wow doug thats some statement...........i mean i love my technics but currently got it for sale on auction site as i need some cash and didnt really want to buy another second hand sl1200/10 so spent yesterday looking for a suitable replacement..........so the pioneer popped up which to me looks dead classy plus also the audiotechnica lp1240 caught my eye too, which got a very good four start rating from whfi and can be had for a bit cheaper too.............i must admit though that the loose arm on the pioneer is a bit of an off put, but thanks for your reply, will look at the vinyl engine................cheers mate............ps if my technics doesnt sell do you think i should keep it then and not bother with the pioneer or audio technica?