guys im on the verge of buying one , i currently have a samsung 46b650 , but i can change for another 160euros , here in ireland thats a great price (1160euros) the sammy cost me 1k , i am very happy with the samsung , lovely sharp hd picture , good blacks too , but not the actual detail in dark scenes that i would like , i cant really tell if the panny mentioned would be a big improvement in this area in the store under bright lighting , and i presume the panny may not have such a sharp detailed picture as the sammy has in normal , non dark scenes , if this is the case , i wont mind if the panny is markedly better at displaying details in dark scenes (like the kuro) , seeing as you have reviewed the 42g10 , could you give me your opinion on weather it would be much better in this regard , than the usual non led lcds ?? because thats the only reason id spend the xtra dough ... please help ....ta...
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well i was looking at the philips 9664 and the sonys but possible clouding problem so sony was out then had a look at the philips and it was great really good detail and price didnt really put me off. then when finally got bonus through was commited to buy the philips but just thought i would have a quick look online at some offers.
Which was very rewarding because i came across an offer for a 46g10 for £749. So checked reviews which where good, then checked with the lady and she said ok so. It comes tuesday. VERY HAPPY and no clouding bonus.
Which was very rewarding because i came across an offer for a 46g10 for £749. So checked reviews which where good, then checked with the lady and she said ok so. It comes tuesday. VERY HAPPY and no clouding bonus.
I'm not sure why the Panasonic 'G10 is the TV you've become particularly interested in, but unless it's a significant step-up from the 'G15, it's not the 46in telly I'd choose. If it's specifically insight into blacks that you're after, a Sony or Philips is probably your best bet.
Sonys like the KDL-46W5500 and KDL-46Z5500 offer probably the best combination of black depth and insight in the category, but you have to take a good look at the set before you buy to make sure it doesn't suffer from the dreaded clouded backlight.
The Philips 47PFL7404 doesn't go as black as the Sonys or your Samsung, but its insight is very impressive.
Of course, the Samsung UE46B8000 is a better all-rounder than any of the TVs mentioned above, and is itself not short of black detail.
Most importantly, though, I wouldn't have thought the Panasonic 'G10 was the right choice for you.
Not that there's anything wrong with the Panasonic, impulsive, especially at that price, but I'm not sure it's worth the upgrade for maxflinn.
Sonys like the KDL-46W5500 and KDL-46Z5500 offer probably the best combination of black depth and insight in the category, but you have to take a good look at the set before you buy to make sure it doesn't suffer from the dreaded clouded backlight.
The Philips 47PFL7404 doesn't go as black as the Sonys or your Samsung, but its insight is very impressive.
Of course, the Samsung UE46B8000 is a better all-rounder than any of the TVs mentioned above, and is itself not short of black detail.
Most importantly, though, I wouldn't have thought the Panasonic 'G10 was the right choice for you.
Not that there's anything wrong with the Panasonic, impulsive, especially at that price, but I'm not sure it's worth the upgrade for maxflinn.
Hang on how may stars have you given the g10. Im assuming you scored it knowing it was a plasma and if a plasma did not have strong black detail then it isnt really worthy of 5 stars. Hmmm oh one more thing just noticed 1 thing. how much more xpensive r these compared to the afomentioned budget.
The 42in G10 is worthy of five stars at the price, certainly - but Tom's point is that you can buy better for more money, plus he's discussing 46in sets, not 42in.
All our ratings are on a performance-per-pound basis: by those standards, the Panasonic remains a strong bargain buy in its size class.
All our ratings are on a performance-per-pound basis: by those standards, the Panasonic remains a strong bargain buy in its size class.
Hi impulsive,
I wrote my first post while you were writing yours, then edited while you were posting your reply! But yes, at £749 the 'G10 sounds like a steal. We haven't actually reviewed it yet (sorry if that wasn't clear from the original post), but other than networking it should be pretty much identical to the 'G15. We've actually just given the 'G15 four stars at £1080, so assuming my performance assumptions are correct, the 'G10 would certainly be worth five stars at £749.
I'm not sure about the prices in Ireland, but you're right, the other TVs I've mentioned could be over-budget.
I wrote my first post while you were writing yours, then edited while you were posting your reply! But yes, at £749 the 'G10 sounds like a steal. We haven't actually reviewed it yet (sorry if that wasn't clear from the original post), but other than networking it should be pretty much identical to the 'G15. We've actually just given the 'G15 four stars at £1080, so assuming my performance assumptions are correct, the 'G10 would certainly be worth five stars at £749.
I'm not sure about the prices in Ireland, but you're right, the other TVs I've mentioned could be over-budget.
hi clare just read my reply sounds a little cocky appologies to the team. all i meant was in the review of the g10 42 and 50 it does not mention blacks being not the best. it says motion is very good but not top of the tree which is a fair comment. But when you review a plasma im sure you know better than me that a plasmas selling point is it blacks. And ur reviews BLACKS this.
I personally like the sony lcd but did see clouding and realy put me off. Then was going for the philips.
But saw a offer on a 46g10 and thought pound for pound yeah i will have that as i will only be whatching bluerays on it and gaming the extra size is a bonus.
I personally like the sony lcd but did see clouding and realy put me off. Then was going for the philips.
But saw a offer on a 46g10 and thought pound for pound yeah i will have that as i will only be whatching bluerays on it and gaming the extra size is a bonus.
HI tom. I just replied while u posted but yeah at the price as i said and how u review pound for pound i thought cant say no. I think your right about the g15 the only difference i have seen is the networking. thanks for the speedy replies.
impulsive, no apology necessary - we get a lot worse!
I think it's worth remembering that maxflinn said his priority was insight into blacks, rather than black depth - very different things!
I think it's worth remembering that maxflinn said his priority was insight into blacks, rather than black depth - very different things!
Hi tom that is a good point. But i have read maxflinns other post ( GOOD OLD FASHIONED SERVICE) anyway if you read it he has mentioned that he doesnt want to spend any extra money but the shop has said they will price match the g10 for his previous set.
thanks for the reply tom ,clare, ill explain my situation , up until 3 weeks ago i had a panasonic plasma 46pz8b i think , last years poverty spec 1080p model , 15000 to 1 contrast ratio , nice tv , blacks were ok , insight not bad , anyway it kicked the bucket , i got a 950euro credit note , added 50euro and last friday took home a samsung 46b650 for a grand , a good price here in ireland, after much tweaking i got a nice picture on all sources ,however i just wasnt sure i made the right choice , the 46g10 was 1350 which was out of my budget otherwise id have got one , the shop had no 46inch sonys or 47inch philips , unless i downsized to 40-42inch my choices were limited to the two mentioned ..
anyway i phoned the store on saturday (d.i.d. electrical waterford) and said the sammy may not be what i really want , to my surprise they offered to take it back , and give me a 46g10 for another 160euros , 1160total is very fair , the cheapest i could find it anywhere is 1350euros , so my dillema is keep the sammy or take the panny , which having a 40000 to 1 contrast ratio i assumed would be very good at displaying detail in dark scenes , better than the samsung i thought ??, or would it have better black depth ??or both ?? i always assumed (maybe wrongly) that plasmas handled dark movie scenes better , i could ask the store to source me a philips 46pfl7404 or sony w5500 , i normally watch tv , movies with no lights on , and am looking for the most cinematic picture (if that makes sense) not necesarrily the sharpest picture , and felt the panny might be the best bet ... any thoughts ?? thanks ...
anyway i phoned the store on saturday (d.i.d. electrical waterford) and said the sammy may not be what i really want , to my surprise they offered to take it back , and give me a 46g10 for another 160euros , 1160total is very fair , the cheapest i could find it anywhere is 1350euros , so my dillema is keep the sammy or take the panny , which having a 40000 to 1 contrast ratio i assumed would be very good at displaying detail in dark scenes , better than the samsung i thought ??, or would it have better black depth ??or both ?? i always assumed (maybe wrongly) that plasmas handled dark movie scenes better , i could ask the store to source me a philips 46pfl7404 or sony w5500 , i normally watch tv , movies with no lights on , and am looking for the most cinematic picture (if that makes sense) not necesarrily the sharpest picture , and felt the panny might be the best bet ... any thoughts ?? thanks ...
Aha! A bit of background and it all starts to make sense!
Samsung's tellies tend to have comparatively tinted panels. These increase black depth, but can (though not always) cost you some insight. I think you've done the best thing here - you've managed to properly try out a TV, at home, and decided that it's not for you.
Given that you've had a Panasonic before and got on well with it (except for the whole kicking-the-bucket thing), and that the 'G10 is being made available to you with such a big discount, it seems like a sensible choice.
My guess (as I've said, we've not reviewed this specific one) is that it will look a little less black due to less tinting, but will probably have a little more insight into dark scenes.
It may be worth having a look at our review of the TX-P46G15 - as mentioned elsewhere, the only difference between this and the 'G10 spec-wise is networking. There's no guarantee the two sets will perform the same, but it seems more likely than usual.
Anyway, here it is: http://www.whathifi.com/Review/Panasonic-TX-P46G15/
Samsung's tellies tend to have comparatively tinted panels. These increase black depth, but can (though not always) cost you some insight. I think you've done the best thing here - you've managed to properly try out a TV, at home, and decided that it's not for you.
Given that you've had a Panasonic before and got on well with it (except for the whole kicking-the-bucket thing), and that the 'G10 is being made available to you with such a big discount, it seems like a sensible choice.
My guess (as I've said, we've not reviewed this specific one) is that it will look a little less black due to less tinting, but will probably have a little more insight into dark scenes.
It may be worth having a look at our review of the TX-P46G15 - as mentioned elsewhere, the only difference between this and the 'G10 spec-wise is networking. There's no guarantee the two sets will perform the same, but it seems more likely than usual.
Anyway, here it is: http://www.whathifi.com/Review/Panasonic-TX-P46G15/
tom thanks for the reply , much appreciated , i have just one more question , could you explain "black depth" and would the plasma have more ??
I was wondering what the difference between "black depth" and "insight into blacks" was. I assume black depth simply means how black the black levels are, whilst the insight bit, I guess, is the level of detail and the shades within black/dark scenes. Is that right?
On a side note, I noticed that my v10 produces really good blacks, but after the first 200 hours or so when I increased the contrast from about 35% to 60%, the different shades within black scenes became more visible, and it produced greater detail within dark scenes. So the moral of that story is crank up the contrast. (but not too high - don't want it looking like it would on the dynamic setting!)
On a side note, I noticed that my v10 produces really good blacks, but after the first 200 hours or so when I increased the contrast from about 35% to 60%, the different shades within black scenes became more visible, and it produced greater detail within dark scenes. So the moral of that story is crank up the contrast. (but not too high - don't want it looking like it would on the dynamic setting!)
i saw about a half hour of "alien v predator , requiem" on a friends kuro , useless film imo, but a great test for insight in dark scenes , needless to say , the kuro aced it , showling much more detail than i recall seeing on my tv , at the time , a 46pz8b ..
now , seeing as this years g10, v10 plasmas have very good blacks ,40000to1 contrast ratio , as opposed to my old pannys 15000to1 im hoping they will deal with similar dark murky movies better , like the kuro (i know , not as well , but closer) , thats what i think i value most in a tv , they can all do the bright scenes well , most current 1080p sets anyway , most seem to have good blacks , black depth too ( i also understand that to be what you do hmtb , the inkyness if you like) judging by reviews and what ive seen , but to be able to see more of whats going on in a dark scene (aka the kuro) without too much brightness , is what i think im looking for , im hoping the g10 will fit the bill ....
now , seeing as this years g10, v10 plasmas have very good blacks ,40000to1 contrast ratio , as opposed to my old pannys 15000to1 im hoping they will deal with similar dark murky movies better , like the kuro (i know , not as well , but closer) , thats what i think i value most in a tv , they can all do the bright scenes well , most current 1080p sets anyway , most seem to have good blacks , black depth too ( i also understand that to be what you do hmtb , the inkyness if you like) judging by reviews and what ive seen , but to be able to see more of whats going on in a dark scene (aka the kuro) without too much brightness , is what i think im looking for , im hoping the g10 will fit the bill ....
thats it , my mind is made up , the g10 it is , hopefully it will be someway "kuroesque" , i must have read 200 reviews in the past week , i just put out the rubbish and thought to myself "hmmm , those binliners have good black depth" ...
yep , ive o.d. on hd ...
thanks for the help folks...
yep , ive o.d. on hd ...
thanks for the help folks...
'Black depth' = proper black blacks
'Insight into blacks' = shadow depth, textures in black surfaces, etc
At least that's how I understand it...
'Insight into blacks' = shadow depth, textures in black surfaces, etc
At least that's how I understand it...
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