My Cousin thinks this Pioneer will be the New WHF reference player.
Its got the make up to be very good - very high quality El Core transformer and segregated construction - all very good.
£600 seem reasonable but appears a lot for a Blu ray when £200 or less models dominate the market
I edited this after seeing the price, I expected a £1000+ and then saw this http://www.spatialonline.co.uk/pioneer-bdp-lx88-blu-ray-player.html. The think only the 88 will have the El Core transformer etc. Be a probable bad boy
Will be interesting as players with proper power supplies are very limited.
I might be tempted to get a home demo to put against my self modded UD7007 - last I saw of it was looking incredible - however only got 1 night (the internal solid silver ac cable I installed needs time to run in) befoire had to pack away for building works.
I bought a cheap panny BDT330 to cover me while I waited for the new power supply for my Marantz (blew the old up) and to be honest I thought the picture quality was detailed and the player very fast in action - but the image was dull, flat and lifeless compared to my Marantz - had no pop at all. So I still stand by there being differences in players but appreciate this is the minority view
Its got the make up to be very good - very high quality El Core transformer and segregated construction - all very good.
£600 seem reasonable but appears a lot for a Blu ray when £200 or less models dominate the market
I edited this after seeing the price, I expected a £1000+ and then saw this http://www.spatialonline.co.uk/pioneer-bdp-lx88-blu-ray-player.html. The think only the 88 will have the El Core transformer etc. Be a probable bad boy
Will be interesting as players with proper power supplies are very limited.
I might be tempted to get a home demo to put against my self modded UD7007 - last I saw of it was looking incredible - however only got 1 night (the internal solid silver ac cable I installed needs time to run in) befoire had to pack away for building works.
I bought a cheap panny BDT330 to cover me while I waited for the new power supply for my Marantz (blew the old up) and to be honest I thought the picture quality was detailed and the player very fast in action - but the image was dull, flat and lifeless compared to my Marantz - had no pop at all. So I still stand by there being differences in players but appreciate this is the minority view
Eye Candy make Gel get his credit card out
http://www.areadvd.de/tests/ifa-2014-pioneer-zeigt-unversalplayer-bdp-lx88-highend-mehrkanalverstaerker-sc-lx88-und-n-70a-netzwerkplayer/
http://www.areadvd.de/tests/ifa-2014-pioneer-zeigt-unversalplayer-bdp-lx88-highend-mehrkanalverstaerker-sc-lx88-und-n-70a-netzwerkplayer/
These are beasts:
http://www.areadvd.de/news/ifa-neue-pioneer-high-end-blu-ray-disc-player-bdp-lx58-bdp-lx88/
9kg the cheaper one at £600 and 14kg for the £1300 one.
http://www.areadvd.de/news/ifa-neue-pioneer-high-end-blu-ray-disc-player-bdp-lx58-bdp-lx88/
9kg the cheaper one at £600 and 14kg for the £1300 one.
bigboss
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bigboss said:
WHF claims though Pioneer AV has been sold to Onkyo both brands will still run. Don't know how true that is but saw it on twitter.
Yep, here too:Glacialpath said:
http://andreweverard.com/2014/09/12/first-kuro-now-receivers-and-blu-ray-players-pioneer-looks-for-an-exit-from-the-av-business/
bigboss
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Glacialpath said:
Yes, that's why I said "officially". Although a Pioneer badge, future Pioneer stuff will be made by Onkyo.
Probs made largely by sharp now - either way these players look to have serious good potential.
I am amazed they have released them at this time - all these years down the line when you half expect a 4k format to arrive on disc and as I said before the players market is dominated by £200 players as people think there is no difference - why spend £1300
Or maybe its about the 4k upscaling as thats all there will be for who knows how long??
I am amazed they have released them at this time - all these years down the line when you half expect a 4k format to arrive on disc and as I said before the players market is dominated by £200 players as people think there is no difference - why spend £1300
Or maybe its about the 4k upscaling as thats all there will be for who knows how long??
bigboss
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Maybe thats why their bringing our a proper LX worthy player again - on paper at the moment of course.
Given the design and limited knowledge I have I think the 88 is going to be very good
Given the design and limited knowledge I have I think the 88 is going to be very good
http://www.jd-bbs.com/article-23051-1.html
Interesting site if you can read the lingo - the pictures tell a story on theoir own.
Interesting site if you can read the lingo - the pictures tell a story on theoir own.
Pioneer website:
http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/newsroom/news/BDP-LX88_BDP-LX58/page.html
Yep, the Pioneer 88 is replacing the 91 and the 58 is replacing something from 2000.
http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/newsroom/news/BDP-LX88_BDP-LX58/page.html
Yep, the Pioneer 88 is replacing the 91 and the 58 is replacing something from 2000.
There is surely a good chance that Blu-ray performance will all be the same though? DVD looks covered by QDEO again, so no change there. Like EllisDJ said you have to wonder what you are paying for? I guess just good audio. I still want to see them though.
bigboss
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ellisdj said:
Certainly looks very well made. I would've expected a proper 7.1 channel analogue outs at this price, surprising it's been omitted.
Isn't Oppo 105 using the same DACs and has a lot more features, and cheaper than LX88?
bigboss
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The Oppo 105 has more feastures - but also more chips creating internal noise that is not filtered or shielded at all.
The LX88 Pioneer player looks to address that problem with is segregated case - keeping noise from contaminating the other circuits. I think it could go one stage further but I dare say against its a cost exercise.
The real competition to the Pioneer is these
http://www.audiocominternational.com/custom-blu-ray-players/154-oppo-bdp-103d-audiocom-signature.html
http://www.audiocominternational.com/custom-blu-ray-players/180-oppo-bdp-105d-audiocom-signature.html
The LX88 Pioneer player looks to address that problem with is segregated case - keeping noise from contaminating the other circuits. I think it could go one stage further but I dare say against its a cost exercise.
The real competition to the Pioneer is these
http://www.audiocominternational.com/custom-blu-ray-players/154-oppo-bdp-103d-audiocom-signature.html
http://www.audiocominternational.com/custom-blu-ray-players/180-oppo-bdp-105d-audiocom-signature.html
bigboss
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bigboss
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Detailed review with measurements:
http://www.audioholics.com/blu-ray-and-dvd-player-reviews/oppo-bdp-105
No suggestion of interference or noise.
http://www.audioholics.com/blu-ray-and-dvd-player-reviews/oppo-bdp-105
No suggestion of interference or noise.
bigboss
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I think the more pertinent question is: who will support future firmware updates? Pioneer or Onkyo? Will Onkyo be interested at all, given that all profits from sale of these players will go to Pioneer?
Pioneer have provided excellent support for my TV when it had a repair issue. But regular firmware updates need more commitment from the manufacturer.
Pioneer have provided excellent support for my TV when it had a repair issue. But regular firmware updates need more commitment from the manufacturer.
bigboss
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ellisdj said:
Perhaps the Japanese have a different approach to the problem than the Chinese? Does not mean one approach is superior to the other.
You wont find this in any review, its not what a reviewer is considering, however this is why the LX88 is segregated the way it is - why else what they do it - even says so in the blurb
Its not noise like you think that will cause inteference - however RFI and EMI is generated via the certain chips that are on the boards - these do pollute each other. The 88 is segregated to stop this - howeveer the emi thats generated by the chips inside unless abosorbed will pollute whatever is generating it still. So emi absorbtion products could have beeen used inside the chassis - they may have been but its not 100% clear.
I know this effects SQ - PQ is obviously more debateable
Its not noise like you think that will cause inteference - however RFI and EMI is generated via the certain chips that are on the boards - these do pollute each other. The 88 is segregated to stop this - howeveer the emi thats generated by the chips inside unless abosorbed will pollute whatever is generating it still. So emi absorbtion products could have beeen used inside the chassis - they may have been but its not 100% clear.
I know this effects SQ - PQ is obviously more debateable
bigboss
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With 4K blu ray player coming next year, how many would be willing to pay £1300 for this? I think Pioneer is a couple of years late in releasing this player.
Thats what I was getting at earlier - its surprising to release this now. Needed it 12 - 18 months ago ideally.
I think its aimed at 4K adoptors to get the best 4k upscaling with excellent sound as a Universal Player.
These are probably people with the money to buy it.. If you need only a blu ray it will be a hard sell to many however for a Universal Player it makes more sense - however I am always miffed at the design idea.
You would expect someone to use the blu ray player as part of an av system - which in the majority of cases feeding in analogue have to be converted back to digital - this appears the case with most Pioneer Receievers I have seen which you assume its aimed at? This is counter productive to the effort thats gone into the analogue output stage in the player.
So why bother with such effort being put into the analogue output stage?
A blu ray player Is not going to be used with a HiFi - better to totally aim it to be the best digital transport you make with on board storage for peoples music
That surely makes much more sense?????
I think its aimed at 4K adoptors to get the best 4k upscaling with excellent sound as a Universal Player.
These are probably people with the money to buy it.. If you need only a blu ray it will be a hard sell to many however for a Universal Player it makes more sense - however I am always miffed at the design idea.
You would expect someone to use the blu ray player as part of an av system - which in the majority of cases feeding in analogue have to be converted back to digital - this appears the case with most Pioneer Receievers I have seen which you assume its aimed at? This is counter productive to the effort thats gone into the analogue output stage in the player.
So why bother with such effort being put into the analogue output stage?
A blu ray player Is not going to be used with a HiFi - better to totally aim it to be the best digital transport you make with on board storage for peoples music
That surely makes much more sense?????
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