Soundstage challenge

[grimharry]

Like I said earlier not best set up and maybe trying too hard to place plus it doesn't sound to me constant but either way seems we are getting some placement

 

[grimharry]

52 next week and this is the first time I've ever played dire straits

 

[insider9]

52 next week and this is the first time I've ever played dire straits

Happy Birthday!!!

Try some Steely Dan while you're at it

 

[grimharry]

Just for you I will. I vaguely remember liking something by them when I was a schoolboy

 

[insider9]

Just for you I will. I vaguely remember  liking something by them when I was a schoolboy

Some find it too anal but for purposes of this thread it's only right to mention them.

 

[Gaz37]

You've been living in a cultural void lol

 

[Gaz37]

Ok, I've got.

Synths in intro in line with speakers. Vocals in background and slightly higher than the rest with the guitar picked in front of it though lower.

When toms come in on both sides they're most forward of all instruments. Snare drum is central and back. These give a rather nice contour to soundstage. Main guitar riff is in left channel quite forward but behind were the toms were. Reverb from the guitar is stretching through the centre all the way to the right. Bass is behind the guitar and lower than both the guitar and vocals. Backing vocals are furthest into the mix off centre to the right. Main vocal is the highest and bass drum the lowest with bass guitar nicely filling in above that.

What did you get Gaz?

I can't say I can accurately place anything, as soon as I think I've got something pinpointed it appears somewhere else.

 

[Infiniteloop]

52 next week and this is the first time I've ever played dire straits

Happy Birthday!!!

Try some Steely Dan while you're at it

Oh, and some Donald Fagan's 'Nightfly' and Joan Armatrading too!

 

[grimharry]

Nothing wrong with abit of me myself i

 

[Electro]

Try a bit of Gaucho *good*

A fantastic album with a top notch dynamic recording quality !

And plenty of 3Dness *yes3*

https://open.spotify.com/album/5OtaRmEFDEDWIwxpqOgf03

 

[Vladimir]

Download this flac.

 

[Vladimir]

I do wish that equipment reviews would present the sort of information given above. Knowing the frequency response and square wave reproduction does tell you something very useful albeit not the complete picture e.g. is there an enhanced bass, and high resolution, or a sudden treble drop off and a muddiness. So much of this audio world is flim flam, and smoke and mirrors with claims and counter claims rife.

This is how UK hifi reviews were done back in the 70's. Download PDF scans from my Google Drive* You can see the graphs are included, no subjective reviewer talk at all.

*Courtesy of Hyperion, member at Audiokarma.

Crumbs, that takes me back, Vlad. I had all those HiFi Choice books, when they reviewed a huge number of products and published about quarterly. Martin Colloms did many reviews. The square wave performance was one highlight of the Harman/kardon amps I used to favour, and owned. It shows a lot, if you use the 10kHz you showed and, say, 40Hz. Most Bristish amp were very weedy!

BTW

Download this Marantz brochure from 1975 and tell me how many classical instruments, beautiful living spaces, concert halls and hot female models in Peter Dinklage sized dresses are in it.

How times are changing...

 

[Electro]

Download this flac.

I know where it isn't . *secret*

 

[nopiano]

I do wish that equipment reviews would present the sort of information given above. Knowing the frequency response and square wave reproduction does tell you something very useful albeit not the complete picture e.g. is there an enhanced bass, and high resolution, or a sudden treble drop off and a muddiness. So much of this audio world is flim flam, and smoke and mirrors with claims and counter claims rife.

This is how UK hifi reviews were done back in the 70's. Download PDF scans from my Google Drive* You can see the graphs are included, no subjective reviewer talk at all.

*Courtesy of Hyperion, member at Audiokarma.

Crumbs, that takes me back, Vlad. I had all those HiFi Choice books, when they reviewed a huge number of products and published about quarterly. Martin Colloms did many reviews. The square wave performance was one highlight of the Harman/kardon amps I used to favour, and owned. It shows a lot, if you use the 10kHz you showed and, say, 40Hz. Most Bristish amp were very weedy!

BTW

Download this Marantz brochure from 1975 and tell me how many classical instruments, beautiful living spaces, concert halls and hot female models in Peter Dinklage sized dresses are in it.

How times are changing...

That really does show up today's marketing. That was the stuff I grew up on, so still expect some decent specs and engineering.

 

[Infiniteloop]

Try a bit of Gaucho *good*

A fantastic album with a top notch dynamic recording quality !

And plenty of 3Dness *yes3*

https://open.spotify.com/album/5OtaRmEFDEDWIwxpqOgf03

'Two against nature' is a later album, but sounds fabulous too!

 

[Infiniteloop]

Nothing wrong with abit of me myself i

Zackly. Beautifully recorded too. 'The weakness in me' still has the power to bring a lump to my throat after all these years.

 

[Al ears]

Nothing wrong with abit of me myself i

Zackly. Beautifully recorded too. 'The weakness in me' still has the power to bring a lump to my throat after all these years.

Soppy (over 50 year old) sod.....

 

[Infiniteloop]

Nothing wrong with abit of me myself i

Zackly. Beautifully recorded too. 'The weakness in me' still has the power to bring a lump to my throat after all these years.

Soppy (over 50 year old) sod.....

Yup!

 

[Vladimir]

This cut from a 1960 Packard Bell stereo demonstration record clearly demonstrates what true stereo sounds like, something very few people alive have every really heard! Enjoy this Steve Allen narrated stereo experience!

Listen

 

[Al ears]

Nothing wrong with abit of me myself i

Zackly. Beautifully recorded too. 'The weakness in me' still has the power to bring a lump to my throat after all these years.

Soppy (over 50 year old) sod.....

Yup!

Enjoy... they can't touch you for it ;-)

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Inspired by commennts in another thread I'm carrying out an experiment on perception of 3D soundstage.

I'd like everbody to listen to Money for Nothing by Dire Straits and post where they perceive the position of the bass guitar in relation to the other instruments. For example- to the left of and in front of the drummer.

Lets do it.........

the bass guitar is coming from my left speaker just above the drums then lead guitar right speaker

 

[Gazzip]

Inspired by commennts in another thread I'm carrying out an experiment on perception of 3D soundstage.

I'd like everbody to listen to Money for Nothing by Dire Straits and post where they perceive the position of the bass guitar in relation to the other instruments. For example- to the left of and in front of the drummer.

Lets do it.........

the bass guitar is coming from my left speaker just above the drums then lead guitar right speaker

Just an observation BS, but surely none of the sound should be perceivable as coming from either speaker if you have created a soundstage?

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Inspired by commennts in another thread I'm carrying out an experiment on perception of 3D soundstage.

I'd like everbody to listen to Money for Nothing by Dire Straits and post where they perceive the position of the bass guitar in relation to the other instruments. For example- to the left of and in front of the drummer.

Lets do it.........

the bass guitar is coming from my left speaker just above the drums then lead guitar right speaker

Just an observation BS, but surely none of the sound should be perceivable as coming from either speaker if you have created a soundstage?

the question was were can you hear the bass guitar on the song money for nothing I've just give a answer *smile* yes you get sound from both speakers but normally you can tell where instruments are placed in a song well I can anyway .

i think it's how well your speakers can project sound in a sound field as your speakers can trick your brain to think the band is spread out were your speakers are that's the best way I can explain it

 

[Gazzip]

Inspired by commennts in another thread I'm carrying out an experiment on perception of 3D soundstage.

I'd like everbody to listen to Money for Nothing by Dire Straits and post where they perceive the position of the bass guitar in relation to the other instruments. For example- to the left of and in front of the drummer.

Lets do it.........

the bass guitar is coming from my left speaker just above the drums then lead guitar right speaker

Just an observation BS, but surely none of the sound should be perceivable as coming from either speaker if you have created a soundstage?

the question was were can you hear the bass guitar on the song money for nothing I've just give a answer *smile* yes you get sound from both speakers but normally you can tell where instruments are placed in a song well I can anyway .

i think it's how well your speakers can project sound in a sound field as your speakers can trick your brain to think the band is spread out were your speakers are that's the best way I can explain it

Stereophonic sound...d...d...dance music. I get stereo, just not hearing it come from my speakers. Sorry, ignore me.

 

[Barbapapa]

Money for nothing:

Starting from 2:00: Bass seems to be in the middle, possibly slightly to the left. The distorted guitar is clearly to the left (later on it seems to come from both speakers). Strangely it seems as if the bass is placed lower than the drums, which appear slightly more to the back. This may easily be an illusion, though. The vocals make it harder to distinguish the accompanying instruments. The drums also sound from different places (depending on the drum?).