Hi All, Well i took delivery of my second tv on saturday after the motion blur whilst watching football on sky+ on the fist was terrible,and guess what same problem!! Not a happy chap.....The installation engineers tried my old crt to see if the problem was with my sky box but the picture was clear,sharp and no problems with my old crt. They are now taking the first to their workshop to check all the settings etc.! and are gonna ring me sometime today... Anyone out there had simular problems watching football with this tv or is it possible that i have had two dodgey tv`s delivered? Any Advice?
Panasonic TH42PZ85B Motion problems
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tvmog
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[quote user="MarkJackman"]Hi All, Well i took delivery of my second tv on saturday after the motion blur whilst watching football on sky+ on the fist was terrible,and guess what same problem!! Not a happy chap.....The installation engineers tried my old crt to see if the problem was with my sky box but the picture was clear,sharp and no problems with my old crt. They are now taking the first to their workshop to check all the settings etc.! and are gonna ring me sometime today... Anyone out there had simular problems watching football with this tv or is it possible that i have had two dodgey tv`s delivered? Any Advice?[/quote]
Are you watching in standard definition or HD. I auditioned this set next to a 37 inch PX80. Its 1080/24p images looked stunning but even at this resolution I thought I detected more motion blur than on the PX80. The standard definition picture from freeview was fairly poor, and even though I didn't watch any foootball on it I was left with the impression that it wouldn't handle SD fast moving action very well at all.
I'm not sure that Full HD TV's are really designed for watching anything other than Full HD sources, everything below that is going to be a compromise however much processing power is used
I will however be very interested to know what the installers have to say
Are you watching in standard definition or HD. I auditioned this set next to a 37 inch PX80. Its 1080/24p images looked stunning but even at this resolution I thought I detected more motion blur than on the PX80. The standard definition picture from freeview was fairly poor, and even though I didn't watch any foootball on it I was left with the impression that it wouldn't handle SD fast moving action very well at all.
I'm not sure that Full HD TV's are really designed for watching anything other than Full HD sources, everything below that is going to be a compromise however much processing power is used
I will however be very interested to know what the installers have to say
Just found a full review of this TV on HDTV and they talk about the IFC issue at some length, good honest review which wonders if IFC is worth it
Regards
Regards
I compared this TV to the 42PX80 and would definitely say that it is excellent for HD material and is a worthwhile improvement over the HD ready PX80.
I thought that the SD (freeview) pictures on the PZ85 were acceptable until I switched to ITV which had a football programme on. The blur was frightening! It was far worse than I have seen on an LCD.
I will however more than likely buy a 42PZ85 as I will use it foe upscaled DVD and Blu ray playback with some SD. It will be in a separate room to my 32LXD700 (fantastic LCD television) on which we will do the majority of our SD (freeview) watching.
I would recommend the 37PX80 for SD viewing (42 if your room is very big) as the HD picture was very good and IMHO works better than the 42 (same pixel count, smaller screen). You have to bear in mind also that I saw the 42PZ85 side by side with the 37 and 42PX80 which allowed me to see the advantages of the PZ85 for HD. In reality, without comparison, the PX80s look great.
I thought that the SD (freeview) pictures on the PZ85 were acceptable until I switched to ITV which had a football programme on. The blur was frightening! It was far worse than I have seen on an LCD.
I will however more than likely buy a 42PZ85 as I will use it foe upscaled DVD and Blu ray playback with some SD. It will be in a separate room to my 32LXD700 (fantastic LCD television) on which we will do the majority of our SD (freeview) watching.
I would recommend the 37PX80 for SD viewing (42 if your room is very big) as the HD picture was very good and IMHO works better than the 42 (same pixel count, smaller screen). You have to bear in mind also that I saw the 42PZ85 side by side with the 37 and 42PX80 which allowed me to see the advantages of the PZ85 for HD. In reality, without comparison, the PX80s look great.
Hi,
I am watching sd sky+ at the moment but with a view to upgrade to SKY HD.
Even the installers said the picture was unacceptable.
Had a call this morning from the retailler to say the engineers had tested the first tv and they had no problems with motion blur at all so they are coming on thursday morning to reinstall the tv as "the settings were incorrect" ...according to the engineer well if the installers from the retailer cant get it set up correctly what hope do i have???
The installer had over 15yrs experiance and we went i thought through all the settings....lets hope the engineer watched sd football.
Would HD broadcast football be my only other option?
I am watching sd sky+ at the moment but with a view to upgrade to SKY HD.
Even the installers said the picture was unacceptable.
Had a call this morning from the retailler to say the engineers had tested the first tv and they had no problems with motion blur at all so they are coming on thursday morning to reinstall the tv as "the settings were incorrect" ...according to the engineer well if the installers from the retailer cant get it set up correctly what hope do i have???
The installer had over 15yrs experiance and we went i thought through all the settings....lets hope the engineer watched sd football.
Would HD broadcast football be my only other option?
As we say here, settings are key to getting the best out of any set.
But that aside, go for Sky HD - the step up in quality is incredible. I just about managed to watch the Liverpool/Arsenal Champions League game last week because it was such a great match - ITV's picture quality was near-unbearable. Yet Man Utd vs Arsenal on Sunday on Sky Sports HD looked awesome.
IMHO, it's a shame ITV and Setanta have any football rights, as they don't seem to have any understanding of the HD TVs today's audience are increasingly starting to watch them on. At least the BBC show a decent amount of sport in HD - well, what they have left (roll on F1!)
But that aside, go for Sky HD - the step up in quality is incredible. I just about managed to watch the Liverpool/Arsenal Champions League game last week because it was such a great match - ITV's picture quality was near-unbearable. Yet Man Utd vs Arsenal on Sunday on Sky Sports HD looked awesome.
IMHO, it's a shame ITV and Setanta have any football rights, as they don't seem to have any understanding of the HD TVs today's audience are increasingly starting to watch them on. At least the BBC show a decent amount of sport in HD - well, what they have left (roll on F1!)
Cass
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[quote user="Cooney"]
I I would recommend the 37PX80 for SD viewing (42 if your room is very big) as the HD picture was very good and IMHO works better than the 42 (same pixel count, smaller screen). .
[/quote]
Is that correct about the screen resolution? According to Play.com, the 42 has 1024 x 768 compared to the 37's 1024 x 720. However, other websites say they are the same and I can't find a definitive answer on Panasonic's own site.
I I would recommend the 37PX80 for SD viewing (42 if your room is very big) as the HD picture was very good and IMHO works better than the 42 (same pixel count, smaller screen). .
[/quote]
Is that correct about the screen resolution? According to Play.com, the 42 has 1024 x 768 compared to the 37's 1024 x 720. However, other websites say they are the same and I can't find a definitive answer on Panasonic's own site.
[quote user="Cass"][quote user="Cooney"]
I I would recommend the 37PX80 for SD viewing (42 if your room is very big) as the HD picture was very good and IMHO works better than the 42 (same pixel count, smaller screen). .
[/quote]
Is that correct about the screen resolution? According to Play.com, the 42 has 1024 x 768 compared to the 37's 1024 x 720. However, other websites say they are the same and I can't find a definitive answer on Panasonic's own site.[/quote]
According to the Panasonic brochure I have in front of me, Play.com are right - the TH42PX80 has 1024x768 resolution (ie 786,432 pixels) and the TH37PX80 has 1024x720 resolution (or 737,280 pixels).
I I would recommend the 37PX80 for SD viewing (42 if your room is very big) as the HD picture was very good and IMHO works better than the 42 (same pixel count, smaller screen). .
[/quote]
Is that correct about the screen resolution? According to Play.com, the 42 has 1024 x 768 compared to the 37's 1024 x 720. However, other websites say they are the same and I can't find a definitive answer on Panasonic's own site.[/quote]
According to the Panasonic brochure I have in front of me, Play.com are right - the TH42PX80 has 1024x768 resolution (ie 786,432 pixels) and the TH37PX80 has 1024x720 resolution (or 737,280 pixels).
[quote user="Clare Newsome"][quote user="Cass"][quote user="Cooney"]
I I would recommend the 37PX80 for SD viewing (42 if your room is very big) as the HD picture was very good and IMHO works better than the 42 (same pixel count, smaller screen). .
[/quote] Is that correct about the screen resolution? According to Play.com, the 42 has 1024 x 768 compared to the 37's 1024 x 720. However, other websites say they are the same and I can't find a definitive answer on Panasonic's own site.[/quote]
According to the Panasonic brochure I have in front of me, Play.com are right - the TH42PX80 has 1024x768 resolution (ie 786,432 pixels) and the TH37PX80 has 1024x720 resolution (or 737,280 pixels).
[/quote]
So the PZ 80 or PZ85 is not recommended if I watch mostly regular/standard cable tv (and not HD cable tv)?
Dont know if this is what you call "SD" in the UK, I'm from the mainland...
I I would recommend the 37PX80 for SD viewing (42 if your room is very big) as the HD picture was very good and IMHO works better than the 42 (same pixel count, smaller screen). .
[/quote] Is that correct about the screen resolution? According to Play.com, the 42 has 1024 x 768 compared to the 37's 1024 x 720. However, other websites say they are the same and I can't find a definitive answer on Panasonic's own site.[/quote]
According to the Panasonic brochure I have in front of me, Play.com are right - the TH42PX80 has 1024x768 resolution (ie 786,432 pixels) and the TH37PX80 has 1024x720 resolution (or 737,280 pixels).
[/quote]
So the PZ 80 or PZ85 is not recommended if I watch mostly regular/standard cable tv (and not HD cable tv)?
Dont know if this is what you call "SD" in the UK, I'm from the mainland...
Hi,
I got my 42PZ85b on Friday and had some juddering of the ball when watching football on a SD signal. Turning IFC off sorted it and I find the SD picture amazing (source Sky+). That said I have just had SKY HD fitted on Monday and the step up is superb. I was comparing the panasonic to my old plasma, a hitachi 42p3000 which was bought 5 years ago, and the difference in SD quality is very noticable. That said The hitachi still has the edge on sound through the TV speakers.
The panasonic is a great buy especially at £1099 from JL.
Best Regards
Josh
I got my 42PZ85b on Friday and had some juddering of the ball when watching football on a SD signal. Turning IFC off sorted it and I find the SD picture amazing (source Sky+). That said I have just had SKY HD fitted on Monday and the step up is superb. I was comparing the panasonic to my old plasma, a hitachi 42p3000 which was bought 5 years ago, and the difference in SD quality is very noticable. That said The hitachi still has the edge on sound through the TV speakers.
The panasonic is a great buy especially at £1099 from JL.
Best Regards
Josh
Hi Clare,
Like many Panasonic fans I have been waiting impatiently for your review of this plasma TV, and had almost made up my mind to buy it. However, despite all the positive hype from Panasonic, which would lead you to believe that they had finally cracked it concerning motion blur, it would seem from the latest owner reviews that this is very disappointingly not the case. Having to shut off IFC in order to be able to watch an SD transmission of a football match is clearly ridiculous given the background to the manufacturer's claims in respect of this so-called technological advance. The big question is, what are Panasonic going to do about it? Are they capable of solving it in the short/medium term? Will the "800" series high-spec Panasonics arguably deal any more efficiently with motion blur than the models in question? (Doubtful I suppose).
Further, I have heard it said that, for TV viewers who of necessity still have to watch a high proportion of SD transmissions, the Pioneer Kuro non-full HD models actually give a much better picture quality overall (particularly when displaying fast-action sports such as football) than top-end full-HD models, including the latest Panasonics. Could you comment on this please? Also, I wonder if you could advise if Viera-linking a Panasonic DVD player with upscaling to near full-HD picture quality, with the TH42PZ85B, could potentially clean up the SD signal (in my case digital service from Virgin Media) and solve the motion blur problem when IFC is left on, or even improve the visual quality if IFC is switched off? Thanks very much!
Like many Panasonic fans I have been waiting impatiently for your review of this plasma TV, and had almost made up my mind to buy it. However, despite all the positive hype from Panasonic, which would lead you to believe that they had finally cracked it concerning motion blur, it would seem from the latest owner reviews that this is very disappointingly not the case. Having to shut off IFC in order to be able to watch an SD transmission of a football match is clearly ridiculous given the background to the manufacturer's claims in respect of this so-called technological advance. The big question is, what are Panasonic going to do about it? Are they capable of solving it in the short/medium term? Will the "800" series high-spec Panasonics arguably deal any more efficiently with motion blur than the models in question? (Doubtful I suppose).
Further, I have heard it said that, for TV viewers who of necessity still have to watch a high proportion of SD transmissions, the Pioneer Kuro non-full HD models actually give a much better picture quality overall (particularly when displaying fast-action sports such as football) than top-end full-HD models, including the latest Panasonics. Could you comment on this please? Also, I wonder if you could advise if Viera-linking a Panasonic DVD player with upscaling to near full-HD picture quality, with the TH42PZ85B, could potentially clean up the SD signal (in my case digital service from Virgin Media) and solve the motion blur problem when IFC is left on, or even improve the visual quality if IFC is switched off? Thanks very much!
I have the 46 inch version and it is simply a cracking tv, where the issues arise i think it is not down to the tv but people in general who really don't understand the correct setup and settings. It is not a matter switching things on and seeing what happens, you have to understand the process behind it. Firstly each input whether be it sky + via rgb scart or Blu ray via hdmi can be setup with individual settings. Some settings and options affect things differently. There is a lot of talk about IFC (Intelligent Frame Control) which i personally think is amazing but it was not designed for use on SD viewing which is why people have criticsed it thinking i would work with it, however it works brilliantly on HD and gives films a deep 3d look. So I have set my PS3 with this on but have i switched it off for my sd viewing. Remember you do not have go to the menus to keep switching things off unless of course you want as each input can be configured and tv remembers the change in settings and besides I do not think many people are aware of that.
Another hot topic seems to be about overscan, one or two people have noticed a small black border on the edges and maybe a bit fuzziness at the very edges of the border. This can be removed by simply switching the overscan back on. I have personally switched it off even though it does fill the screen a bit more but you lose a tiny bit of image clarity or sharpness as you have zoomed in a little bit. I originally thought it was an issue with the tv but it is not. I do not think many people have even noticed it at all either. As per a quote from another forum user and was validated by a tv engineer i spoke with today. ''Overscan refers to an area outside the picture that you wouldn't ordinarily see. Historically with analogue TV the actual amount of the picture displayed could vary, and the edges might be messy, so TVs were designed to exclude the borders. It remains the default mode of operation even today. The effect by switching on the over scan is that the picture is magnified slightly and the edges are discarded. Turning off overscan stops this process, so a 1920x1080 input is mapped to physical pixels on the panel which should give the best picture. The downside is the potential for the borders to contain strange effects but most consumers would never notice or see them''. This means the pz85 and with it's technology is behaving and displaying in the correct manner. I hope this helps
Regards
Letmeboogey
Another hot topic seems to be about overscan, one or two people have noticed a small black border on the edges and maybe a bit fuzziness at the very edges of the border. This can be removed by simply switching the overscan back on. I have personally switched it off even though it does fill the screen a bit more but you lose a tiny bit of image clarity or sharpness as you have zoomed in a little bit. I originally thought it was an issue with the tv but it is not. I do not think many people have even noticed it at all either. As per a quote from another forum user and was validated by a tv engineer i spoke with today. ''Overscan refers to an area outside the picture that you wouldn't ordinarily see. Historically with analogue TV the actual amount of the picture displayed could vary, and the edges might be messy, so TVs were designed to exclude the borders. It remains the default mode of operation even today. The effect by switching on the over scan is that the picture is magnified slightly and the edges are discarded. Turning off overscan stops this process, so a 1920x1080 input is mapped to physical pixels on the panel which should give the best picture. The downside is the potential for the borders to contain strange effects but most consumers would never notice or see them''. This means the pz85 and with it's technology is behaving and displaying in the correct manner. I hope this helps
Regards
Letmeboogey
Hi Letmeboogey, interesting post!
Could you please give a review (in as plain terms as possible for the non-techies among us to understand) of your perception of how your "46" handles SD sport, particularly football. Presumably, from what you described, you will have your SD TV signal source permanently configured with IFC turned off? And what about Sky Sports which are broadcasted in HD, can you configure this separately with IFC turned on, in order to avoid having to go back in and make manual changes every time you want to watch sport in a different format? Thank you.
Could you please give a review (in as plain terms as possible for the non-techies among us to understand) of your perception of how your "46" handles SD sport, particularly football. Presumably, from what you described, you will have your SD TV signal source permanently configured with IFC turned off? And what about Sky Sports which are broadcasted in HD, can you configure this separately with IFC turned on, in order to avoid having to go back in and make manual changes every time you want to watch sport in a different format? Thank you.
just got my 42pz85, and only have ps3 hooked up at the moment via components as the wrong hdmi cable was sent out with the set.
I have noticed that when i turn overscan off i get black and white blocks at the top left for approx 2/3rds of the screen width, they are only slight in terms of depth, but enough to notice.
Is that normal? I am guessing not, do you think it is the components?
I have noticed that when i turn overscan off i get black and white blocks at the top left for approx 2/3rds of the screen width, they are only slight in terms of depth, but enough to notice.
Is that normal? I am guessing not, do you think it is the components?
Re IFC - it's only meant for Blu-ray, not normal viewing. It's the whole point of the feature, to make 24fps look more filmic. That's why it can (and should) be turned off for other viewing. Should Panasonic have made this an automatic adjustment when receiving a 1080p signal? Yes, maybe that'd have been a good idea
[quote user="Andrew Everard"]
Brand Director, Global Editor, Product Designer - is there no stopping her?
[/quote]
Given a chance, no
But seriously, how many picture gizmos have come and gone, and how many actually added to the sum of human televisual enjoyment?
The Panasonic sets we've seen to date have been superb - no frills required.
Brand Director, Global Editor, Product Designer - is there no stopping her?
[/quote]
Given a chance, no
But seriously, how many picture gizmos have come and gone, and how many actually added to the sum of human televisual enjoyment?
The Panasonic sets we've seen to date have been superb - no frills required.
[quote user="Mutterz"] I have noticed that when i turn overscan off i get black and white blocks at the top left for approx 2/3rds of the screen width, they are only slight in terms of depth, but enough to notice.
Is that normal? I am guessing not, do you think it is the components?[/quote]
This is normal. Old CRTs had automatic overscan and it couldnt be turned off. It was there to remove the "rough edges" of the transmission. This is what you are seeing.
Is that normal? I am guessing not, do you think it is the components?[/quote]
This is normal. Old CRTs had automatic overscan and it couldnt be turned off. It was there to remove the "rough edges" of the transmission. This is what you are seeing.
Hi
The 46pz85 handles sport very well, and definatley no worse than the previous highly rated models. There are various issues that affect this and is not always down to the fault of the tv. In my opinion i think the standard defintion ranges from ok to extremely good. As you know Sky HD displays both standard definition and HD programs, so there is no reason why the Sky hd box can't be connected to one of the hdmi connections on the tv using an hdmi cable and then have an rgb scart connected to one the scart sockets on the tv also, so therefore when you want to watch sky using HD then you simply select HDMI on your tv or select AV1 for your standard definition viewing this way you can configure each input to have either IFC or not.
However some people say that IFC is not great with sports but i tend think it applies more to sd images, So people also do not like IFC on hd sports either but i think this is down to user preference.
On a personal note this set is amazing, the hd images are sharp, vibrant and as explained earlier having IFC on hd movies just adds another dimension to image should only be used for HS sources. Issue have been raised about this only because people do not really understand this features, and to be honest panasonic have not really tried to expalin it either. I hope this helps and trust you can find dealer who will spend time showing you the tv and setting up hd so you can really experience it and also show you sd sources too, although that won't give accurate guaging how tgood the tv is at handling sd programs as often these ariels are shared with 30 other tv sets. I hope this helps.
Regards
Letmeboogey
If you have , you can simply attach an hdi cable to the box and connect it
The 46pz85 handles sport very well, and definatley no worse than the previous highly rated models. There are various issues that affect this and is not always down to the fault of the tv. In my opinion i think the standard defintion ranges from ok to extremely good. As you know Sky HD displays both standard definition and HD programs, so there is no reason why the Sky hd box can't be connected to one of the hdmi connections on the tv using an hdmi cable and then have an rgb scart connected to one the scart sockets on the tv also, so therefore when you want to watch sky using HD then you simply select HDMI on your tv or select AV1 for your standard definition viewing this way you can configure each input to have either IFC or not.
However some people say that IFC is not great with sports but i tend think it applies more to sd images, So people also do not like IFC on hd sports either but i think this is down to user preference.
On a personal note this set is amazing, the hd images are sharp, vibrant and as explained earlier having IFC on hd movies just adds another dimension to image should only be used for HS sources. Issue have been raised about this only because people do not really understand this features, and to be honest panasonic have not really tried to expalin it either. I hope this helps and trust you can find dealer who will spend time showing you the tv and setting up hd so you can really experience it and also show you sd sources too, although that won't give accurate guaging how tgood the tv is at handling sd programs as often these ariels are shared with 30 other tv sets. I hope this helps.
Regards
Letmeboogey
If you have , you can simply attach an hdi cable to the box and connect it
professorhat
Well-known member
Another great reason for these forums. I know for a fact, people don't read manuals that come with TVs (or most things actually!) and hence the lack of understanding (hell, I've been guilty of this myself in the past, though I try to keep my nose clean nowadays!). Of course, it's possible this isn't mentioned in the manual, or that it's just explained badly. Either way, that's why it's good to get a clear, understandable explanation here!
Thanks Letmeboogey - PS. I have no issue with your boogeying.
Thanks Letmeboogey - PS. I have no issue with your boogeying.
Hi Letmeboogey,
Thanks a lot for that reply! I think I now have enough confidence in this model to buy it. As everyone will no doubt agree, as a sports fan you don't want to be spending this amount of cash on a fairly high-end product - only to find that it is less efficient at handling fast sporting action than the CRT which you are intending to ugrade!
Thanks a lot for that reply! I think I now have enough confidence in this model to buy it. As everyone will no doubt agree, as a sports fan you don't want to be spending this amount of cash on a fairly high-end product - only to find that it is less efficient at handling fast sporting action than the CRT which you are intending to ugrade!
Hi
Just a quick note to say that what i explained and expressed is my opinion but you need make sure yourself by seeing tv in action trying out different sources at the retailers yourself. This way you will know for sure
Regards
Letmeboogey
Just a quick note to say that what i explained and expressed is my opinion but you need make sure yourself by seeing tv in action trying out different sources at the retailers yourself. This way you will know for sure
Regards
Letmeboogey
[quote user="Clare Newsome"]But seriously, how many picture gizmos have come and gone, and how many actually added to the sum of human televisual enjoyment?[/quote]
As I've said here before: unpack the TV, set it up, hook it up, turn it on - then turn off every picture 'enhancement' you can find.
As I've said here before: unpack the TV, set it up, hook it up, turn it on - then turn off every picture 'enhancement' you can find.
Hi Clare,
Well problems are now sorted and after having new tv from retailer everything is FANTASTIC!!!!
The problem with the Bleeding or motion blur is not present on the new t.v.....(IFC- OFF)
With regard to the I.F.C Function your right it is for Blu-ray and according the the Tech guys at Panasonic aslo for dvd recorders. Basically any input device at 24fps or 50p/i not for HD or dvd as i have heard and been told.
The setting is turned on by default and once again not enough info in manual or by some Panasonic staff as to when the setting should or shouldnt be turned on.One day manuals will be written in plain english and picture enhancement features will be a thing of the past.
Gonna check out prices on Sky hd this weekend as finally having my ps3 connected up the picture is frankly amazing and once you get on of these to review id be very supprised if this tv doesnt knock the Kuro off top stop!
Look fwd to the review.
Thanks everyone
Well problems are now sorted and after having new tv from retailer everything is FANTASTIC!!!!
The problem with the Bleeding or motion blur is not present on the new t.v.....(IFC- OFF)
With regard to the I.F.C Function your right it is for Blu-ray and according the the Tech guys at Panasonic aslo for dvd recorders. Basically any input device at 24fps or 50p/i not for HD or dvd as i have heard and been told.
The setting is turned on by default and once again not enough info in manual or by some Panasonic staff as to when the setting should or shouldnt be turned on.One day manuals will be written in plain english and picture enhancement features will be a thing of the past.
Gonna check out prices on Sky hd this weekend as finally having my ps3 connected up the picture is frankly amazing and once you get on of these to review id be very supprised if this tv doesnt knock the Kuro off top stop!
Look fwd to the review.
Thanks everyone
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