Put all my Movies on NAS drive

[The_Lhc]

canada16:In fact, I have never really heard of people getting charged for downloading, and if there is, its very very few.

Seriously? You want to pay more attention to the news...

Its mainly the people who upload the stuff they want to stop...

With torrent-based file-sharing there's no difference, once you download something you're automatically making it available to other people (unless you leech).

Millions and millions of people download music and movies everyday, its impossible to go after the small home user.

Really, it isn't impossible, there have been plenty of court cases in this country and in the US.

 

[Andrew Everard]

canada16:In fact, I work for trading standards...

If you do, then you're taking a very irresponsible position, and one on which I expect your employers will frown.

 

[Anonymous]

I know it is illegal to download/rip etc a dvd or bd, but I think it's also part of the copyright that you can't sell it on (am I correct?). In that case trading in at a place like CEX is also illegal and it is against copyright for them to resell?. Unless thay have an agreement to pass on some form of royalty.

Also when it comes to illegally downloading music. we know it damages the music industry. Surley as far as the copyright owner is concered buying a secondhand cd from second hand shop or car boot sale does not put back any money into the industry either. Is it really any less ethical then?. Just a question not wanting to start a war of words.

 

[Andrew Everard]

No-one has any problems with you selling discs of any kind you no longer require. The problem occurs when you make a copy of the content on that disc and then sell it on.

 

[Anonymous]

No dont work for trading standards. . But I feel for the people that feel the need to do this

There are some that cant get to movies, and why or why cant they sell the movies on-line for like 5.00, surley that would make a killing.

On a 13meg connection I can download a file quite quick, But there are server sites were the movies could just be held. and people could buy or rent the cinema movie, I assume you could nto buy.

But I for one, would pay 5.00 to see a cinema movie in my own home.

Why dont they do something like that I bet there would be far less piracy

 

[Andrew Everard]

canada16:There are some that cant get to movies, and why or why cant they sell the movies on-line for like 5.00, surley that would make a killing.

On a 13meg connection I can download a file quite quick, But there are server sites were the movies could just be held. and people could buy or rent the cinema movie, I assume you could nto buy.

But I for one, would pay 5.00 to see a cinema movie in my own home.

Why dont they do something like that I bet there would be far less piracy

What, like iTunes you mean? Or LoveFilm? Or Blockbuster? Or Qriocity? Or...?

It's an intriguing business idea you have there, c16 - but for those reasons, I'm out...

 

[Clare Newsome]

Plus, whether it's going into your local supermarket or buying online (Amazon, Play etc), you can easily pick up DVD movies for under a fiver - and recent titles, too

It's typically only three months now between a film being released on cinema and it coming out on Blu-ray - and then just weeks for it to be avaialble as a bargain title.

They'll be far better quality than most downloads (certainly the dodgy ones) and you can play them as many times as you like, on your TV, your laptop etc etc etc....

 

[The_Lhc]

canada16:No dont work for trading standards. . But I feel for the people that feel the need to do this

What, work for Trading Standards? It wouldn't be my first choice of a career granted but I don't think they really need our sympathy do they? If you'd said Traffic Wardens, then sure...

There are some that cant get to movies, and why or why cant they sell the movies on-line for like 5.00, surley that would make a killing.

On a 13meg connection I can download a file quite quick, But there are server sites were the movies could just be held. and people could buy or rent the cinema movie, I assume you could nto buy.

But I for one, would pay 5.00 to see a cinema movie in my own home.

Why dont they do something like that I bet there would be far less piracy

Lovefilm, Blockbuster, Bueller, Bueller...?

 

[Anonymous]

Andrew Everard:No-one has any problems with you selling discs of any kind you no longer require. The problem occurs when you make a copy of the content on that disc and then sell it on.

I see. I just wondered as this copyright malarky can seem to get very complicated.

I know that the games indusrty do not like the idea of a second hand games market and have introduced some measures to attempt to combat it.

 

[Anonymous]

Not 1 single case has gone to court in the UK.

That law firm ACS who were issuing demands for £500 or threatening to take people to court are now in trouble with the courts themselves.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12253746

 

[Andrew Everard]

TechMad:That law firm ACS who were issuing demands for £500 or threatening to take people to court are now in trouble with the courts themselves.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12253746

Interesting bit of spinmanship: ever thought of taking up politics?

 

[Anonymous]

Of course downloading stuff over the internet - that u dont own - is not the same as backing up your own dvds.

People downloading movies over the internet are asking for trouble. The only exception I'd make to this is if the movie in question is no longer available and the copyright has lapsed.

 

[Anonymous]

I didnt mean rent dvd's I know you can do this, I mean rent cinema movies.

So I dont have to wait 3 months before it hits dvd.

I dont see why they dont do this, I think its a good idea. rent cinema movies at home, like sky blockbuster, but with cinema movies.

 

[John Duncan]

What, and destroy cinemas at a stroke?

 

[The_Lhc]

I expect the cinemas might have something to say about that, any such idea would pretty effectively kill them and make piracy MUCH more likely.

 

[Clare Newsome]

Some studios have tried releasing films to DVD/movie-on-demand/download services at the same time as releasing them in cinemas, but it typically hasn't worked well.

A movie builds up momentum from pre-release (previews; early reviews; marketing) through to cinema release (critics' reviews; peer reviews - eg friends/family seeing it; more marketing) and then onto disc release and again when a movie is shown on TV.

Studios balance those (massive) marketing budgets against that lifetime of a movie, with many blockbuster titles only making their money back well into that flow (overseas cinema releases; disc sales; TV rights etc).

Cutting away that cinema layer, that gives the film both key exposure AND massive box-office income (fuelling yet more marketing spend to push the movie to its profit goal) would strangle many productions.

 

[Anonymous]

Hum never thought of that.

They make too much from the popcorn and pop to let that happen

 

[visionary]

Andrew Everard:No-one has any problems with you selling discs of any kind you no longer require. The problem occurs when you make a copy of the content on that disc and then sell it on.

What about the "multiple format" availability though. Can I keep the digital copy and sell on the blu-ray and DVD? Think that's the industry muddying the waters itself

 

[Alec]

Andrew Everard:When you no longer own the CD, you have no right to keep the content, and you are supporting piracy just as much as you do when you download from one of those illegal torrent sites.

How so?

 

[micks_address]

id see some argument for the case that you at least paid once for the content... by purchasing the cd in the first place.. if you sold it on you probably got a lot less for it.. it has to be better than just downloading the content for free from the internet

 

[Andrew Everard]

al7478:Andrew Everard:When you no longer own the CD, you have no right to keep the content, and you are supporting piracy just as much as you do when you download from one of those illegal torrent sites.

How so?

Because again it's a matter of you not owning the music: you own the physical carrier, and with it the right to enjoy the content stored on it. When you sell the physical carrier, you no longer have the right to enjoy the music.

 

[scene]

There have been a number of prosecutions in the UK, but only against people trading in illegally copied DVDs (IIRC). In the US, things are different and a number of individuals have been prosecuted for illegally downloading copyrighted material - both music and movies. I think part of the issue in the UK (and Europe) is the complex nature of copyright laws - which is partly due to their long and tortuous history. Calls have been made (in the European Parliament) for a European copyright law: "[The Parliament] is of the opinion that the possibility of proceeding against infringers of intellectual property rights should be created in the European legal framework." If such a law was created, prosecutions against individual downloaders or copiers might occur.

Also, it should be remembered that in England and Wales, under Common Law incitement to commit a crime is an offence, and any one openly encouraging someone to illegally download or copy music or movies is inciting someone to commit a crime... So as Andrew, Clare, and others have said: The copying of DVDs and CDs is illegal in this country and in no way would they encourage anyone to do so and nor should anyone else.

 

[Alec]

Andrew Everard:al7478:Andrew Everard:When you no longer own the CD, you have no right to keep the content, and you are supporting piracy just as much as you do when you download from one of those illegal torrent sites.

How so?

Because again it's a matter of you not owning the music: you own the physical carrier, and with it the right to enjoy the content stored on it. When you sell the physical carrier, you no longer have the right to enjoy the music.

But does it make me a pirate or encourage anyone else to be one?

 

[Alec]

The matter is a bit more nuanced with CDs, Scene, as discussed in this thread.

 

[scene]

al7478:The matter is a bit more nuanced with CDs, Scene, as discussed in this thread.
I realise with CDs it is even more complicated, I was mainly referring to music and movie downloads and DVD (and Blu Ray) copying - just slightly sloppily written (I should know better!). I realise that the lack of encryption, various precedents regarding backup copies, etc. means that CD copying is no longer such a black and white area...