GSV Ethics Gradient
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It could be argued that expecting it means you are likely to colour the result!
daveh75
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That old chestnut....
WayneKerr
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Gray
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If I didn't know you better I'd think that was a polite way of telling them to bug*** off 😆If you ever fancy an easier ride then over on the Wam forum you will find more like-minded individuals
It is true though, the Wam is more sympathetic to the magic of Voodoo.
Having said that, I've seen the non-believers being every bit as forthright with their views over there.
TrevC
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The deluded magic fantasists have taken over that forum, sadly. Any dissent is not tolerated.
Gray
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Yes, I've seen their warning about thread 'spoiling'.
Meaning that complete nonsense can be spouted - but must remain unchallenged.
TrevC
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Roby
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Cables can make a huge difference (certainly speaker cables)
I would say
first speaker cable
second interconnects
third power
It's really subjective, like most of things in this hobby. I always heard an read something arround 10% of the cost of your system for cables
More or less as long as it make you happy (arround that maybe a little more but hey maybe I'm crazy)
I would say
first speaker cable
second interconnects
third power
It's really subjective, like most of things in this hobby. I always heard an read something arround 10% of the cost of your system for cables
More or less as long as it make you happy
(arround that maybe a little more but hey maybe I'm crazy)
Gray
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Really Roby?
If you think speaker cables make a huge difference, you must be absolutely staggered at the differences between speakers themselves 🤔
podknocker
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These cable threads really make me smile. People think they hear a difference with fancy cables, but the world of materials science and physics has no explanation as to how this could happen. Cables don't make a difference.
Roby
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I wil be happy to invite you do the test at my place
I tested
Kimber
Siltech
Ah
Transparant (that I kept)
An a few other brands
WayneKerr
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podknocker
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I'll bring the snake oil!Right! It's all round Roby's gaff with our testing kit and ears
abacus
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Cables can make a huge difference (certainly speaker cables)
I would say
first speaker cable
second interconnects
third power
It's really subjective, like most of things in this hobby. I always heard an read something arround 10% of the cost of your system for cables
More or less as long as it make you happy
You did do a level matched double blind test when you heard the differences yes.
Bill
podknocker
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It is very easy to get carried away with your feelings, when you have a very attractive and expensive set of speaker cables in your hand. You convince yourself these cables are going to make a vast improvement to sound quality, because they are shiny and new and fit your lifestyle and become part of your personality and identity, along with furniture and clothing and gadgets etc. I use to think this and then my head reminded me what cables really are and how they work, passing charge from one end to the other. They are a conduit and no more. The materials cannot change the sound. There's nothing in the cable making a difference to the signal it's carrying. If it's well made and doesn't break, then it will serve its purpose. I bought pricey cables because they are very flexible ribbons and don't get tangled up. I also like the colour. They are well made and will outlast me. I know they can't make a difference to the sound. It is difficult to accept this, when you spend more and the sales jargon tells you the cables will make a vast difference. Many sites come up with no end of 'technical' attributes that sound impressive, until you actually realise it's just jargon, with no scientific merit whatsoever. Expensive cables have become a status symbol and almost a lifestyle in the tech community. It's become an echo chamber of geeky delusion and there is a sizeable cable 'clique' these days. It's absolute nonsense.
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To be fair though does anybody do blind tests when comparing CD players, Amplifiers etc ?
nothelle
Active member
just posted my take on cabling. I was not a believer in cable theories, but hearing is believing. Power cord was never on my radar, complete nonsense for me. Tried it, plugged it, hear it... what do you know, it does make a difference. Not all combination can make that difference, some too subtle to pick up, spend too much on cable but audio source is mediocre then it would not work. Best strategy, try it yourself, demo at dealer, borrow from friend....
GSV Ethics Gradient
Moderator
Whether he's right or wrong, of course he didn't - how
Manufacturers should do the equivalent, though.
Blind testing should be straightforward, but double blind in a domestic environment is asking too much.
Manufacturers should do the equivalent, though.
podknocker
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The differences in CD players can be huge. I remember listening to a Technics CD player, decades ago, in John Lewis and it sounded clean, crisp and detailed and had a nice 'bounce' to the sound. I then listened to a Sony CD player and it was dull and the bass was slow, booming and very exaggerated. It sounded dreadful and I bought the Technics. Never regretted it. There are more types of sound within CD players and amps, because of the number of parts required and the differences in speakers is huge, with the multitude of materials and designs on the market. The 2 meters of copper in a plastic type jacket doesn't have any ingredients that could change the information being carried.
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Roby
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Sorry I went to a dealer I was at the time still choosing my amp didn't get in to cables choice at the time, didn't even know it could matter.
I said to the salesman it's good but I'm missing something it's a little flat. I don't know what cable was used before or after the change (speaker cable ) so no shinny expensive influence, but there it was rythme musicality enjoyment the amp was a Lavardin speakers where sonus faber guenarri memento
So don't tell mee cables don't affect the sound
podknocker
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I am telling you they don't, because there is no way physics can provide a reason this can happen. We'll have to agree to disagree and I certainly won't be looking at overhyped and overpriced cables for my system.
GSV Ethics Gradient
Moderator
If only those could be the last words uttered here about cables...
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