Samsung UE55C9000 review - Clare, Andy, Simon

I just finished reading the review of the Samsung UE55C9000 in the latest issue. I am intrigued:

1) Certainly an excellent effort by Samsung to show what it's capable of. Even the 46-inch version costs a staggering £5000! This coming from the largest LCD manufacturer in the world. And people thought the Kuro was expensive [*-)]

2) If you factor in performance per pound, does it still deserve 5 stars? Makes me think of all those reviews which lost a star due to the price.

3) I know the screen size is midway between the LX5090 & LX6090, but did you compare it with your reference TV?
 
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of course it got 5 stars , its an expensive lcd tv ...

crosstalk , clouding , viewing angle issues , extortionate pricing = 5 stars around here ..

reference tv ? ha ha ..

everything is a referance tv around here , hence the constant stream of 5 star winners , all referance right ?

but of course , some are docked stars on a performance per pound basis , thats actually hilarious given the fact that some 40in 3dtvs that are not in the same league as others that are pound for pound WAY cheaper and MUCH better are STILL given the 5 star endorsement ..

its a joke guys , and im sorry to say it , but it clearly is , the so called prformance per pound thing only exists in your imagination , though of course its handy for docking stars from tvs that may take sales from others that need to sell . sorry clare , but everyone is thinking what i (as usual alone) am saying , what hifi is an industry stooge .......
 
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Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's a joke.

If you don't like it go somewhere else. One of these other review places you keep mentioning that prays five times daily to Panasonic.
 
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Duol:

Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's a joke.

If you don't like go somewhere else. One of these other review places you keep mentioning that prays five times daily to Panasonic.

Interesting!!!!!!!!!!

The last time I looked we live in a country where free speech is part of our foundation, Max has a right to express his views and there will be thousands who agree with him. The team have their opinions, and so everyone should.

18 months ago I bought Pana's Th-42PZ80, and the picture is for me stunning. Yes I have seen slightly better pictures on other sets. Kuro, Samsung, and other Pana's, but these tv's are twice and a lot more expensive. The cost factor is not truly taken into acount, how can it be.

The £5000 Samsung will not far exceed my set in terms of picture or sound, yes it has 3D, but exactly what are you going to watch on it, Monster Inc 300 times.

Max is obviously sounding of, he has proven at the moment cannot live without What Hifi Forums. Great on you Max for posting your views.

Look forward to other replys.
 

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maxflinn:sorry clare , but everyone is thinking what i (as usual alone) am saying , what hifi is an industry stooge .......

How wise of you to know what everyone is thinking, max, but I have to refute your (as usual alone) ridiculous accusation.
 
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maxflinn:sorry clare , but everyone is thinking what i (as usual alone) am saying , what hifi is an industry stooge .......

How wise of you to know what everyone is thinking, max, but I have to refute your (as usual alone) ridiculous accusation.

Then again I also doubt very much Max's 'industry stooge' accusation.

Pana's at one time were showered with 5 stars, now because of fierce competition it is much harder for them. 4 star all the norm now.

In defence of the team surely it is an impossibe task when trying to compare hardware from so many financial, specs, quality backgrounds. Somewhere there has to be slight discrepancies.

Everyone should remember the teams views are exactly that, ( influential ones yes) views. I have only ever used the reviews as a guide line. I would then go out and compare my observations.

Buying a £5000 TV is absolutely ridiculous, they cannot be that much better, not only that my TV (no 3D) was £900, think how many bottles of Stella I can get for the difference. A few of the said Stella's and the picture/sound issue really does not matter.
 
Let me be clear here that I'm not challenging the 5 stars. Sure it must be an excellent TV. I must go & look at it myself now. I just find it a bit odd that B&O and Loewe TVs lose a star mainly because of their cost, not withstanding their excellent component quality & customer support.

The review says that this range of TVs must be a demonstration exercise by Samsung to show what it's capable of. But then, why would Samsung release it in different sizes?? Samsung has a good business sense. That's why it's making huge profits in these difficult times. Surely there's a market for it. But, in this economic climate, where?

Samsung is too big a company to be affected if these TVs don't do well.
 
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i take back my industry stooge allegations . that sounds insulting , sorry...
 
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heres what i want to say ..

i dont buy into whfis performance per pound tv reviewing procedure ..

its too ambiguous and easily manipulated , and often is imo..

too many expensive tvs get 5 stars , even though many of those tvs have faults which whfi mention in their reviews of said tvs , but they usually dont lose a star ?example , crosstalk on all 3d samsung lcds reviewed to date , other reviewers knocked these tvs for this , whfi gave them all 5 stars ?

yet these sammy tvs range from being very expensive to astoundingly expensive ? the tv mentioned by the op here is over £5000 i believe , what was it compared against ? an imax theatre ?

heres another gripe ..

sonys brilliant ex503 tv , touted as the best tv on a performance per pound basis in two recent tests that also included much more expensive tvs that didnt get docked a star ? why was that ? if you have a 4 horse race you can only have one winner ? not 3 winners ...

but my main issue is this , why didnt what hifi test the sony against the samsung c750 lcd tv ? because samsung didnt send you one for review ? why not buy one then ? and send it back to samsung for a refund ? or sell it on ebay or discounted to a staff member ? whfi would only lose a couple of hundred at the most , surely in the interest of providing the best choices available to you for your readers who may make a big decision based on your verdict , this small loss could be easily warranted ?

the reason i ask this ? well its simple enough really , the c750 is very similarly specced as the sony ex503 , its the same price as the ex 503 , its likely to be as good as the ex503 , (last years b650 and w5500 were very evenly matched) and you know what ? its a full 3d tv to boot ..

now , how many people that bought the sony off the back of whfis magazine supertests are going to be happy to find out that they could have spent the same money on another very good tv and had 3d ?

surely the ommision of the samsung from the test designed to find the best world cup tv was a glaring mistake on what hifis part ?

if not a mistake , was it strategically ommited because it may have hindered the sale of the more expensive 3dtvs that the various makers are hoping to sell ? aided by whfis generous , neverending list of 5 star endorsements at seemingly any price ?

there is a global reccession at the moment , many people , families etc would have bought the mag , or indeed be subscribers , that look to whfi for guidance in these tough economic times , are these people less important to the future of what hifi clare ? or are the profits of the likes of sony , samsung etc more of a concern for the magazine going forward ?

there is no doubt whfi is inextricably linked to tv sales , to most av. sales in the uk actually , and thats fine , as a company and a business model thats to be applauded , the forums here are fantastic , youve got multi million pound facilities which are the envy of a.v. people worldwide , your in pole position ..

but heres my point clare , people of all ages are now able to find their way around a computer , even my mum now asks me to look up things online for her
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, and many of your subscribers and those that buy the mag will also be looking to the internet to find information on various products , many a.v.related , now if whfi continually buck the trend of other reviewers out there , then people will start to see that , and will , like me ask why all the expensive tvs , cables , blu-ray players etc get top marks here , but not elswhere ?

when conducting supertests in the future , i think they should be compiled from the tvs most relevant to the buying public and that truly provide the best value /features for money available , and honestly judged on that basis , irrespective of what knock on affect that may have on the sales of more expensive tvs, not having review samples when they are on sale is a cop out , be the publics friend and the future will be rosy for whfi , ponder to the manufacturers clare and you will be found out over time ....
 
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One thing i don't like about the samsung tvs is that there is no button to turn the tv off completely, you have to leave it in standby on turn it off by the mains. I have looked at there tvs and like them alot, but why do they leave out a on and off switch?

That means if you don't want to leave it in standby each time you put your tv on your system will all turn on at the same time too, not great.

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Mr Dawes in his Welcome note on page 3 says Samsung's new C9000 flagship set is possibly the best TV we've ever had through the doors at What Hi-Fi Sound and Vision. This is a £7000.00 TV, mind you!

For years, the Kuro was described as the best TV in the world - this testimony is of a greater resounding significance, i.e. World vs Door's of WHF. These were way much cheaper than £7000.00 and were still considered pricey by many.

To give 5 **** to the Samsung simply does not make sense. It is just too much money to pay for any TV, when you have docked stars from other considerably cheaper TV sets on the basis of price when compared with the competition.

Is the Samsung about £3000.00 - £4000.00 better than the Kuro? The Kuro PDP-LX5090 is your 'Reference TV', so why did you not compare the performance of the Samsung to the Kuro? Wouldn't that have been a natural expectation?

I suspect that the verdict would have seen the Samsung awarded 3 ****. In these tough economic times, the underlying criteria should be 'value for money' on a 'price per pound basis'.

I therefore wonder how you are able to justify awarding 5 **** to a TV that costs £7000.00 while admitting that it isn't perfect.
 
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so , the sammy is possibly the best tv that has ever come through the doors at whfi towers ? possibly , ok , thats fine , but its precisely £5000 more expensive than the panasonic 50vt20 , so , assuming whfis opinion of the vt20 is not totally different to everyone elses on the planet , ie , its the best tv on sale today .. then the samsung will lose a star because of whfis often touted performance per pound mantra , and the vt20 will be crowned as the new whfi tv king
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theres more chance of england winning 12....2..
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Well, as I have said before, I have no reason to question the objectivity of WhatHifi.

That doesn't mean I agree with all review however. And this is one of the times where I am puzzled by the result.
Surely this is a fine TV, maybe one of the best ever (I personally doesn't find it better than the Kuro's), but still. Is it really worth tvice as much (if not more) than the previous reference TV? Not in my book.

I would even prefer the 4 star Panasonic TX-P50G20 over this TV to one fourth of the price...
 

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maxflinn:
so , the sammy is possibly the best tv that has ever come through the doors at whfi towers ? possibly , ok , thats fine , but its precisely £5000 more expensive than the panasonic 50vt20 , so , assuming whfis opinion of the vt20 is not totally different to everyone elses on the planet , ie , its the best tv on sale today .. then the samsung will lose a star because of whfis often touted performance per pound mantra , and the vt20 will be crowned as the new whfi tv king
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I have to say that some of the posts about this review are shocking and quite embarrassing. The abuse thrown at the mag is childish. Number 1. It's up to the reviewers what rating they give and it's not up to them if readers just follow ratings only. Number 2. Why do people seem to get offended if their equipment is three or four stars? Number three. Why do people think that they can tell the mag what they should and shouldn't review?

I read the review. I thought it looks great, has every connection a high end screen would need and it was quite clear that the performance was so good that price was of little relevance. The next page has a £10k pre amp and then the MA Platinum AV package. No one moans about them getting 5 stars.
 

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Just to clarify, maxflinn, you're saying that you withdraw your industry stooge allegation, then you make another post in which you reiterate the allegation five times?
 
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sorry andrew , you and the team are all stellar people , im having a bad week , dont mind me ..
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Gerrardasnails: I have to say that some of the posts about this review are shocking and quite embarrassing.

Really? Wouldn't you say one of the most important functions of a forum is to discuss products and their reviews? At least that is how I see it.

Gerrardasnails: Number 2. Why do people seem to get offended if their equipment is three or four stars? .

I assume you are referring to the much debated Panasonic G20 plasma? I actually do not think one single of the people raising their voice about this review actually own the product. But several of us have seen the TV and read a lot of others reviews painting another picture. And no, I am not offended and I do not complain about the WhatHifi review, but I still think it should be alloud to share disagreements, don't you?

Gerrardasnails: I thought it looks great, has every connection a high end screen would need and it was quite clear that the performance was so good that price was of little relevance. The next page has a £10k pre amp and then the MA Platinum AV package. No one moans about them getting 5 stars.

Well, that pretty much rules out the whole point about performance per pound doesn't it? Anyway, that is a ludicrous statement in my opinion. Of course you always pay a lot for the last 5% but still, this is more than double up, and the TV still has some flaws as I read it.

And why no comments about the MA Platinum package? Well, maybe people haven't seen/tested it. I haven't and therefore cannot comment. I am sure however it is a terrific package!
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Gerrardasnails: I have to say that some of the posts about this review are shocking and quite embarrassing.

Really? Wouldn't you say one of the most important functions of a forum is to discuss products and their reviews? At least that is how I see it.

Gerrardasnails: Number 2. Why do people seem to get offended if their equipment is three or four stars? .

I assume you are referring to the much debated Panasonic G20 plasma? I actually do not think one single of the people raising their voice about this review actually own the product. But several of us have seen the TV and read a lot of others reviews painting another picture. And no, I am not offended and I do not complain about the WhatHifi review, but I still think it should be alloud to share disagreements, don't you?

Gerrardasnails: I thought it looks great, has every connection a high end screen would need and it was quite clear that the performance was so good that price was of little relevance. The next page has a £10k pre amp and then the MA Platinum AV package. No one moans about them getting 5 stars.

Well, that pretty much rules out the whole point about performance per pound doesn't it? Anyway, that is a ludicrous statement in my opinion. Of course you always pay a lot for the last 5% but still, this is more than double up, and the TV still has some flaws as I read it.

And why no comments about the MA Platinum package? Well, maybe people haven't seen/tested it. I haven't and therefore cannot comment. I am sure however it is a terrific package!
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I'm posting from my iPhone at the moment so my formatting won't be great.

Your last point; do you think that anyone who commented on this review has seen the Samsung in action?

As for the other points you raise, of course people can have opinions - mine is that they are being childish. My point about the price not being a factor is a pertinant one. Whoever buys this screen will have a lot of money. If the screen is the best and that is what they want no matter, then the price is not a factor. WHF awarding five stars is it's right too. I seem to remember a Pana or Sony 70 in screen that got 3 or 4 stars but it was basically the normal top of the range but massive and £30k or something. That makes more sense to me but I would not spend £1k on a screen before demoing so the review would be merely a base - kind of what the idea is.
 
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gerrard , virtually every 2010 lcd tv reviewed , 3d or otherwise thats over 40in has got 5 stars here from whfi , even though they readily admit some have flaws , some of these tvs being very expensive ..

no panasonic plasma yet reviewed has got 5 stars , even though they have no apparent flaws , and are keenly priced..

before calling people childish , perhaps you should research a little more into just what complaints are being made and why ..
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Gerrardasnails: Your last point; do you think that anyone who commented on this review has seen the Samsung in action?

I cannot comment on others behalf, but yes, I have seen the Samsung. Hence my comment on how it (in my view) fairs compared to Pioneer Kuro range and as a consequence my disagreement on the star rating.

Gerrardasnails: My point about the price not being a factor is a pertinant one. Whoever buys this screen will have a lot of money. If the screen is the best and that is what they want no matter, then the price is not a factor.

So at a certain point price suddenly doesn't matter anymore? That doesn't make any sense to me!
Anyway, I would really like to know where the 'cut' is in order to take that into account when reading the reveiws...
 

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maxflinn:
gerrard , virtually every 2010 lcd tv reviewed , 3d or otherwise thats over 40in has got 5 stars here from whfi , even though they readily admit some have flaws , some of these tvs being very expensive ..

no panasonic plasma yet reviewed has got 5 stars , even though they have no apparent flaws , and are keenly priced..

before calling people childish , perhaps you should research a little more into just what complaints are being made and why ..
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well I just did a quick bit of research. Two 40 plus LCD's this month (not including the £7k screen). LG gets 3 stars and Sony gets 4 stars. Last month, 46 inch Sharp was the only one and got 4 stars. I haven't got previous months copies to hand but I'm sure you are right.
 

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