Squeezebox Touch & NAS Drive Help Please!!!!

[nads]

Runng a Netgear Nas which come with SBserver installed (it will need updateing with the use of a PC).

No DAC needed with a Touch (or at least a DacMagic makes no difference).

Be Aware not all NAS are as quite as you would like. some make more noise on different items.

and iPeng as a controller for the iPhone(iPad) rocks.

 

[Anonymous]

Here's a link to the guide that I will follow, seems fairly straight forward so fingers crossed

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=62842

This is a guide specific to the Buffalo Linksation live/pro, my 2TB device was only £105 from Dabs and is small and fairly quiet. I will be looking to move it into the hall since you can still hear it when hidden behind the hifi, mainly fan noise I think. The other NAS devices that officially support the SBS were quite a bit more expensive.

 

[Mr. Iceman]

Dr Lodge,

DO NOT use the guide as posted in your previous. That was probably useful back in 2009 when SB server was not yet officially released by Buffalo. For LS-WXL (the NAS I have), the latest firmware is 1.54, issued on August 11 this year and I can confirm it contains Squeezebox Server as well as iTunes server. The 250 MB firmware update is available from Buffalo Support Downloads:

http://www.buffalo-technology.com/support/downloads/

Just follow the instructions in the Release Note and that should do it. Do have patience though as it may take time but do not interrupt the update.

Also, my DTCP-IP version is 1.40-20110204. This is located right below the firmware version under System Information for your Buffalo NAS.

Good luck and keep us posted.

 

[Gareth82]

Thanks for the info guys, good luck and let me know how it goes.

 

[Anonymous]

Mr Iceman - thanks for the info. I thought SBS was in the latest firmware release too, however I installed v1.54 (I think) and couldn't see SBS anywhere, just the iTunes server and also DLNA. Where is the squeezebox server config (to turn it on/off) in the web interface?

 

[Mr. Iceman]

It is under Extensions / Media Server / Squeezebox server tab. SBS tab is the 3rd one down - DLNA is first, followed by iTunes, then SBS. You need to click on the red bar or on the little down-pointing arrow on the far right to expand the tab, this will show the SBS status and give you 4 more option tabs to choose from:

- Modify Settings

- Restart SBS

- Open SBS settings

- Delete Squeezebox Cache

Opening Modify Settings gives you option to enable/disable SBS.

Which NAS version do you have? Above works for my LS-WXL...

I have DLNA and DTCP-IP enabled and the latter updated to the latest version, though I am not sure this has relevance to SBS status. Which firmware and DTCP-IP version is showing under your System Info, top left?

Also ensure that DHCP is enabled.

 

[nopiano]

Reading the last half-a-dozen exchanges reminded me why I'm still unsure about going the network route, and why those who sell ready-made solutions like Olive and Naim must be doing well! They obviously seem pricey on a £ per gigabyte basis, but not if your time is worth anything! So much for PnP....

Best of luck to y'all!

 

[Anonymous]

Can't see the SBS Server on my NAS, this is the versioning I have:

Name: LS-CHL420

Firmware version: 1.54

IP Address1: 192.168.1.66

Workgroup: WORKGROUP

Storage: Disk 1: 0.0 GB / 1848.4 GB (0.0 %)

Can't see anything saying DTCP-IP either, any other ideas or clues?

 

[Mr. Iceman]

Reading the last half-a-dozen exchanges reminded me why I'm still unsure about going the network route, and why those who sell ready-made solutions like Olive and Naim must be doing well! They obviously seem pricey on a £ per gigabyte basis, but not if your time is worth anything! So much for PnP....

Best of luck to y'all!

Yeah, I know exactly what you mean Nopiano! I guess I was lucky as whatever I did just seemed to work, pretty much the first time. My 'original' network - M-CR603+NAS still works wonderfully and there was absolutely no hassle setting that up. Setting up Squeezebox Server on Buffalo NAS involved minimum fuss but that too works very well indeed. And my PS3 happily picks up everything from NAS! :dance:

It all adds to the experience and proud to say I can still hold my own when discussing home networks with my teenage son!

But this whole thread shows that as general public is concerned, we are still far from being able to integrate easily whatever different systems exist and enjoy proper PnP etc... Which is why forums and threads like this one will no doubt help raise awareness.

 

[Mr. Iceman]

Dr Lodge, try reinstalling with your antivirus an firewall off. Sorry I can't be of more help but mine just worked the first time and I simply cannot recall every step I took. Perhaps you can ask Buffalo support for help?

Good luck!

 

[Anonymous]

Tried to reinstall the v1.54 firmware to my NAS server, but it wont play ball, as the setup doesn't find a NAS server that requires updating. Therefore I assume the firmware is properly installed and there is no SBS server on it |(

Guess I'm gonna have to revert to the instructions I posted a link to earlier, but will see if I can get through to their support folks.

 

[Anonymous]

Done some reading up and have an update.

I figured the NAS I have doesn't officially support SBS, its a fairly light weight, lower powered designed compared to the LS-WXL which Mr Iceman has. Looking at the officially supported NAS devices such as the Netgear ReadyNas, they are more powerful, large devices better suited to running the SBS. So figure I have the following options:

- try and install the SBS on my NAS using the instructions I pointed to. This should work but (a) my NAS is not that powerful so performance may be slow and (b) the latest version of the SBS software is not supported. Also (c) it may not work and I could end up bricking my NAS

- I could use the existing external harddrive (Seagate 750Gb) plugged into the rear of the SB Touch. However many people seem to have problems using external drives, the Touch is very fussy about which drives it will work with, doesn't like non-music files, takes ages to scan the drive, doesn't work too well with Album art etc.

- Purchase another, more expensive but supported NAS which will support the SBS. Expensive and I don't need a 2nd NAS.

- use one of my old PCs (of which I have many ranging from a 486/66Mhz to Pentium II/AMD systems), install Debian Linux that I am familiar with, then download and install the Debian SBS package.

- use my laptop as the SBS.

I'm quite tempted to have a play with an old PC running debian, downside is that I wont want to leave it on full time and will need to find somewhere to put it (hallway, kitchen may be) and use Denovo like plug to get a wired network connection to it (more expense)

Ho Hum, and I thought this would be easy, may be should have bought the SONOS which will work with DLNA!

 

[The_Lhc]

Reading the last half-a-dozen exchanges reminded me why I'm still unsure about going the network route,

This is exactly why I bought Sonos, you don't need to worry about any of that nonsense, just buy a NAS, plug it in and off you go (pretty much).

 

[Fisherking 145]

It was very easy for me to set my Touch up with my HP Data Vault. It also automatically downloads the latest versions of SBS as they are released. It obviously all depends on the NAS drive people decide to use. My advice to the OP is to go for it, it's changed my listening habits.

 

[Anonymous]

HP StorageWorks Data Vault 1TB is about £500, compared to my 2TB LinkStation live which was £105!!! I dont mind tinkering with linux and can try to get SBS going on my NAS without any real risk as its just software - doesn't change the firmware so shouldn't be possible to brick it.

 

[Crocodile]

So figure I have the following options:

Have a look the free Vortexbox software. It's a complete Linux/SBS build that also acts as a ripper:

www.vortexbox.org/downloads

You'll have to check system requirements though as PII may be stretching things a bit! :?

 

[Mr. Iceman]

HP StorageWorks Data Vault 1TB is about £500, compared to my 2TB LinkStation live which was £105!!! I dont mind tinkering with linux and can try to get SBS going on my NAS without any real risk as its just software - doesn't change the firmware so shouldn't be possible to brick it.

I was truly hoping you wouldn't have to do that - 'tinker' with Linux that is, but it is a viable option and you do seem fairly confident about it so why not? I would say it is still quite possible to brick it, as all those warnings and disclaimers preceding the instructions indicate. And if Buffalo did not make SBS integral part of your NAS' firmware there must be a reason for it - could it be that it just won't work or won't work well?

Or, sell/exchange the NAS you have and get one that easily supports SBS fora little more money?

Either way do let us know what you decided.

 

[Mr. Iceman]

Reading the last half-a-dozen exchanges reminded me why I'm still unsure about going the network route,

This is exactly why I bought Sonos, you don't need to worry about any of that nonsense, just buy a NAS, plug it in and off you go (pretty much).

Unfortunately not every NAS will work with Sonos and some degree of compatibility check is required.

The following link points to some of 'that nonsense' that exists with a significant number and variety of NASs: https://sonos.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/sonos.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=42

Even Dr Lodge's NAS is on the list.

Once again, I had no issues setting up my Buffalo NAS on the network with several different devices - 3 pcs, 2 PS3s, XBox, Marantz M-CR603 and Squeezebox Touch. As I explained earlier, only installing Squeezebox Server on the NAS did require some effort as it required firmware update.

Oh, and my iPod Touch remote control app for SBS works as well.

 

[nopiano]

Reading the last half-a-dozen exchanges reminded me why I'm still unsure about going the network route,

This is exactly why I bought Sonos, you don't need to worry about any of that nonsense, just buy a NAS, plug it in and off you go (pretty much).

Very wise, I suspect. Being a specialist in the field really seems to shine through their entire range. Good for them!

 

[The_Lhc]

Reading the last half-a-dozen exchanges reminded me why I'm still unsure about going the network route,

This is exactly why I bought Sonos, you don't need to worry about any of that nonsense, just buy a NAS, plug it in and off you go (pretty much).

Unfortunately not every NAS will work with Sonos and some degree of compatibility check is required.

This is true but the number that don't work is triflingly small compared to what's available on the market. All that's required is a proper implementation of SMB (which is why Apple's OSX Lion didn't work initially), which is what the vast majority of NAS's provide.

The following link points to some of 'that nonsense' that exists with a significant number and variety of NASs: https://sonos.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/sonos.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=42

Sorry but that's not a significant number at all.

Even Dr Lodge's NAS is on the list.

Yes but only with a very early version of the firmware, which he is well past, so it should work fine.

 

[Anonymous]

Well ****** me sideways and slap my face with a wet kipper....

There I was playing with the NAS and decided to have a go following those instructions I posted. I got as far as trying to telnet into the NAS and it just wouldnt play ball. Some googling revealed the later NAS versions don't work according to the script |(

So I googled the telnet issue and I came across a solution that required installing a "v1.54-MOD1" firmware version, clearly a version of my current firmware that had been hacked about a little. Thinking I accept the risk of bricking the NAS, I installed it and all seemed to go fine. Once it had rebooted, I took a look in the media/extensions tab and what do I see...Squeezebox Server settings!!! Yes, its there, just like I was wanting :dance:

I dont have any music files on the NAS yet, but the Touch can see the server and scans the NAS (finding no files). So I'm hoping this is the end of it! Will report back when I have copied the music over, which are WMA lossless files (not 100% sure if the Touch works with these), but I also have had those converted to FLAC so can play with each :cheers:

Mod1 release here

http://forum.buffalo.nas-central.org/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=23603

Firmware version friggin if you need it here to get the firmware installed

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46005&page=17

 

[Mr. Iceman]

Brilliant find, Dr Lodge, glad it's worked out. Now all you need is to fill that NAS with some music and enjoy... :cheers:

 

[Mr. Iceman]

Reading the last half-a-dozen exchanges reminded me why I'm still unsure about going the network route,

This is exactly why I bought Sonos, you don't need to worry about any of that nonsense, just buy a NAS, plug it in and off you go (pretty much).

Unfortunately not every NAS will work with Sonos and some degree of compatibility check is required.

This is true but the number that don't work is triflingly small compared to what's available on the market. All that's required is a proper implementation of SMB (which is why Apple's OSX Lion didn't work initially), which is what the vast majority of NAS's provide.

The following link points to some of 'that nonsense' that exists with a significant number and variety of NASs: https://sonos.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/sonos.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=42

Sorry but that's not a significant number at all.

Even Dr Lodge's NAS is on the list.

Yes but only with a very early version of the firmware, which he is well past, so it should work fine.

Not wishing to engage in discussion about what constitues a 'significant' number, I had to point out that not all Network Attached Storage devices will work with Sonos straight out of the box, as you implied in one of your previous posts, and I believe I read that correctly. Just as not any NAS will work with Squeezebox Touch or another streamer/server, and consumers should be careful about what they choose. Sonos is better that Squeezebox Touch in some ways, and in some ways it is not, simple as that.

What is important is that Dr Lodge has sorted out his NAS' problem and is now one step closer to fulfilling his goal which is the whole point of threads like this.

This is my last post in this thread. Enjoy music!

 

[The_Lhc]

Reading the last half-a-dozen exchanges reminded me why I'm still unsure about going the network route,

This is exactly why I bought Sonos, you don't need to worry about any of that nonsense, just buy a NAS, plug it in and off you go (pretty much).

Unfortunately not every NAS will work with Sonos and some degree of compatibility check is required.

This is true but the number that don't work is triflingly small compared to what's available on the market. All that's required is a proper implementation of SMB (which is why Apple's OSX Lion didn't work initially), which is what the vast majority of NAS's provide.

The following link points to some of 'that nonsense' that exists with a significant number and variety of NASs: https://sonos.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/sonos.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=42

Sorry but that's not a significant number at all.

Even Dr Lodge's NAS is on the list.

Yes but only with a very early version of the firmware, which he is well past, so it should work fine.

Not wishing to engage in discussion about what constitues a 'significant' number,

The incompatible devices in the list constitute a very small percentage of those that are available on the market. Hence they're not signficant.

I had to point out that not all Network Attached Storage devices will work with Sonos straight out of the box, as you implied in one of your previous posts, and I believe I read that correctly. Just as not any NAS will work with Squeezebox Touch or another streamer/server, and consumers should be careful about what they choose.

There's a massive difference between the two though. Sonos will work with any NAS that correctly implements a basic, standard network protocol (SMB). Arguably any device that doesn't implement that properly has no right to call itself a NAS (and indeed Sonos point out a couple of devices in the incompatibility matrix that are not actually true NAS's at all). That's completely different from Squeezebox that requires proprietry software to be installed on the device before it will work.

You'd need to research which NAS devices will work with Squeezebox, by contrast you could buy any proper NAS (certainly any of the common, "big name" devices available from places like PC World) and be 99% confident it will work with Sonos.

 

[Anonymous]

I don't own a NAS as my iMac has enough disc space for my needs. For info to those put off by the potential complexity of streaming, I bought a Sqeezebox touch yesterday having read the review in another HiFi mag. 5 mins. to install and connect to my pre amp, then log onto my network and create an account. It immediately downloaded a firmware update automatically, meanwhile server software installed onto iMac from mysqeezebox.com and free iPhone app downloaded from iTunes. 10 mins after opening the box, was listening to my favourite Classic rock station, the Eagle 96.9 from Sacremento and then checked out a few ripped Cds in both Lossless and standard. The only chore now will be re-ripping more Cds in Lossless. Initial impressions are that this is a superb product, available for less than £200, that sounds much, much better than streaming same radio station via iTunes/ apple TV/ AX5Ai's DACs. Excellent app similar to airplay remote. Until Hi Def streaming is available from the iCloud and more products adopt to the new tech, this will keep me very happy.