Russ Andrews

[Broner]

Mains products do make a difference!

It just breaks my heart that you come to this particular conclusion.

russ andrews makes alot of mains products - which ones dont work and why ?

Ahh, if you mean to ask whether I disagree with the idea that mains work, then the answer is no. I find them very useful.

i'm talking about to the various filters and mains cables he sells.

please tell which ones out of his extensive range dont/cant possibly work and why ?

WIth respect to the mains I have already told you that I find them very useful. Air is such a terrible conductor, so it makes perfect sense to me that mains are used. I haven't said anything about whether filters don't work, but I was in fact questioning the logic of the OP who jumped to the conclusion that 'mains do make a difference'. The outcome of the ASA investigation simply does not warrant that conclusion unless he simply means to say that mains are in fact useful (as opposed to not using mains), which I think we can agree on, is a somewhat silly thing to state (and you don't really need an ASA-ruling to know that).

Do you see that you are asking me some very strange questions here? I might as well ask you why you dislike artichokes.

the opening post said "mains products", not just the "mains". !

Yes he did.

 

[matt49]

Feel free to nominate a more worthy leechee...

Vampire squid?

 

[andyjm]

As a UK Taxpayer I think I am already giving enough to that charity |(

James

Barclays were not bailed out by the taxpayer.

Indeed. And a profit of £5.2bn in 2013. 5% of which would be - give me a moment - £26m.

Where I come from, 5% of £5.2bn is £260M.

 

[chebby]

As a UK Taxpayer I think I am already giving enough to that charity |(

James

Barclays were not bailed out by the taxpayer.

Indeed. And a profit of £5.2bn in 2013. 5% of which would be - give me a moment - £26m.

Where I come from, 5% of £5.2bn is £260M.

"A billion here, a billion there, pretty soon, you're talking real money."

 

[unknown]

I actually own some RA mains cables. Personally I don't think they have made much of a difference but they are all just plugged into a normal mains extension lead. I did not bother to send them back but I won't be buying anymore.

But in any case all of this is as subjective as they way we all perceive things is all so different , we like different food, different music, different smells etc etc so why can it not be possible that what some people look for in music reproduction is enhanced by some part of their system? It's not that they are right and someone else is wrong as there is not right and wrong in this , it's just their unique interpretation of the moment differs from another's. Personally I think blue cheese is the food of the devil and there is no part of me that can even fathom how someone can put that vile substance in their mouths but there are many people that think its very tasty.

i see you have some power max plus mains cables. as far as i'm aware, these cables have thicker conductors for a lower impedance but offer no radio frequency rejection advantage when compared to a standard "kettle" lead. the powerkords,where the woven conductors are used, is where the radio frequency rejection technology comes into play. not cheap but these, in my opinion, are the cables to test/judge.

 

[John Duncan]

As a UK Taxpayer I think I am already giving enough to that charity |(

James

Barclays were not bailed out by the taxpayer.

Indeed. And a profit of £5.2bn in 2013. 5% of which would be - give me a moment - £26m.

Where I come from, 5% of £5.2bn is £260M.

Oh wow, I think I've found a bug in iOS calculator...

Edit - aHA. In portrait mode, the calc only accepts 9 places, in landscape it accepts more*. £260m it is. Hurrah for Barclays wiping out child poverty o/.

*I should let George Osborne know this.

 

[hammill]

As a UK Taxpayer I think I am already giving enough to that charity |(

James

Barclays were not bailed out by the taxpayer.

Indeed. And a profit of £5.2bn in 2013. 5% of which would be - give me a moment - £26m.

Where I come from, 5% of £5.2bn is £260M.

Oh wow, I think I've found a bug in iOS calculator...

Edit - aHA. In portrait mode, the calc only accepts 9 places, in landscape it accepts more*. £260m it is. Hurrah for Barclays wiping out child poverty o/. *I should let George Osborne know this.

You have a maths degree and used a calculator to calculate 5% of £5.2bn? Yes I know arithmetic is a tiny part of mathematics, but even so.

 

[DrBeats]

It's the wider issue of proving audible differences. Fair enough if you can't tell the difference between cables, but if Sony can't prove a difference between a CD file and a 24Bit/192kHz file then surely all this hype about hi-res is pointless. So you could say, if there's no difference between those (ermm..which there clearly is) then you might as well say there's no difference between ANY format....best pack up and go home...

 

[John Duncan]

As a UK Taxpayer I think I am already giving enough to that charity |(

James

Barclays were not bailed out by the taxpayer.

Indeed. And a profit of £5.2bn in 2013. 5% of which would be - give me a moment - £26m.

Where I come from, 5% of £5.2bn is £260M.

Oh wow, I think I've found a bug in iOS calculator...

Edit - aHA. In portrait mode, the calc only accepts 9 places, in landscape it accepts more*. £260m it is. Hurrah for Barclays wiping out child poverty o/. *I should let George Osborne know this.

You have a maths degree and used a calculator to calculate 5% of £5.2bn? Yes I know arithmetic is a tiny part of mathematics, but even so.

Its a lot of zeroes to do in my head, so yes. I wanted to make sure I got it right so I didn't look like a ****...

 

[cheeseboy]

... then you might as well say there's no difference between ANY format....best pack up and go home...

if you wanted to be completley over-reactionary about it just to make a completley invalid point, then sure, knock yourself out. :roll:

 

[cj_random]

Its all about what YOU can hear. If YOU cant hear the difference, dont buy the cables. Simples.

Personally, when I bought a tacima mains conditioner, I plugged it in and noticed a difference. The sound became smoother. I liked it so I kept it. Then I tried some Clearer Audio copper-line alpha power cables to my cd player and amplifier. I got better bass weight and definition. I liked the change so I kept them.

Overall I heard improvement. Thats my point. If you cant hear a difference then fair enough. Save the money and put it towards something else.

 

[cheeseboy]

Its all about what YOU can hear. If YOU cant hear the difference, dont buy the cables. Simples.

Personally, when I bought a tacima mains conditioner, I plugged it in and noticed a difference. The sound became smoother. I liked it so I kept it. Then I tried some Clearer Audio copper-line alpha power cables to my cd player and amplifier. I got better bass weight and definition. I liked the change so I kept them.

Overall I heard improvement. Thats my point. If you cant hear a difference then fair enough. Save the money and put it towards something else.

Do you think it's right that a company (and I'm not just talking specifically about russ andrews/other hifi thinggies) should be allowed to outright lie in it's sales blurb? That's more what this is about.

 

[tele1962]

Its all about what YOU can hear. If YOU cant hear the difference, dont buy the cables. Simples.

Personally, when I bought a tacima mains conditioner, I plugged it in and noticed a difference. The sound became smoother. I liked it so I kept it. Then I tried some Clearer Audio copper-line alpha power cables to my cd player and amplifier. I got better bass weight and definition. I liked the change so I kept them.

Overall I heard improvement. Thats my point. If you cant hear a difference then fair enough. Save the money and put it towards something else.

Placebo Effect.

 

[TrevC]

Did everyone see the article about Russ Andrews in the WHF News section? The ASA has ruled that Russ Andrews is not misleading customers.

Mains products do make a difference!

Non sequitur.

 

[TrevC]

Its all about what YOU can hear. If YOU cant hear the difference, dont buy the cables. Simples.

Personally, when I bought a tacima mains conditioner, I plugged it in and noticed a difference. The sound became smoother. I liked it so I kept it. Then I tried some Clearer Audio copper-line alpha power cables to my cd player and amplifier. I got better bass weight and definition. I liked the change so I kept them.

Overall I heard improvement. Thats my point. If you cant hear a difference then fair enough. Save the money and put it towards something else.

Placebo Effect.

Exactly. But at least it's homeopathy at a reasonable price.

 

[unknown]

Its all about what YOU can hear. If YOU cant hear the difference, dont buy the cables. Simples.

Personally, when I bought a tacima mains conditioner, I plugged it in and noticed a difference. The sound became smoother. I liked it so I kept it. Then I tried some Clearer Audio copper-line alpha power cables to my cd player and amplifier. I got better bass weight and definition. I liked the change so I kept them.

Overall I heard improvement. Thats my point. If you cant hear a difference then fair enough. Save the money and put it towards something else.

Placebo Effect.

is it placebo effect when i adjust the bass tone control on my amp from zero to 10 with the result being i can hear more bass from my system ?

 

[hammill]

Its all about what YOU can hear. If YOU cant hear the difference, dont buy the cables. Simples.

Personally, when I bought a tacima mains conditioner, I plugged it in and noticed a difference. The sound became smoother. I liked it so I kept it. Then I tried some Clearer Audio copper-line alpha power cables to my cd player and amplifier. I got better bass weight and definition. I liked the change so I kept them.

Overall I heard improvement. Thats my point. If you cant hear a difference then fair enough. Save the money and put it towards something else.

Placebo Effect.

is it placebo effect when i adjust the bass tone control on my amp from zero to 10 with the result being i can hear more bass from my system ?

Probably not ( although the control could be disconnected) as how bass controls work is well understood technology with a scientific basis. If you ask the same question about whether a new HDMI cable allows you to see deeper blacks then that is a placebo effect.

 

[Broner]

Its all about what YOU can hear. If YOU cant hear the difference, dont buy the cables. Simples.

Personally, when I bought a tacima mains conditioner, I plugged it in and noticed a difference. The sound became smoother. I liked it so I kept it. Then I tried some Clearer Audio copper-line alpha power cables to my cd player and amplifier. I got better bass weight and definition. I liked the change so I kept them.

Overall I heard improvement. Thats my point. If you cant hear a difference then fair enough. Save the money and put it towards something else.

Placebo Effect.

is it placebo effect when i adjust the bass tone control on my amp from zero to 10 with the result being i can hear more bass from my system ?

I'm not sure whether you think you are asking a serious question here, but I believe somebody already replied to it in another thread. Moreover, the placebo effect has been explained in a million different ways on this website and you can check Wikipedia on the phenomenon as it is well described and well established. There really shouldn't be a reason for asking this question.

Nonetheless, to give you an answer, I would like to use the general example from medicine studies. When they test painkillers on a group of volunteers, they will check it against a placebo (a pill without substances that cause an effect) in a control group to check whether the painkiller is effective beyond the level of the placebo, because it is well-known that people experience less pain when they take a placebo. It should be realized here, that a real painkiller is not only effective because of the substances but also because of the placebo effect. So there are basically 2 factors at play here.

Back to your question: when you turn up the bass, you will hear more bass because there is more bass. But at the same time the placebo effect is also at play. When you turn a control, expecting that it will increase the bass, it is very well possible that the placebo effect distorts your perception of the bass that is actually produced.

 

[TrevC]

Its all about what YOU can hear. If YOU cant hear the difference, dont buy the cables. Simples.

Personally, when I bought a tacima mains conditioner, I plugged it in and noticed a difference. The sound became smoother. I liked it so I kept it. Then I tried some Clearer Audio copper-line alpha power cables to my cd player and amplifier. I got better bass weight and definition. I liked the change so I kept them.

Overall I heard improvement. Thats my point. If you cant hear a difference then fair enough. Save the money and put it towards something else.

Placebo Effect.

is it placebo effect when i adjust the bass tone control on my amp from zero to 10 with the result being i can hear more bass from my system ?

I'm not sure whether you think you are asking a serious question here, but I believe somebody already replied to it in anoTher thread. Moreover, the placebo effect has been explained in a million different ways on this website and you can check Wikipedia on the phenomenon as it is well described and well established. There really shouldn't be a reason for asking this question.

Nonetheless, to give you an answer, I would like to use the general example from medicine studies. When they test painkillers on a group of volunteers, they will check it against a placebo (a pill without substances that cause an effect) in a control group to check whether the painkiller is effective beyond the level of the placebo, because it is well-known that people experience less pain when they take a placebo. It should be realized here, that a real painkiller is not only effective because of the substances but also because of the placebo effect. So there are basically 2 factors at play here.

Back to your question: when you turn up the bass, you will hear more bass because there is more bass. But at the same time the placebo effect is also at play. When you turn a control, expecting that it will increase the bass, it is very well possible that the placebo effect distorts your perception of the bass that is actually produced.

Yes, and your ears will compensate for the sound you hear. If you have tone controls listen for a while with them up full, then put them back to normal. Initially the sound will seem awful, then after a short while it will gradually sound OK once more.

 

[simonlewis]

:O This thread has decended into boringness.

 

[Alec]

Its all about what YOU can hear. If YOU cant hear the difference, dont buy the cables. Simples.

Personally, when I bought a tacima mains conditioner, I plugged it in and noticed a difference. The sound became smoother. I liked it so I kept it. Then I tried some Clearer Audio copper-line alpha power cables to my cd player and amplifier. I got better bass weight and definition. I liked the change so I kept them.

Overall I heard improvement. Thats my point. If you cant hear a difference then fair enough. Save the money and put it towards something else.

Placebo Effect.

is it placebo effect when i adjust the bass tone control on my amp from zero to 10 with the result being i can hear more bass from my system ?

Why are you still barking up that one?

 

[hifikrazy]

:O This thread has decended into boringness.

Unfortunately that's what happens when every attempt by somebody to share their experience gets met by the Placebo Effect response. Somehow there are a bunch of people in here who feel clever throwing that blunt response out every time.

 

[cheeseboy]

:O This thread has decended into boringness.

Unfortunately that's what happens when every attempt by somebody to share their experience gets met by the Placebo Effect response. Somehow there are a bunch of people in here who feel clever throwing that blunt response out every time.

Do you think the placebo effect exists?

 

[hifikrazy]

Do you think the placebo effect exists?

Yes I do. But I don't think it happens 100% of the time like you guys make it out to be.

 

[Alec]

:O This thread has decended into boringness.

Unfortunately that's what happens when every attempt by somebody to share their experience gets met by the Placebo Effect response. Somehow there are a bunch of people in here who feel clever throwing that blunt response out every time.

Unfortunately, it exists, and you cannot prove it wasn't at work. So, unless the phrase is banned (or some similar action taken, not that I'm calling for it), it will keep happening.