Power cable

[Gazzip]

It's sad that always the same 2-3 guys try to help. I raised this question to Cambridge Audio as I also plan to buy a power cable in a similar price range if it makes difference. When they answer me, I will post it.

Personally, I'd concentrate on getting the basics of your system sorted first before looking at cables/accessories.

Couldn't agree more. Something I also said 358 posts ago! *biggrin*

 

[Gazzip]

Sorry, I don't understand perfectly. What would you change?

The OP's hifi system consists:

Cambridge CXA80, Monitor Audio RX6 and Pro-ject Debut Carbon USB

I would spend some money on improving the turntable before I splashed the cash on wire. Don't get me wrong the Debut Carbon is okay and I used to own one, but it is not exactly the final word in refinement.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Ok had 2 hours of listening to power cables and power cable blocks and thanks to seemorebtts for coming round mine and taking the time to show me the cables I hope you wife goes easy on you top bloke

we tried everything from a £35 power cord up to £1000 power cord and my feelings are that I felt out of all of the power cords the £35 power cord made a small little difference to the sound and what I mean by this is the sound sounded a little cleaner and I mean a little .

when we tried the expensive power cords yes it changed the sound but for the worse I felt the music sounded restricted and was not so loud and lost its sound stage but how a power cable can do this I do not know .

so with the copper-line alpha one power cable which starts at £35 and the use of the copper-line alpha power -hub which starting price is £90 but there are extras to add if you wish it made a very small improvement on my hifi but a very small one .

i would have to order both and try them out for longer to be 100% sure it was a improvement or not it's a hard one as it's not a night and day improvement just a very small one and that's my honest opinion

 

[Frank Harvey]

@Blacksabbath - are you ready to be told you're wrong? 🙂

Thanks for taking the time to try them out and post up here.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

@Blacksabbath - are you ready to be told you're wrong? 🙂

[/quote i know ... i am just trying to help the op and to see for myself

 

[Gazzip]

The cable i am referring to as suggested by another poster is only available in the UK from one supplier :

http://www.renaissanceaudio.co.uk/

So no distribution issues - single outlet.

Hmmm... Another of your ill founded statements. I purchased my Studio Connections cables from Sonata Hifi in London, one of the six approved suppliers in the UK. Renaissance are the distributor.

Hi,

I updated the text - Davidf has responded - so, a simple mistake, not ill founded.

Regards,

Shadders.

You've been making quite a number of those lately where it supports your standpoint.

Hi,

Please list the mistakes. The one above in this thread, where are the others - thanks.

I am happy to correct or admit i am wrong.

The video (as per djellis) of the new scientific phenomena has yet to be provided. Without that video - i cannot respond to the issue of what the detail of this scientific phenomena is. As such - is this a mistake ??. Who knows. *biggrin*

Regards,

Shadders.

Well to start with, making up a story about a man on the edge, losing his wife and with debts to service, who started a rip off cable manufacturing business in cahoots with his industry professional friends. I would be feeling a bit of a **** about that one.

 

[Gazzip]

@Blacksabbath - are you ready to be told you're wrong? 🙂

[/quote i know ... i am just trying to help the op and to see for myself

Glad you had fun and were able to draw some meaningful conclusions. You will be told you imagined it so fair play for posting your findings sir!

 

[shadders]

The cable i am referring to as suggested by another poster is only available in the UK from one supplier :

http://www.renaissanceaudio.co.uk/

So no distribution issues - single outlet.

Hmmm... Another of your ill founded statements. I purchased my Studio Connections cables from Sonata Hifi in London, one of the six approved suppliers in the UK. Renaissance are the distributor.

Hi,

I updated the text - Davidf has responded - so, a simple mistake, not ill founded.

Regards,

Shadders.

You've been making quite a number of those lately where it supports your standpoint.

Hi,

Please list the mistakes. The one above in this thread, where are the others - thanks.

I am happy to correct or admit i am wrong.

The video (as per djellis) of the new scientific phenomena has yet to be provided. Without that video - i cannot respond to the issue of what the detail of this scientific phenomena is. As such - is this a mistake ??. Who knows. *biggrin*

Regards,

Shadders.

Well to start with, making up a story about a man on the edge, losing his wife and with debts to service, who started a rip off cable manufacturing business in cahoots with his industry professional friends. I would be feeling a bit of a **** about that one.

Hi,

They are your statements not mine. I stated facts, you inferred what you want. I stated nothing about debts. Perhaps he is already well off and wanted more. I stated nothing about losing his wife - he may have left her, it may be mutual. You are raising these issues, not me - again - i stated the facts.

Anyone would raise the possibility of conflict of interest - rather than just accept everything as it is.

Ask yourself this - it costs £3,800 for a 2metre section of speaker cable, you want 1metre more - you don't pay £1,900 (which is half the cost of 2 metres - you pay £2,400 which is an extra £500.

Why are you paying £500 more than needed ?. Don't forget this is for a single speaker cable run.

This £500 - what is it for - high powered laser to cut the cable ?, special gold cutters that need resharpenig ?. The extra effort of measuring that extra metre ??? *biggrin*

As i stated- i presented facts with one circumstantial statement - it is you that are making up the personal scenarios to go with those facts.

Regards,

Shadders.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

I think what the dakchi has got to do is buy a cheaper power cord to try out to see for himself then at least if he hears no difference to the sound he can send the cable back .

but each of us are different in what we hear so it maybe different experience for someone else or dakchi it's a hard one .

 

[seemorebtts]

Ok had 2 hours of listening to power cables and power cable blocks and thanks to seemorebtts for coming round mine and taking the time to show me the cables I hope you wife goes easy on you top bloke 

we tried everything from a £35 power cord up to £1000 power cord and my feelings are that I felt out of all of the power cords the £35 power cord made a small little difference to the sound and what I mean by this is the sound sounded a little cleaner and I mean a little .

when we tried the expensive power cords yes it changed the sound but for the worse I felt the music sounded restricted and was not so loud and lost its sound stage but how a power cable can do this I do not know .

so with the copper-line alpha one power cable which starts at £35 and the use of the copper-line alpha power -hub which starting price is £90 but there are extras to add if you wish it made a very small improvement on my hifi but a very small one .

i would have to order both and try them out for longer to be 100% sure it was a improvement or not it's a hard one as it's not a night and day improvement just a very small one and that's my honest opinion 

she's not taking too me but hay it was worth it.very nice to meet black Sabbath and his lovely system.it was an ear opener for me.very surprised that the cheapest one was well i think a good upgrade but as you said not night and day.i hope one day you can come round mine and do the same again 🙂

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Ok had 2 hours of listening to power cables and power cable blocks and thanks to seemorebtts for coming round mine and taking the time to show me the cables I hope you wife goes easy on you top bloke

we tried everything from a £35 power cord up to £1000 power cord and my feelings are that I felt out of all of the power cords the £35 power cord made a small little difference to the sound and what I mean by this is the sound sounded a little cleaner and I mean a little .

when we tried the expensive power cords yes it changed the sound but for the worse I felt the music sounded restricted and was not so loud and lost its sound stage but how a power cable can do this I do not know .

so with the copper-line alpha one power cable which starts at £35 and the use of the copper-line alpha power -hub which starting price is £90 but there are extras to add if you wish it made a very small improvement on my hifi but a very small one .

i would have to order both and try them out for longer to be 100% sure it was a improvement or not it's a hard one as it's not a night and day improvement just a very small one and that's my honest opinion

she's not taking too me but hay it was worth it.very nice to meet black Sabbath and his lovely system.it was an ear opener for me.very surprised that the cheapest one was well i think a good upgrade but as you said not night and day.i hope one day you can come round mine and do the same again 🙂

yep love to hear your setup mate i hope i have not got you into too much trouble with the wife it was worth it .

 

[Andrewjvt]

Are also to blame along with the shameless reviewers and money hungry marketing team preying on genuine music lovers.

Hahahaha

 

[Vladimir]

I'm pretty sure that if we didn't have this thread going so Black auditioned those cables in a more casual pretext, he would have heard the expected improvement from the more expensive cables. Expectation bias is a toss up, can go either way, not necessarily towards the positive.

Interesting documented phenomenon. When we present our hifi system for others to audition it, to us it sounds worse than it usually does. Probably we get anxious and critical.

We cannot separate our senses, preknowledge and biases from one another and listen objectively one at a time. Only way to do it is with the help of measuring tools and double-blind tests. You cannot 'JUST LISTEN', it bloody doesn't work that way and if you think it does, your biology teacher probably had nice legs and you should have been paying attention at the blackboard.

 

[Vladimir]

Are also to blame along with the shameless reviewers and money hungry marketing team preying on genuine music lovers.

Hahahaha

 

[dakchi]

Thank you Blacksabbath25 for sharing the results of your test. The conclusion seems that it is not worth it to buy a new power cable. At the best, it will improve just a little the sound. I think I will keep my money and invest in new speakers. I have the B&W CM9 S2 under my radar. I hope the cambridge cxa80 will be enough to drive them

 

[muljao]

Thank you Blacksabbath25 for sharing the results of your test. The conclusion seems that it is not worth it to buy a new power cable. At the best, it will improve just a little the sound. I think I will keep my money and invest in new speakers. I have the B&W CM9 S2 under my radar. I hope the cambridge cxa80 will be enough to drive them

The Cambridge audio will drive them fine if you use the right cable

🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

 

[ellisdj]

I have been out to friends for dinner. 54 posts just gone through.
I will post up the link to the video when I csn shadders.

What cables did you test and what hubs?

 

[Vladimir]

And they drop down to 3 ohms. Better get a good amp.

 

[ellisdj]

Done this on my phone so sorry its a full link

https://youtu.be/ITkuBgFtTjs

 

[ellisdj]

Done this on my phone so sorry its a full link

https://youtu.be/ITkuBgFtTjs

 

[Vladimir]

Done this on my phone so sorry its a full link

https://youtu.be/ITkuBgFtTjs

Oh, I love this guy!

/*popcorn activated*/

 

[Andrewjvt]

Thank you Blacksabbath25 for sharing the results of your test. The conclusion seems that it is not worth it to buy a new power cable. At the best, it will improve just a little the sound. I think I will keep my money and invest in new speakers. I have the B&W CM9 S2 under my radar. I hope the cambridge cxa80 will be enough to drive them

My job is done
Now ill retire for the evening

Thats a wise move.
Better speakers

Oh - someone on avforums wants to know which speaker cable for his q acoustics 2020i qed or chord.
Quick lets get over fast

 

[Vladimir]

Notice how people keep cracking beers cans during his whole presentation.

 

[Andrewjvt]

Its good marketing hype for the gullible.

 

[ellisdj]

Lead engineer at furman for 16 years and a professional jazz musician.

Obviously you know more than him Andrew

Edit its hyperbole yet he proves everything he says in his demos that are recoreded and you can hear it on the recording hmmm obviously all hyperbole. 2 patents awarded for the work hmmmm hyperbole.