My speakers are about 7 feet apart and are well away from a back wall. I find that these spendors A6's sound better without the toe in. At least in this particular room, dead straight ahead sounds better with a more realistic image. This is somewhat contrary to common advice, and probably specific to my room acoustics. Anybody else find straight ahead works better with their speakers?
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jaxwired:My speakers are about 7 feet apart and are well away from a back wall. I find that these spendors A6's sound better without the toe in. At least in this particular room, dead straight ahead sounds better with a more realistic image. This is somewhat contrary to common advice, and probably specific to my room acoustics. Anybody else find straight ahead works better with their speakers?
I have spent hours experimenting with my rega R3's toe in and straight and came to the clear conclusion that straight sounded much better with pretty much all types of music. Think it certainyl depends on the speakers themselves, and probably room acoustics.
I have spent hours experimenting with my rega R3's toe in and straight and came to the clear conclusion that straight sounded much better with pretty much all types of music. Think it certainyl depends on the speakers themselves, and probably room acoustics.
Yep, I would say it also depends on the room, as well as personal taste. I have the A6s, as you know, and I like them a little toe'd in. I can see a little of the inside edge of the speaker from my listening position, so I would estimate that they are 'aiming' about 1 to 2 metres behind me (with a listening postion ~3.5 metres from the speakers.)
I find that if they're too toe'd in it reduces the stereo imaging a bit, but that may just be me.
I find that if they're too toe'd in it reduces the stereo imaging a bit, but that may just be me.
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I believe the recommendation is for no toe in, which is certainly what we've found in our dem rooms. Of course, a little toe in, if it helps, won't hurt.
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My 782's are REALLY fussy with positioning. a fraction too little angle and there is a wide sound stage but vocals & instruments are not correctly placed. Toe them in a little further and the sound stage is really narrow. To get it right is a really fine balance, but worth it once it's there.
My 685s are toed in a little bit, spent days fiddling with the positioning, and I find this is best. I don't understand how people have them both facing directly at the listening postion, it sounds awful, but that's how they always put them in the dem room at my local dealers (and when they walk off I move em) 😉
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Yep, I would say it also depends on the room, as well as personal taste. I have the A6s, as you know, and I like them a little toe'd in. I can see a little of the inside edge of the speaker from my listening position, so I would estimate that they are 'aiming' about 1 to 2 metres behind me (with a listening postion ~3.5 metres from the speakers.)
I find that if they're too toe'd in it reduces the stereo imaging a bit, but that may just be me.
Same for me and my SA1s. Given my room and placement a little toe-in helps with the sound but also gives me the best imaging. Whenever I've auditioned speakers at dealers I always found them to be far too widely spaced, straight out. It has never worked for me and a quick tweak has always brought things back on track.
Yep, I would say it also depends on the room, as well as personal taste. I have the A6s, as you know, and I like them a little toe'd in. I can see a little of the inside edge of the speaker from my listening position, so I would estimate that they are 'aiming' about 1 to 2 metres behind me (with a listening postion ~3.5 metres from the speakers.)
I find that if they're too toe'd in it reduces the stereo imaging a bit, but that may just be me.
Same for me and my SA1s. Given my room and placement a little toe-in helps with the sound but also gives me the best imaging. Whenever I've auditioned speakers at dealers I always found them to be far too widely spaced, straight out. It has never worked for me and a quick tweak has always brought things back on track.
Toed in, quite significantly, but there is only a sweet spot for one.
Great speakers but a proac ref 8 owner has to be selfish!ÿ
Great speakers but a proac ref 8 owner has to be selfish!ÿ
I have to have my 685's toed in quite a lot, so that they are facing a fraction away from each side of my head, in the listening position.
This creates a fantstic sweet spot and the bass is something else! For some strange reason, if I have them facing straight or just slightly toed in, the smooth B&W bass almost completely disappears.
Must be my room.
This creates a fantstic sweet spot and the bass is something else! For some strange reason, if I have them facing straight or just slightly toed in, the smooth B&W bass almost completely disappears.
Must be my room.
My B&W 805s toed in pointing directly at me, about 9 ft apart and 12 ft from me. Advice from B&W was to toe them in. Think i could have them out a little more than they are but they would need to be a little closet to each other, have not experimented a lot, sounds great where I sit.
I would just like to share my experience playing with my set up last night.
After listening to music on my newish Denon AVR-2310 in surround for the past week or so, I decided to start listening to the pure direct mode.
As much fun as listening to music in surround is, I notice the difference in tonality of instruments on virtually every song. I put on Norah Jones and heard the double bass on Don't Know Why the way it should be for the first time in weeks.
Then I actually broke out some meassuring tape and meassured the distance between the front speakers and then distance from my listening position to the speakers.
I adjust the speaker distance and already an improvement!
I then started to angle the speakers in towards me and even had my wife help on a couple of occasions.
WHAT AN IMPROVEMENT!!!
The revelation was U2's I Still haven't found...
The opening guitar picking was flying around as if i was listening to a surround system and Bono's voice seemed to becoming out of the wall in between the speakers. An accoustic guitar I barely noticed before seemed to becoming out of the centre speakers - only it wasn't (of course) as I was using the pure direct mode, so only the fron speakers were working.
Stereo - what a discovery!
The bass drum was somewhere inbetween the right speaker and the centre and i could almost imagine the drummer infront of me.
Wonderful wonderful stuff! After several hours of listening list night and this morning with Norah Jones, John Mayer, Dave Matthews Band, Bad Co, Mother Earth and others... I can almost not listen to music on my Denon in any other mode anymore.
Don't get me wrong, the Audyssey mode in Bypass L/R EQ is still fun and i feel like I'm swimming in sound, but now that my speakers are at the right distance and toed in, I get almost the same effect, but with much more accurate tonality of the instruments and much, much better (not sure if it's the correct term) stereo imaging.
I'm a very happy boy today....
After listening to music on my newish Denon AVR-2310 in surround for the past week or so, I decided to start listening to the pure direct mode.
As much fun as listening to music in surround is, I notice the difference in tonality of instruments on virtually every song. I put on Norah Jones and heard the double bass on Don't Know Why the way it should be for the first time in weeks.
Then I actually broke out some meassuring tape and meassured the distance between the front speakers and then distance from my listening position to the speakers.
I adjust the speaker distance and already an improvement!
I then started to angle the speakers in towards me and even had my wife help on a couple of occasions.
WHAT AN IMPROVEMENT!!!
The revelation was U2's I Still haven't found...
The opening guitar picking was flying around as if i was listening to a surround system and Bono's voice seemed to becoming out of the wall in between the speakers. An accoustic guitar I barely noticed before seemed to becoming out of the centre speakers - only it wasn't (of course) as I was using the pure direct mode, so only the fron speakers were working.
Stereo - what a discovery!
The bass drum was somewhere inbetween the right speaker and the centre and i could almost imagine the drummer infront of me.
Wonderful wonderful stuff! After several hours of listening list night and this morning with Norah Jones, John Mayer, Dave Matthews Band, Bad Co, Mother Earth and others... I can almost not listen to music on my Denon in any other mode anymore.
Don't get me wrong, the Audyssey mode in Bypass L/R EQ is still fun and i feel like I'm swimming in sound, but now that my speakers are at the right distance and toed in, I get almost the same effect, but with much more accurate tonality of the instruments and much, much better (not sure if it's the correct term) stereo imaging.
I'm a very happy boy today....
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