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plastic penguin

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Just dug out my Simon & Garfunkel box set. On Bridge over Troubled Waters album certain tracks display elements of sibilance, whereas when I compared the original 1970 vinyl, that had no 'ssss' on the same tracks. But this CD box set sounds horribly compressed.

If I get time later I'll try and bring down the RS6s

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podknocker

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Vinyl will flatter the recording, because the resolution is lower than that of a CD. A CD will expose the limitations of the source tape, due to the higher resolution. This guidance used to be on all CD booklets. It's not a CDs fault, it's the recording. Old recordings on CD sound dreadful. New recordings on vinyl sound dreadful. If you have state of the art recording kit and put this music on a CD, or newer formats, it will sound glorious. I had the Elvis greatest hits album on CD, many tracks in mono and the sound quality was appalling. The CD went in the bin. Having scratchy mono recordings, from the 50s and 60s, on CD, really exposed the shocking quality of the equipment used back in the day. Remastering can only do so much. CD does sound worse, if you start with poor quality recordings.
 
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plastic penguin

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Having now tried RS6 on a crummy recording with a surprising outcome (in some respects).

The same tracks from the same 2 CDs, no sibilance. They sound more mechanical but, it seems, metal domed tweeters are better suited to remastered rubbish.

Nowhere near as 3D as the Dalis. Hey-ho.
 
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WayneKerr

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Having now tried RS6 on a crummy recording with a surprising outcome (in some respects).

The same tracks from the same 2 CDs, no sibilance. They sound more mechanical but, it seems, metal domed tweeters are better suited to remastered rubbish.

Nowhere near as 3D as the Dalis. Hey-ho.
Interesting. My P3's have metal dome tweeters but I also have a pair of MA BX5's... might give them a try.
 

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Yes, sssss, but that's normal, and in the wrong system or recording where it actually hurts the ear, and is offensive, is when I use the adjective 'sibilant'.

Sibilance is when a system or recording renders 'ssss' or similar unlistenable. And I've experienced it. There can be sibilance is a system which is described as having a 'dark' sound too, simply because it does not handle high frequencies well.

When I said I isolated my CD player as being sibilant I meant that 100%, because within the same system where nothing else changed, I had 3 other disc players too. One of which was a Pioneer with a then trending 24/192khz DAC. It was bright, but did not offend me like the NAD did.

At dealers, I noticed cheaper/budget Cambridge Audio CD players were not great in this regard as well.
The loudness war, bad volume, input (sensitivity) from a cd player with to much voltage,gain going into something that can't handle it ?

View: https://youtu.be/JhuWuTDZiuI?t=1240
 
Just had the chance to listen to this on headphones, both the tracks you mention are definitely a ssss-fest
I gave this a listen today - first time on this setup. IT's more refined than I've heard it before, but still a pretty tough listen in places. The other instruments are all well-recorded, so I'm sticking with my previous conclusions - it's badly mixed/layered etc. I'm guessing that most (though not all) who bought it were unlikely to be heavily into their hifis!
 

WayneKerr

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I gave this a listen today - first time on this setup. IT's more refined than I've heard it before, but still a pretty tough listen in places. The other instruments are all well-recorded, so I'm sticking with my previous conclusions - it's badly mixed/layered etc. I'm guessing that most (though not all) who bought it were unlikely to be heavily into their hifis!
Completely agree. This kind of recording is not for the more discerning listeners... pop at it's purest... Love it and can live with it! :)
 
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Edbostan

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Just dug out my Simon & Garfunkel box set. On Bridge over Troubled Waters album certain tracks display elements of sibilance, whereas when I compared the original 1970 vinyl, that had no 'ssss' on the same tracks. But this CD box set sounds horribly compressed.

If I get time later I'll try and bring down the RS6s

That's the album attached.
Their recordings differ vastly in quality. I find the title track Bridge over Troubled Water sounds very distorted and the crescendos make my teeth grate. On the other hand other tracks sound clean and distinct, for example Cecilia or Baby Driver and the beguiling quality of The Boy from New York or Frank Lloyd Wright is refreshing. I don't favour one recording medium over another. I find the latest Cliff Richard tracks exhibit sibilance due to his change of voice and then there is Bernie and the Jetsssssss by Elton John which is intended sibilance.
 

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