Lol you mean prior to connecting it all, yeah remembered that bit, well that was quite a surprise and very interesting. I don't know what Steve bought but that certainly brought the midrange further forward and was very clean and tempered some of the bass, but it still had punch. Of course you have to turn it up a bit first, it's on a lower setting than what the amp is typically on in terms of it's output levels.
hi fi newbie:Lol you mean prior to connecting it all, yeah remembered that bit, well that was quite a surprise and very interesting. I don't know what Steve bought but that certainly brought the midrange further forward and was very clean and tempered some of the bass, but it still had punch. Of course you have to turn it up a bit first, it's on a lower setting than what the amp is typically on in terms of it's output levels.
wow many thanks for taking the time to try that. Sounds very interesting, so the beresford wasn't completely out classed by the built in pre in the NAD?
wow many thanks for taking the time to try that. Sounds very interesting, so the beresford wasn't completely out classed by the built in pre in the NAD?
Quite the contrary, it's better than the NAD pre amp section, in fact i am going to keep it like this, i guess i owe you thanks.
I should have elaborated, it's cleaner, the bass has tightened and the whole listen is just more lively as a result of the midrange becoming more forward.
Definitely worth getting a demo of that roksan power amp and getting the Beresford modded
I should have elaborated, it's cleaner, the bass has tightened and the whole listen is just more lively as a result of the midrange becoming more forward.
Definitely worth getting a demo of that roksan power amp and getting the Beresford modded
I have now set up my Beresford in pre-amp mode,there is a bypass switch on the back of the K2 that bypasses the pre section,and I think there has been an overall improvement in quality.I have only listened to a few tracks and the difference is not huge or obviously noticable but will keep it set up this way for a longer evaluation period.
Until this thread I didn`t even realise the Beresford could be used this way or the K2 had a bypass mode,suppose that`s what you get for not reading the manuals properly but does anybody! I would second going for the Roksan power and getting the Beresford modded.Perhaps even wait a bit and save some more cash and go for one of the higher level mods,you know you want to!
Until this thread I didn`t even realise the Beresford could be used this way or the K2 had a bypass mode,suppose that`s what you get for not reading the manuals properly but does anybody! I would second going for the Roksan power and getting the Beresford modded.Perhaps even wait a bit and save some more cash and go for one of the higher level mods,you know you want to!
lol its great news you two are enjoying the beresford as a pre. Can't wait till my home demo of the Kandy! I'm also being loaned some speakers to try with it. I'm borrowing the Ikon 6's and some B&W 684's. Basshound have you heard the 684 or think they would be a good match for Roksan?
Hi Steve, yes it's been a big improvement
Second hand observation but this is what Dan said about the 684's
Demo'd the B&W 684's next and they didnt last 5mins; very bloated bass and muddy midrange! lol
I haven't heard the Ikons but from what I can gauge reading comments from various people on various forums it will be the more liked one from the 2.
Yikes almost a thousand quid, I guess I would be interested to see how the Neo's stand up against them. Of course I wouldn't expect them to be on a par but it would be interesting to see how big the difference is.
Second hand observation but this is what Dan said about the 684's
Demo'd the B&W 684's next and they didnt last 5mins; very bloated bass and muddy midrange! lol
I haven't heard the Ikons but from what I can gauge reading comments from various people on various forums it will be the more liked one from the 2.
Yikes almost a thousand quid, I guess I would be interested to see how the Neo's stand up against them. Of course I wouldn't expect them to be on a par but it would be interesting to see how big the difference is.
Stevie_Blaze:lol its great news you two are enjoying the beresford as a pre. Can't wait till my home demo of the Kandy! I'm also being loaned some speakers to try with it. I'm borrowing the Ikon 6's and some B&W 684's. Basshound have you heard the 684 or think they would be a good match for Roksan?
Have`nt heard the 684`s but think you`ll like the Ikon 6`s but try them quite loud for a while (neighbors permitting) to see if you think they might be a bit bright at the top which can be wearing after a time,
Have`nt heard the 684`s but think you`ll like the Ikon 6`s but try them quite loud for a while (neighbors permitting) to see if you think they might be a bit bright at the top which can be wearing after a time,
i've found dalis with ribbon tweeters to have quite an unusual sound, you'll either love it or hate it, i would guess.
yea the ribbon tweaters can be a little weird. I have the Dali Ikon Vocal 2 as my center speaker and it took a little time to get used to but now i love it.
hifi newbie - I hope my Neo 3's should be here by the time i have the home demo at the end of next week. So i will be able to compare with Ikon's that as you say cost 4 times as much!
I also must admit that i am rather fond of B&W speakers, I have heard various speakers from a few of their diffrent ranges and have been impressed by almost all of them. I'm not sure why, just really seam to suit the kind of music i am into. Dali won though when i bought my first proper speakers so it will be interesting to see which i prefer now.
hifi newbie - I hope my Neo 3's should be here by the time i have the home demo at the end of next week. So i will be able to compare with Ikon's that as you say cost 4 times as much!
I also must admit that i am rather fond of B&W speakers, I have heard various speakers from a few of their diffrent ranges and have been impressed by almost all of them. I'm not sure why, just really seam to suit the kind of music i am into. Dali won though when i bought my first proper speakers so it will be interesting to see which i prefer now.
Haven't heard that one although i remember what hi fi said the Caspian integrated sounds dull at lower volumes
I would give the roksan you have been offered originally a whirl first
Also since it's drum n bass you listen to a lot, i would recommend having both the Neo's and the others a good 18 inches from the wall because when that low end kicks in, you will know about it lol
I would give the roksan you have been offered originally a whirl first
Also since it's drum n bass you listen to a lot, i would recommend having both the Neo's and the others a good 18 inches from the wall because when that low end kicks in, you will know about it lol
Cool thanks for the tip. I'll get to try both the Kandy and the Caspain, although i do need the system to be abe to perform at lower volumes.
Hows the Beresford working out as the pre? Do you use the volume control on the NAD or Beresford to control the volume now?
Hows the Beresford working out as the pre? Do you use the volume control on the NAD or Beresford to control the volume now?
Stevie_Blaze:
Cool thanks for the tip. I'll get to try both the Kandy and the Caspain, although i do need the system to be abe to perform at lower volumes.
Hows the Beresford working out as the pre? Do you use the volume control on the NAD or Beresford to control the volume now?
Be interesting to see what you think of the Kandy and the Caspian side by side,in my case using the Beresford as a pre I use the volume on the Beresford so the K2 remote is almost redundant now but worth the (minor) inconvienience for the improvement.Have listened to fair few tracks now and there is definately a general increase in quality.
Cool thanks for the tip. I'll get to try both the Kandy and the Caspain, although i do need the system to be abe to perform at lower volumes.
Hows the Beresford working out as the pre? Do you use the volume control on the NAD or Beresford to control the volume now?
Be interesting to see what you think of the Kandy and the Caspian side by side,in my case using the Beresford as a pre I use the volume on the Beresford so the K2 remote is almost redundant now but worth the (minor) inconvienience for the improvement.Have listened to fair few tracks now and there is definately a general increase in quality.
Oh just to clarify what I meant, it works excellently at lower volume levels and the advise about seperation between the wall and speaker was mainly if you have it on high volumes. Like I did yesterday, almost deafening myself in the process
Apart from the inconvenience of using the Beresford manually, it's working out brilliantl. Obviously it's not gonna have quite the same effect with the Roksan because it's a superior amp but with the NAD, this is the equivalent of me having bought another amp
Really is that good, the roksan's and the pre amp will blow your Marantz completely out of the water, let us know how you get on
Apart from the inconvenience of using the Beresford manually, it's working out brilliantl. Obviously it's not gonna have quite the same effect with the Roksan because it's a superior amp but with the NAD, this is the equivalent of me having bought another amp
Really is that good, the roksan's and the pre amp will blow your Marantz completely out of the water, let us know how you get on
Gald the Beresford is working out so good for you two, i though i was being stupid when i first posted about using the 7520 as a pre. Hopefully it works as well with the Roksan. I'm testing loads of kit next week as i really want this next upgrade to be it for a good two years, so i want to make sure i'm completly happy before i buy. I'm testing the Kandy1+2 and Caspian power amps along with a nait naim 5i just to compare. As well as Dali Ikon6's B&W684 and possibly some MA RX6's but after hearing the RS6's i feal these will be to bright.
I'll post my finding and my final choice next week.
I'll post my finding and my final choice next week.
Awesome, although there is such a thing as satisfaction to ya know lol. What I mean is once you have got something that ticks all the boxes, why put a 2 year time frame on it? You could always do the unthinkable and stick with that choice haha
Oh and the modded Beresford will be the icing on the cake
Oh and the modded Beresford will be the icing on the cake
Ok so i'm currently listening to the Kandy mk3 power amp at home and wow,its incredible!!!! It's such a energetic sound I love it! It's not too bright at all, it just has more midrange than the Marantz. Evan with the Lektor's the difference is stunning. I really like the Marantz but the Roksan is just much more my kinda sound. Lots of drive, energy and massive bass so great for dance and Dnb but it can still do the subtler stuff. Just listened to Florence and the Machines album and it was incredible. I've got a test with some B&W 684 tomorrow, hopefully with the Roksan works well with those too. The 7520 also is working great as a pre, not a massive amount of difference between it and using a kandy integrated as the pre.
So with the £150 off the £300 asking price I'll get for trading in the Marantz I'd be crazy not to right lol?
So with the £150 off the £300 asking price I'll get for trading in the Marantz I'd be crazy not to right lol?
Ok so i spent the day listening to the B&W 684, Monitor audio RX6's, Dali Lektor 6's and the Ikon 6's with the Roksan (which I have now bought by the way). Out of the bunch the two I liked the most were the 684's and the Lektor 6's. I am leaning slightly more towards the 684's as on some tracks the sound is sublime however on the odd track they were lacking any real dynamic range. The Lektor 6's are a great all rounder however on some tracks the 684's are in different league.
I have the 684's on home demo from Friday night so can give them a really good listen over the weekend.
I have the 684's on home demo from Friday night so can give them a really good listen over the weekend.
Just been reading your posts, so you part exchanged your Marantz for the Roksan? sounds like an absolute no brainer and a terrific improvement. Which speaker do you like the least? and why? one thing I would add is the speakers probably need to be run in more if they are new that is.
Will be interesting to see what you think of the Neo's after these speakers
Will be interesting to see what you think of the Neo's after these speakers
I liked the Monitor audio RX6's the least 2bh, just lacked any bass weight and has a bit too much high end for my taste with the Roksan. I also wasn't that taken with the Ikon 6's, they are a great speaker but didn't really suit my taste in music. So that leaves me to choose between the 684's, Lektor 6's and the Neo 3's (although the Neo 3's will be kept anyway as the rest of my house has chipped in for them and they will be moved to the shared area).Unfortunately all but the Lektor 6's were straight out of the box so none of them have run in at all which is a shame and not ideal I know.
Yup I traded in the Marantz for the Roksan after just one night's home demo, I found it that good. I listened to track after track last night and no matter what I threw at the Roksan it responded beautifully. Form old school hip hop like Nas, A tribe called quest and the Roots to Dance and DnB like faithless and high contrast to stuff like Florence and the Machine I was genuinely stunned by it. Well worth the £150 lol.
Yup I traded in the Marantz for the Roksan after just one night's home demo, I found it that good. I listened to track after track last night and no matter what I threw at the Roksan it responded beautifully. Form old school hip hop like Nas, A tribe called quest and the Roots to Dance and DnB like faithless and high contrast to stuff like Florence and the Machine I was genuinely stunned by it. Well worth the £150 lol.
I would definitely give the other speakers time to run in, don't think you can judge them too much juet yet
Yes i was a little disapointed to find that all the speakers that i wanted to test were not run in at all. However the only real option i have is to wait for them to get run by people listening to them in the shop so could take a long time! I'll post again tomorrow when i have the 684's in my house for the weekend.
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