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The only one Ive heard was the Dylan album and although not great I wouldnt say it was extremely poor or in any way unlistenable.
I think we'll probably have to agree to disagree as I have paid for, and enjoyed, albums that sound far worse than that. All it does is make me appreciate the better ones more!
I think we'll probably have to agree to disagree as I have paid for, and enjoyed, albums that sound far worse than that. All it does is make me appreciate the better ones more!
Fair Play bobbyg81 keep rockin in the freeworld. Should check out the new Anathema album it's great. What are you listening to at the moment?
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bluecafe1:
I do agree Matthewpiano but not much point in having great content if its not sounding good?
Still disagree to an extent. Yes, it is much nicer if you get great content AND great sound but it just isn't going to happen. One of the great things about the modern music scene is that there are bands and musicians out there who are able to set their work free on the world because of cheaper recording equipment and the internet. Many of them would never have got a mainstream record deal because perhaps they are too niche in terms of their fan base. There are also classic recordings and albums that, for various reasons, were recorded in less than ideal conditions or with primitive technology. Jethro Tull's Aqualung is poorly recorded for example, and then there are all the acoustic and early electrical recordings of great operatic singers from 1900 onwards. With music such as this I'd much rather have the poor recordings than not have the music at all.
Easier to cope with good content and less impressive recorded sound than it is to cope with demonstration sound for third rate music.
I do agree Matthewpiano but not much point in having great content if its not sounding good?
Still disagree to an extent. Yes, it is much nicer if you get great content AND great sound but it just isn't going to happen. One of the great things about the modern music scene is that there are bands and musicians out there who are able to set their work free on the world because of cheaper recording equipment and the internet. Many of them would never have got a mainstream record deal because perhaps they are too niche in terms of their fan base. There are also classic recordings and albums that, for various reasons, were recorded in less than ideal conditions or with primitive technology. Jethro Tull's Aqualung is poorly recorded for example, and then there are all the acoustic and early electrical recordings of great operatic singers from 1900 onwards. With music such as this I'd much rather have the poor recordings than not have the music at all.
Easier to cope with good content and less impressive recorded sound than it is to cope with demonstration sound for third rate music.
Ill have a listen to that on Spotify. Im listening to a couple of bands I seen on Jools Holland. Yeasayer and White Rabbits. A wee bit of Plan B and an old favourite album by Looper called 'The Geometrid'.
Nice to have a debate on here that stayed sensible and didnt end up in name calling!
Nice to have a debate on here that stayed sensible and didnt end up in name calling!
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bluecafe1:
I do agree Matthewpiano but not much point in having great content if its not sounding good?
Still disagree to an extent. Yes, it is much nicer if you get great content AND great sound but it just isn't going to happen.
It happens all the time. Examples, and i'm picking a cross genre selection...
1~ Damien Jurado's new album Saint Bartlett
2~ Burt Bacharach - The look of love
3~ Genesis - We can't dance
4~ Nick Cave and the badseeds - Nocturama
5~ Cornorshop - Judy Sucks a Lemon for breakfast
6~ Prefab Sprout - Jordan the Comeback
7~ The Low Anthem - Charlie Darwin
8~ Fleet Foxes - Fleet Foxes
9~ Thin Lizzy - Live and Dangerous
10~ Queen - A day at the races
11~ Ron Sexsmith - Ron Sexsmith
And I invite anybody who likes to hear great content and great sound on cd to listen to Taj Mahall's 'Maestro' album.
bluecafe1:
I do agree Matthewpiano but not much point in having great content if its not sounding good?
Still disagree to an extent. Yes, it is much nicer if you get great content AND great sound but it just isn't going to happen.
It happens all the time. Examples, and i'm picking a cross genre selection...
1~ Damien Jurado's new album Saint Bartlett
2~ Burt Bacharach - The look of love
3~ Genesis - We can't dance
4~ Nick Cave and the badseeds - Nocturama
5~ Cornorshop - Judy Sucks a Lemon for breakfast
6~ Prefab Sprout - Jordan the Comeback
7~ The Low Anthem - Charlie Darwin
8~ Fleet Foxes - Fleet Foxes
9~ Thin Lizzy - Live and Dangerous
10~ Queen - A day at the races
11~ Ron Sexsmith - Ron Sexsmith
And I invite anybody who likes to hear great content and great sound on cd to listen to Taj Mahall's 'Maestro' album.
Maturity is the name of the game buddy. I have the Yeasayer Album - it's great.
Must check out Looper and I know you haven't made that up so as to name call indescritely
Must check out Looper and I know you haven't made that up so as to name call indescritely
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Oh, I'm not saying it never happens just that it isn't going to happen consistently due to the variety of conditions in which music is recorded.
bluecafe1:Re: Recording Standard
bluecafe1:
I do agree Matthewpiano but not much point in having great content if its not sounding good?
Still disagree to an extent. Yes, it is much nicer if you get great content AND great sound but it just isn't going to happen.
It happens all the time. Examples, and i'm picking a cross genre selection...
1~ Damien Jurado's new album Saint Bartlett
2~ Burt Bacharach - The look of love
3~ Genesis - We can't dance
4~ Nick Cave and the badseeds - Nocturama
5~ Cornorshop - Judy Sucks a Lemon for breakfast
6~ Prefab Sprout - Jordan the Comeback
7~ The Low Anthem - Charlie Darwin
8~ Fleet Foxes - Fleet Foxes
9~ Thin Lizzy - Live and Dangerous
10~ Queen - A day at the races
11~ Ron Sexsmith - Ron Sexsmith
And I invite anybody who likes to hear great content and great sound on cd to listen to Taj Mahall's 'Maestro' album.
Are you talking about the original CDs here or a remaster? I have the Genesis and Thin Lizzy discs.
bluecafe1:
I do agree Matthewpiano but not much point in having great content if its not sounding good?
Still disagree to an extent. Yes, it is much nicer if you get great content AND great sound but it just isn't going to happen.
It happens all the time. Examples, and i'm picking a cross genre selection...
1~ Damien Jurado's new album Saint Bartlett
2~ Burt Bacharach - The look of love
3~ Genesis - We can't dance
4~ Nick Cave and the badseeds - Nocturama
5~ Cornorshop - Judy Sucks a Lemon for breakfast
6~ Prefab Sprout - Jordan the Comeback
7~ The Low Anthem - Charlie Darwin
8~ Fleet Foxes - Fleet Foxes
9~ Thin Lizzy - Live and Dangerous
10~ Queen - A day at the races
11~ Ron Sexsmith - Ron Sexsmith
And I invite anybody who likes to hear great content and great sound on cd to listen to Taj Mahall's 'Maestro' album.
Are you talking about the original CDs here or a remaster? I have the Genesis and Thin Lizzy discs.
Let's do as bobbyg81 and I did. Agree to disagree.
Music is a lifesaver and if it does it in it's own way for all concerned then we're all onto a winner
Music is a lifesaver and if it does it in it's own way for all concerned then we're all onto a winner
Originals all the way as in fairness a re-master of we can't dance just dosen't make sense. The sound is so good anyway
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bluecafe1:
Maturity is the name of the game buddy. I have the Yeasayer Album - it's great.
Must check out Looper and I know you haven't made that up so as to name call indescritely
Not at all. Its Stuarrt David from Belle and Sebastians side project.
BTW if you like good production have a listen to Roisin Murphys 'Overpowered' album. Great content and sounds amazing!
Maturity is the name of the game buddy. I have the Yeasayer Album - it's great.
Must check out Looper and I know you haven't made that up so as to name call indescritely
Not at all. Its Stuarrt David from Belle and Sebastians side project.
BTW if you like good production have a listen to Roisin Murphys 'Overpowered' album. Great content and sounds amazing!
I've got a stack of belle and sebastian cd's. There excellent. Love push bar to open old wounds. Not even paddy macaloon could come up with a name like that.
I quite like Belle and Sebastian aswell. Sukie in the graveyardbeing a personal favourite. Mull Historical Society are another good example of quirky pop music from Scotland. All from one man and his goat !
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As already suggested, there's much 'horses for courses' re recording techniques. For example, would The Clash's first album - knocked out during brief sessions over two weekends - have the same impact if it had the production values of DSOTM?
Conversely, Bryan Ferry, according to his session bassist, Guy Pratt, has never actually 'finished' an album in terms of mixing/mastering, it's always a case of the record co saying: "Enough, Bryan! We need to actually release it now..."
However, I would argue vociferously that a standard should be applied to recordings' volume levels. The most breathtaking recordings I've ever heard are Early Music guru Jordi Savall's - deeeep bass; sweet, detailed & pure treble; extraordinary separation & soundstage.
I'm not qualified to speculate as to the techniques that make Savall's recordings sound so jaw-droppingly awesome, but I have noticed that when listening to his stuff my amp is turned 10 clicks higher, even when compared to Turn Me Up!T-type recordings. Significant?
Conversely, Bryan Ferry, according to his session bassist, Guy Pratt, has never actually 'finished' an album in terms of mixing/mastering, it's always a case of the record co saying: "Enough, Bryan! We need to actually release it now..."
However, I would argue vociferously that a standard should be applied to recordings' volume levels. The most breathtaking recordings I've ever heard are Early Music guru Jordi Savall's - deeeep bass; sweet, detailed & pure treble; extraordinary separation & soundstage.
I'm not qualified to speculate as to the techniques that make Savall's recordings sound so jaw-droppingly awesome, but I have noticed that when listening to his stuff my amp is turned 10 clicks higher, even when compared to Turn Me Up!T-type recordings. Significant?
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As mentioned earlier it would be impossible to have a compulsory standard due to the financial restrictions of some producers / musicians...BUT...why not have an independent body that will stamp a certification on a recording if it is considered to reach a certain standard and maybe help companies reach that standard. A bit like THX certification for movies but geared to musical presentations
Perhaps a business idea for anyone out there who is well respected and recognised in the industry
EDIT: This might have already been done as it seems like such an obvious idea (not sure), but if it has it is not very well publicised and understood by the general public IMO.
Perhaps a business idea for anyone out there who is well respected and recognised in the industry
EDIT: This might have already been done as it seems like such an obvious idea (not sure), but if it has it is not very well publicised and understood by the general public IMO.
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JohnNewman:As mentioned earlier it would be impossible to have a compulsory standard due to the financial restrictions...
Agreed, but surely an across-the-board adherence to the Turn Me Up!T standard would cost now't?
BTW, liking the idea of a THX equivalent.
Agreed, but surely an across-the-board adherence to the Turn Me Up!T standard would cost now't?
BTW, liking the idea of a THX equivalent.
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6th.replicant:JohnNewman:As mentioned earlier it would be impossible to have a compulsory standard due to the financial restrictions...
Agreed, but surely an across-the-board adherence to the Turn Me Up!T standard would cost now't?
BTW, liking the idea of a THX equivalent.
Thanks
Someone must have at least attempted it as it seems so obvious! Just need a few people with the right ears and knowledge.
Agreed, but surely an across-the-board adherence to the Turn Me Up!T standard would cost now't?
BTW, liking the idea of a THX equivalent.
Thanks
Someone must have at least attempted it as it seems so obvious! Just need a few people with the right ears and knowledge.
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In hindsight, perhaps budgets, large or small, are not relevant re original recordings?
Some of my favourite CDs re SQ are Antony & The Johnsons', Rokia Traor‚'s, Mor Karbasi's and Portico Quartet's - none of whom enjoy a major label's largesse.
Furthermore, the OSTs for the Ashes and Snow exhibiton and the Chƒteau d'Azay-le-Rideau's Songes et LumiŠres have lush SQ, IMHO, yet both are very much in the cottage industry class.
Of course, with regard to remasters, the likes of Diament, Hoffman et al probably command a hefty fee. However, as far as original recordings are concerned, it's pretty clear that a THX-equivalent is needed asap?
Some of my favourite CDs re SQ are Antony & The Johnsons', Rokia Traor‚'s, Mor Karbasi's and Portico Quartet's - none of whom enjoy a major label's largesse.
Furthermore, the OSTs for the Ashes and Snow exhibiton and the Chƒteau d'Azay-le-Rideau's Songes et LumiŠres have lush SQ, IMHO, yet both are very much in the cottage industry class.
Of course, with regard to remasters, the likes of Diament, Hoffman et al probably command a hefty fee. However, as far as original recordings are concerned, it's pretty clear that a THX-equivalent is needed asap?
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AL13N:
Have a look at this. I've signed up myself.
Thanks for that link, I was a founding member.
Everyone with any interest in the quality of recorded music should read it !!!
9 out of 10 recent issues, new or remastered, are done to a very poor sound quality, at the final mastering stage - HiFi wise.
Like the link, above, says - everything is a war aimed at maximum volume.
Have a look at this. I've signed up myself.
Thanks for that link, I was a founding member.
Everyone with any interest in the quality of recorded music should read it !!!
9 out of 10 recent issues, new or remastered, are done to a very poor sound quality, at the final mastering stage - HiFi wise.
Like the link, above, says - everything is a war aimed at maximum volume.
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