price up,

which is sad, and i used to critise plastic turntables in the 80´s ,

Now they seem out of this world if we forget the 70´s and 60´s also brands like Thorens or Technics at least, as there are good Pioneers, Sony, Dual ,Denon´s also Yamaha´s and some others after 1979, ´till late 90´s

 

[Al ears]

i noticed that and corrected it ,as i know it not, thought it were marantz good turntables, plastic isn´t to me a superior quality material or new cartridges and it´s tiny stylus, only the time they become poor and simply nonsense is now, not then

they sound good but a litle high price for a new stylus as they are very litle hours of use ,i have bought already some ,

but as you say "by ClearAudio " i have no knowledge of that brand, from this new vinil readers i only know gold note and Rega, as having them at home, keep using mainly technics turntables from the 70´s ,

the new ones are poor copy´s of 70´s models

tried a lot of other brands of this new turntables and new cartridges only they sound good from a very high price up,

which is sad, and i used to critise plastic turntables in the 80´s ,

Now they seem out of this world if we forget the 70´s and 60´s also brands like Thorens or Technics at least, as there are good Pioneers, Sony, Dual ,Denon´s also Yamaha´s and some others after 1979, ´till late 90´s

Unfortunately none of that makes sense to me but whatever.
Perhaps much is lost in translation.
Usually making generalised and unsubstantiated remarks about a turntable you have no experience with is not a good idea.
Google Clearaudio turntables to get some idea would be my suggestion.

 

[Rui]

Unfortunately none of that makes sense to me but whatever.
Perhaps much is lost in translation.
Usually making generalised and unsubstantiated remarks about a turntable you have no experience with is not a good idea.
Google Clearaudio turntables to get some idea would be my suggestion.

already done it and yes some are good also the cartridges

 

[record_spot]

Just my opinion, but I've always thought that way too much importance is placed on prices - that more expensive always means better.

At the very least, I reckon we're well into diminishing returns being so small as to being virtually irrelevant....something that blind testing would probably confirm.

As £15,000 on a not great Piega and Hifi Rose combo demonstrated at the weekend.

 

[froze]

CD is the lazy format and very convenient but also vey Harsh if that is the right expression ,Vinyl is mush more laid back and softer sounding.I am looking at upgrading my turntable too a Technics .
I find some sound better on CD & others on Vinyl !

If it makes you happy then turn it up 👍

Technics doesn't make bad turntables, without knowing what you'll be spending but the NAD C588 is a specular turntable for the money, you would have to spend $5000 more to maybe hear a difference. The specs on the wow and flutter is only 0.01, which is extremely low, considering you can get a Rega Planar 8 and get 0.09%! The Rega is a $4,000 turntable and the NAD is just under $1,000. Now you do get a better cartridge on the Rega, but a better cartridge doesn't cost $3,000! You can get great carts for between $250 to $500.

Those wow and flutter values were from an independent testing lab.

Now if that NAD is a bit higher in price than what you wanted to spend then take a look at the Fluance RT85, this is a very highly reviewed turntable that doesn't get any better than that till you get to the NAD. But the internal components of the NAD will be superior to the Fluance who sources their stuff from Taiwan, but it does seem to be pretty decent. Probably any turntable under $500 will have the guts made in Taiwan. Even the Technics SL1500c is made in Malaysia. The NAD is spec'd using a Pro-ject motor made in Austria which are known to make the highest quality turntable motors in the world.

Even a $1,200 Technics SL1500C uses lightweight aluminum platter and AL S shaped tone arm, the NAD is using a heavy weight floating glass platter and a straight carbon fiber tone arm, both of which are known to sound better than their AL counterparts; the Fluance RT85 uses an acrylic platter and a AL S shaped tone arm. Both the Fluance RT85, NAD 588, and the Technics SL1500c use the Ortofon 2M Red cart.

 

[Al ears]

Technics doesn't make bad turntables, without knowing what you'll be spending but the NAD C588 is a specular turntable for the money, you would have to spend $5000 more to maybe hear a difference. The specs on the wow and flutter is only 0.01, which is extremely low, considering you can get a Rega Planar 8 and get 0.09%! The Rega is a $4,000 turntable and the NAD is just under $1,000. Now you do get a better cartridge on the Rega, but a better cartridge doesn't cost $3,000! You can get great carts for between $250 to $500.

Those wow and flutter values were from an independent testing lab.

Now if that NAD is a bit higher in price than what you wanted to spend then take a look at the Fluance RT85, this is a very highly reviewed turntable that doesn't get any better than that till you get to the NAD. But the internal components of the NAD will be superior to the Fluance who sources their stuff from Taiwan, but it does seem to be pretty decent. Probably any turntable under $500 will have the guts made in Taiwan. Even the Technics SL1500c is made in Malaysia. The NAD is spec'd using a Pro-ject motor made in Austria which are known to make the highest quality turntable motors in the world.

Even a $1,200 Technics SL1500C uses lightweight aluminum platter and AL S shaped tone arm, the NAD is using a heavy weight floating glass platter and a straight carbon fiber tone arm, both of which are known to sound better than their AL counterparts; the Fluance RT85 uses an acrylic platter and a AL S shaped tone arm. Both the Fluance RT85, NAD 588, and the Technics SL1500c use the Ortofon 2M Red cart.

It is true there are many other excellent turntables out there apart from those from the more well known manufacturers.
Fluance, being Canadian, are not very common in the UK and I don't recall ever seeing the NAD in dealerships, excellent though it may be.
It's a pity they all tend to mount the Ortofon 2M Red though.