Now this I am looking forward to.......be careful, be very careful....... :shifty:acalex said:
Yes, please be negative, please be negative. 
No, seriously, keep posting, you know we love it!
I am, if everything work out as planned, will audition to the Jadis JA30 mono's this weekend. Looking forward to it very much!
No, seriously, keep posting, you know we love it!I am, if everything work out as planned, will audition to the Jadis JA30 mono's this weekend. Looking forward to it very much!
acalex said:
great stuff! when you're at it you could also throw Classic One into the mix, just to know how much of improvement Inpol brings over conventional A/AB amp. I would be very much interested to know your opinion on this. :bounce:
Macspur said:
I will ask the dealer to plug the Logos if he has it...no problem! I will try to take some pictures also 8)
egoBen said:Yes, please be negative, please be negative.
I am, if everything work out as planned, will audition to the Jadis JA30 mono's this weekend. Looking forward to it very much!
I will be planning a trip to the Jadis factory somewhere in September, I want to hear their 250 monoblocks as a reference!
Ahaha, I know...but for now funds are frozen (I just bought an Alfa Romeo 159) so it is for the pure pleasure :doh:
Hopefully he stocks the Musiteca also :cheers:
Hopefully he stocks the Musiteca also :cheers:
oldric_naubhoff said:
No problem! I would also be very interested in bringing the Jadis along to see how it compares against the Inpol2 or any Pathos product. Tha fact of having to box it again and load it on the car doesn't excite me very much on the other hand...
On Saturday evening/Sunday morning we will post reviews and photos if possible (going with Roby) :cheer:
Macspur
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Macspur said:acalex said:
Ah, thanks Alex, that's good of you.
Just wish I lived near you guys!
Cheers
Mac
Actually this dealer is not that close, we need to drive 170km to get a listen...it is not in the same country :wall:
DocG
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Roby
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Indeed, thanks to Roby for driving us there...
We will soon post some photos and review of the Inpol2 and Inpower monoblocks with In control preamplifier, Endorphine CD player and Rosso Fiorentino Volterra speakers...all made in Italy! 8)
Also found out that Pathos is about to release a DAC Pathos's style... :cheers:
We will soon post some photos and review of the Inpol2 and Inpower monoblocks with In control preamplifier, Endorphine CD player and Rosso Fiorentino Volterra speakers...all made in Italy! 8)
Also found out that Pathos is about to release a DAC Pathos's style... :cheers:
OK, it's time now to report on the Pathos adventure...hopefully Rob will update nice high-resolution pictures of the equipment we tried.
Well, in order to get to see some Pathos products we (Thanks Rob) had to drive 170Km, from Belgium to Netherlands to find the first shop stocking Pathos.
Wim, the owner, it's a very nice person, very knowledgeable but, above all, enthusiast about all the products he has in stock. All of them are from Italian brands, some of which I was not aware at all. He has Pathos, Opera, Rosso Fiorentino, Unison Research, Audio Analogue, Norma, Synthesis, Graaf...etc.
He had all the product range from Pathos excluded the Adrenalin monoblocks and the Musiteca. I also found out that Pathos will be soon releasing a proper DAC. He had the Logos, the Inpol remix (which actually looks great but a closer view shows the wood they used looks a bit cheap, pity), the Ethos, the Classic, Endorphine CD Player...and one of the first Pathos amplifiers, the TT. Unfortunately there was no time to plug all of them (sorry Mac).
The shop is a collection of Italian items...starting from a respectable espresso machine (for the first time a non italian serving an espresso in a real italian cup and, above all, the right "shortness"...a nice start). He showed around and it is plenty of pictures made by himself of all kind of places in Italy, Siena, Florence, Venice, Rome etc....
After this warm welcome and a bit of chatting about Italian culture and how this is reflected fully into Pathos, Sonus Faber and other italian brands, we went to the listening room where everything was ready to play! We used some Rosso Fiorentino Volterra speakers for the demo. Beautifully built, special design, super tweeter, a bit on the bright side (very close the the presentation of Avalon Idea we heard in Belgium).
Our collection was the usual, Nils Lofgren Acoustic Live, Diana Krall best of, Eric Clapton Unplugged, Foo fighters, Katie Bush, Eva Cassidy, Bob Dylan Oh Merci, Allan Taylor, Richard Bona etc...
We all took a seat and started listening to the InPower monoblocks fed by the INcontrol preamp. Source was the stunning Endorphine cd player. We are then ready to go...
Well, in order to get to see some Pathos products we (Thanks Rob) had to drive 170Km, from Belgium to Netherlands to find the first shop stocking Pathos.
Wim, the owner, it's a very nice person, very knowledgeable but, above all, enthusiast about all the products he has in stock. All of them are from Italian brands, some of which I was not aware at all. He has Pathos, Opera, Rosso Fiorentino, Unison Research, Audio Analogue, Norma, Synthesis, Graaf...etc.
He had all the product range from Pathos excluded the Adrenalin monoblocks and the Musiteca. I also found out that Pathos will be soon releasing a proper DAC. He had the Logos, the Inpol remix (which actually looks great but a closer view shows the wood they used looks a bit cheap, pity), the Ethos, the Classic, Endorphine CD Player...and one of the first Pathos amplifiers, the TT. Unfortunately there was no time to plug all of them (sorry Mac).
The shop is a collection of Italian items...starting from a respectable espresso machine (for the first time a non italian serving an espresso in a real italian cup and, above all, the right "shortness"...a nice start). He showed around and it is plenty of pictures made by himself of all kind of places in Italy, Siena, Florence, Venice, Rome etc....
After this warm welcome and a bit of chatting about Italian culture and how this is reflected fully into Pathos, Sonus Faber and other italian brands, we went to the listening room where everything was ready to play! We used some Rosso Fiorentino Volterra speakers for the demo. Beautifully built, special design, super tweeter, a bit on the bright side (very close the the presentation of Avalon Idea we heard in Belgium).
Our collection was the usual, Nils Lofgren Acoustic Live, Diana Krall best of, Eric Clapton Unplugged, Foo fighters, Katie Bush, Eva Cassidy, Bob Dylan Oh Merci, Allan Taylor, Richard Bona etc...
We all took a seat and started listening to the InPower monoblocks fed by the INcontrol preamp. Source was the stunning Endorphine cd player. We are then ready to go...
tino
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acalex said:
Sounds like you had a great day out! I hope you had time to listen to the Ethos ... if I were to upgrade ... this would be on the (very) short list.
tino said:
Sorry Tino, there was no time as we arrived at 13.30 and left at 18h...but only managed to listen carefully to InPower monoblocks and Inpol2. If you come here to Belgium I will take you to the shop to try the Ethos :cheers:
tino
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acalex said:
Only 4 and a half hours ... how much espresso did you drink?
... Thanks for the offer :cheers:OK...back to the demo.
First CD was Nils Lofgren Acoustic Live - track 5 Keith don't go. This songs immediately shows the speakers are a bit on the bright side...it was maybe just a little bit too much for my taste but still very very enjoyable.
Was this track put in evidence was an impressive neat and huge sound stage. Room was filled with music...you could really feel the 75W pure class A stretching its muscles...it was like sitting in front of him playing the acoustic guitar.
These monoblocks are tremendously fast, it could cope with the rapid acoustic guitar riff easily. Another thing that really impressed us was the clarity of the sound, it was absolutely transparent, neat, clear with loads and load of details. The involvement was really high, at the end it was for me almost natural to feel part of the crowd and start clapping my hands with them. It was a lifelike presentation...but this system won't forgive any bad recording.
We then moved to something more energic and could appreciate the amount of bass always in control. The impact was there...huge dynamics were beautifully reproduced, the kick drums were suddendly appearing from the dark and punching you in the stomach. Something like that I heard only with AMS and with the Audio research 250 reference monoblocks (at double the price).
Only "negative" (if we can say so) point was the voice...it wasn't as warm as I like and used with the Jadis. The dealer agreed fully on that but he still suggested that the InControl would be a perfect match with Monoblocks as they are meant for each other
We also tried the monoblocs with the Graaf preamplifier, fully tube. Once the Graaf was starting to warm, the voice was getting out warmer, with more body. But the all presentation lost a little bit of "openess" he had before. But this preamp is really a beautiful piece of kit, would be nice to try it after two days of demo...well in temperature.
I hope Roby will integrate my review with his thoughts on the more energic albums he brought and he knew much better than me. We realised straight away that the Foo Fighters album was really compressed...everything sounded so flat. This system doesn't forgive anything...
The Inpol2 was then connected, let it warm for a little while...and CDP was loaded with Diana Krall best of - Peel me a grape. Once the beast started playing it was almost shocking to hear how perfect it was. Voice of Diana was stunning and really standing out...piano was beautifully reproduced. The presentation of Inpol 2 is a bit more laid back compared to the monoblocks but very very enjoyable. We lost a little bit of soundstage and separation of instruments, as expected since we lost a little bit of power.
The Inpol2 is still a very fast and dynamic amplifier, so much closer to the Jadis romanticism than the monoblocks, but with a bit more muscles. It would be great to hear it connected to the SF speakers....the dealer suggested that it would be a great match.
So if I had to choose between the Inpol2 and the monoblocks for me the Inpol2 would be the choice. If I had to swap with my Jadis now...not sure what I heard would be enought to justify the price difference (Inpol2 is sold at almost 9k euro). For sure I got intrigued and would like to try the Inpol2 with Sonus Faber Guarneri Memento.
Between Inpol2 and AMS? I think I would pick the Italian amplifier...this demo with hybrid amps really opened my eyes about the opportunity to get the best of both....of course at its price.
First CD was Nils Lofgren Acoustic Live - track 5 Keith don't go. This songs immediately shows the speakers are a bit on the bright side...it was maybe just a little bit too much for my taste but still very very enjoyable.
Was this track put in evidence was an impressive neat and huge sound stage. Room was filled with music...you could really feel the 75W pure class A stretching its muscles...it was like sitting in front of him playing the acoustic guitar.
These monoblocks are tremendously fast, it could cope with the rapid acoustic guitar riff easily. Another thing that really impressed us was the clarity of the sound, it was absolutely transparent, neat, clear with loads and load of details. The involvement was really high, at the end it was for me almost natural to feel part of the crowd and start clapping my hands with them. It was a lifelike presentation...but this system won't forgive any bad recording.
We then moved to something more energic and could appreciate the amount of bass always in control. The impact was there...huge dynamics were beautifully reproduced, the kick drums were suddendly appearing from the dark and punching you in the stomach. Something like that I heard only with AMS and with the Audio research 250 reference monoblocks (at double the price).
Only "negative" (if we can say so) point was the voice...it wasn't as warm as I like and used with the Jadis. The dealer agreed fully on that but he still suggested that the InControl would be a perfect match with Monoblocks as they are meant for each other
We also tried the monoblocs with the Graaf preamplifier, fully tube. Once the Graaf was starting to warm, the voice was getting out warmer, with more body. But the all presentation lost a little bit of "openess" he had before. But this preamp is really a beautiful piece of kit, would be nice to try it after two days of demo...well in temperature.
I hope Roby will integrate my review with his thoughts on the more energic albums he brought and he knew much better than me. We realised straight away that the Foo Fighters album was really compressed...everything sounded so flat. This system doesn't forgive anything...
The Inpol2 was then connected, let it warm for a little while...and CDP was loaded with Diana Krall best of - Peel me a grape. Once the beast started playing it was almost shocking to hear how perfect it was. Voice of Diana was stunning and really standing out...piano was beautifully reproduced. The presentation of Inpol 2 is a bit more laid back compared to the monoblocks but very very enjoyable. We lost a little bit of soundstage and separation of instruments, as expected since we lost a little bit of power.
The Inpol2 is still a very fast and dynamic amplifier, so much closer to the Jadis romanticism than the monoblocks, but with a bit more muscles. It would be great to hear it connected to the SF speakers....the dealer suggested that it would be a great match.
So if I had to choose between the Inpol2 and the monoblocks for me the Inpol2 would be the choice. If I had to swap with my Jadis now...not sure what I heard would be enought to justify the price difference (Inpol2 is sold at almost 9k euro). For sure I got intrigued and would like to try the Inpol2 with Sonus Faber Guarneri Memento.
Between Inpol2 and AMS? I think I would pick the Italian amplifier...this demo with hybrid amps really opened my eyes about the opportunity to get the best of both....of course at its price.
tino said:acalex said:
Only 4 and a half hours ... how much espresso did you drink?
My offer is a real one! Would be nice to visit Brussels, have some good Belgian beers, be hosted by a real Italian (you won't regret the italian wine and food we have in the house), visit some nice shops and and have fun. Think about that, with Ryan Air it's not that far :cheers:
It's great that you finally got to hear the missing contender, and by that I mean the Inpol.
I have always thought that it would occupy the middle ground between the Jadis and the 35i. Of course one would need to spend some time with all three, in a familiar room/system, to come to a definitive conclusion. As for 35i vs Inpol, it would be which ever one had the Adrenalin connected to it!
Just in case it's of interest, given your inquisitive nature, and the fact that you spent the say as you did:
Pathos is a communication technique used in rhetoric, which dates back to Aristotle. It is designed to persuade an audience into your way of thinking, by appealing to their emotions using passion, and is the most likely way to spur them into action.
Interestingly, it is one of three strategies, where the other two are Logos (appeal based on reason), and Ethos (which uses the morality, expertise, knowledge and competence of the speaker to persuade those listening, it's for their own good).
Apologies if this isn't new to you, but it shows that this brand has a very specific link between the name and the sound.
Cno
I have always thought that it would occupy the middle ground between the Jadis and the 35i. Of course one would need to spend some time with all three, in a familiar room/system, to come to a definitive conclusion. As for 35i vs Inpol, it would be which ever one had the Adrenalin connected to it!
Just in case it's of interest, given your inquisitive nature, and the fact that you spent the say as you did:
Pathos is a communication technique used in rhetoric, which dates back to Aristotle. It is designed to persuade an audience into your way of thinking, by appealing to their emotions using passion, and is the most likely way to spur them into action.
Interestingly, it is one of three strategies, where the other two are Logos (appeal based on reason), and Ethos (which uses the morality, expertise, knowledge and competence of the speaker to persuade those listening, it's for their own good).
Apologies if this isn't new to you, but it shows that this brand has a very specific link between the name and the sound.
Cno
acalex said:OK...back to the demo.
First CD was Nils Lofgren Acoustic Live - track 5 Keith don't go. This songs immediately shows the speakers are a bit on the bright side...it was maybe just a little bit too much for my taste but still very very enjoyable.
Was this track put in evidence was an impressive neat and huge sound stage. Room was filled with music...you could really feel the 75W pure class A stretching its muscles...it was like sitting in front of him playing the acoustic guitar.
These monoblocks are tremendously fast, it could cope with the rapid acoustic guitar riff easily. Another thing that really impressed us was the clarity of the sound, it was absolutely transparent, neat, clear with loads and load of details. The involvement was really high, at the end it was for me almost natural to feel part of the crowd and start clapping my hands with them. It was a lifelike presentation...but this system won't forgive any bad recording.
We then moved to something more energic and could appreciate the amount of bass always in control. The impact was there...huge dynamics were beautifully reproduced, the kick drums were suddendly appearing from the dark and punching you in the stomach. Something like that I heard only with AMS and with the Audio research 250 reference monoblocks (at double the price).
Only "negative" (if we can say so) point was the voice...it wasn't as warm as I like and used with the Jadis. The dealer agreed fully on that but he still suggested that the InControl would be a perfect match with Monoblocks as they are meant for each other
We also tried the monoblocs with the Graaf preamplifier, fully tube. Once the Graaf was starting to warm, the voice was getting out warmer, with more body. But the all presentation lost a little bit of "openess" he had before. But this preamp is really a beautiful piece of kit, would be nice to try it after two days of demo...well in temperature.
I hope Roby will integrate my review with his thoughts on the more energic albums he brought and he knew much better than me. We realised straight away that the Foo Fighters album was really compressed...everything sounded so flat. This system doesn't forgive anything...
The Inpol2 was then connected, let it warm for a little while...and CDP was loaded with Diana Krall best of - Peel me a grape. Once the beast started playing it was almost shocking to hear how perfect it was. Voice of Diana was stunning and really standing out...piano was beautifully reproduced. The presentation of Inpol 2 is a bit more laid back compared to the monoblocks but very very enjoyable. We lost a little bit of soundstage and separation of instruments, as expected since we lost a little bit of power.
The Inpol2 is still a very fast and dynamic amplifier, so much closer to the Jadis romanticism than the monoblocks, but with a bit more muscles. It would be great to hear it connected to the SF speakers....the dealer suggested that it would be a great match.
So if I had to choose between the Inpol2 and the monoblocks for me the Inpol2 would be the choice. If I had to swap with my Jadis now...not sure what I heard would be enought to justify the price difference (Inpol2 is sold at almost 9k euro). For sure I got intrigued and would like to try the Inpol2 with Sonus Faber Guarneri Memento.
Between Inpol2 and AMS? I think I would pick the Italian amplifier...this demo with hybrid amps really opened my eyes about the opportunity to get the best of both....of course at its price.
I wish I could be there with you guys.
yet another thumbs up for an Inpol amp. I'm getting more and more convinced that there's no need to look elsewhere. I guess I'm sticking with Pathos for a long time to come. can't wait when I finally upgrade to a TT Anniversary (mostly because it's cheaper than Inpol2).
CnoEvil said:
when I first found out about Pathos I thought such a name for a hi-fi brand is slightly OTT. that was until I actually found out what pathos really means. then I thought I makes perfect sense to name a hi-fi brand Pathos. :cheers:
CnoEvil said:
Correction, that should read Endorphin.....must be suffering from too much excitement!!
Macspur
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oldric_naubhoff said:acalex said:OK...back to the demo.
First CD was Nils Lofgren Acoustic Live - track 5 Keith don't go. This songs immediately shows the speakers are a bit on the bright side...it was maybe just a little bit too much for my taste but still very very enjoyable.
Was this track put in evidence was an impressive neat and huge sound stage. Room was filled with music...you could really feel the 75W pure class A stretching its muscles...it was like sitting in front of him playing the acoustic guitar.
These monoblocks are tremendously fast, it could cope with the rapid acoustic guitar riff easily. Another thing that really impressed us was the clarity of the sound, it was absolutely transparent, neat, clear with loads and load of details. The involvement was really high, at the end it was for me almost natural to feel part of the crowd and start clapping my hands with them. It was a lifelike presentation...but this system won't forgive any bad recording.
We then moved to something more energic and could appreciate the amount of bass always in control. The impact was there...huge dynamics were beautifully reproduced, the kick drums were suddendly appearing from the dark and punching you in the stomach. Something like that I heard only with AMS and with the Audio research 250 reference monoblocks (at double the price).
Only "negative" (if we can say so) point was the voice...it wasn't as warm as I like and used with the Jadis. The dealer agreed fully on that but he still suggested that the InControl would be a perfect match with Monoblocks as they are meant for each other
We also tried the monoblocs with the Graaf preamplifier, fully tube. Once the Graaf was starting to warm, the voice was getting out warmer, with more body. But the all presentation lost a little bit of "openess" he had before. But this preamp is really a beautiful piece of kit, would be nice to try it after two days of demo...well in temperature.
I hope Roby will integrate my review with his thoughts on the more energic albums he brought and he knew much better than me. We realised straight away that the Foo Fighters album was really compressed...everything sounded so flat. This system doesn't forgive anything...
The Inpol2 was then connected, let it warm for a little while...and CDP was loaded with Diana Krall best of - Peel me a grape. Once the beast started playing it was almost shocking to hear how perfect it was. Voice of Diana was stunning and really standing out...piano was beautifully reproduced. The presentation of Inpol 2 is a bit more laid back compared to the monoblocks but very very enjoyable. We lost a little bit of soundstage and separation of instruments, as expected since we lost a little bit of power.
The Inpol2 is still a very fast and dynamic amplifier, so much closer to the Jadis romanticism than the monoblocks, but with a bit more muscles. It would be great to hear it connected to the SF speakers....the dealer suggested that it would be a great match.
So if I had to choose between the Inpol2 and the monoblocks for me the Inpol2 would be the choice. If I had to swap with my Jadis now...not sure what I heard would be enought to justify the price difference (Inpol2 is sold at almost 9k euro). For sure I got intrigued and would like to try the Inpol2 with Sonus Faber Guarneri Memento.
Between Inpol2 and AMS? I think I would pick the Italian amplifier...this demo with hybrid amps really opened my eyes about the opportunity to get the best of both....of course at its price.
I wish I could be there with you guys.
yet another thumbs up for an Inpol amp. I'm getting more and more convinced that there's no need to look elsewhere. I guess I'm sticking with Pathos for a long time to come. can't wait when I finally upgrade to a TT Anniversary (mostly because it's cheaper than Inpol2).
Don't know if you're aware Oldric, Audio Oasis are selling a TT for £3,100 reduced by 40%
Cheers
Mac
iceman16
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Macspur said:
as a mater of fact I know. (BTW Audio Oasis is the place where I got my Classic One and Digit from. they're good lads). but there are a few obstacles ATM. this amp can only be picked up in store. no delivery. I live in Ireland and no car so you see my problem. another thing (and more important IMO) is that I'm broke ATM
. but If I had the dosh I'd definitely be on my way to the oasis... EDIT: also I've seen two TTs on German classifieds web site for 2500 and 2300 Euro. if anyone's interested to give an Inpol a try...
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