If Modata could provide us with a picture of the setup / room in question we may be able to help more, or even for that matter Mangomonkey, on either this or the Naim forum
Yeah, MoData is same as MangoMonkey. I've got some obstinate cookies on a different computer that log me in as mangomonkey into the whathifi forums.
I'll send some pics.
I'll send some pics.
Tried something different today. Swapped the Rega Dac out, and plugged the squeezebox straight into the NaitXS.
It's obviously not as clear sounding anymore, is muffled, distorted etc., when compared to going through the rega dac, but it's not as faitguing anymore either. The music sounds a lot more relaxed now.
I did move the speakers back to firing outwards. Firing inwards, they sound wierd. (Probably because there's a flat panel tv between them).
I'll just run it without the rega dac for a day or so to decide whether that's the kind of music that's more conducive to my living area's acoustics.
I can already see the next question coming to my mind..
Do I swap out the NaitXS for a rega, or do I get a naim source instead of the rega dac.
Only auditioning at home will decide. I will not listen to anyone on this forum.
It's obviously not as clear sounding anymore, is muffled, distorted etc., when compared to going through the rega dac, but it's not as faitguing anymore either. The music sounds a lot more relaxed now.
I did move the speakers back to firing outwards. Firing inwards, they sound wierd. (Probably because there's a flat panel tv between them).
I'll just run it without the rega dac for a day or so to decide whether that's the kind of music that's more conducive to my living area's acoustics.
I can already see the next question coming to my mind..
Do I swap out the NaitXS for a rega, or do I get a naim source instead of the rega dac.
Only auditioning at home will decide. I will not listen to anyone on this forum.
The system was also just a little clinical to my taste.
Changed the
squeezebox setup so that the computer converts flac files into pcm data,
and hooked up the squeezebox directly to ethernet instead of wireless.
I'm guessing this
fixed some jitter issues, because the music is just a little more
melodious.
I can live with the forward nature for now: just turn down the volume.
You'll hear from me soon, I'm sure.
Changed the
squeezebox setup so that the computer converts flac files into pcm data,
and hooked up the squeezebox directly to ethernet instead of wireless.
I'm guessing this
fixed some jitter issues, because the music is just a little more
melodious.
I can live with the forward nature for now: just turn down the volume.
You'll hear from me soon, I'm sure.
To all the squeezebox touch folks, you owe it to yourself to try out the mods in, specially the one where you lock the volume to 100%. It really is like using a different transport altogether.
Not sure if I'm allowed to post a link in here, but here goes:
No, you're not. Neither are you allowed to post under three usernames - MODS
Not sure if I'm allowed to post a link in here, but here goes:
No, you're not. Neither are you allowed to post under three usernames - MODS
It turns out the squeezebox was the problem all along.
Applied a bunch of mods to it, and the system rocks!!!!
(http://community.whathifi.com/forums/t/574152.aspx)
Applied a bunch of mods to it, and the system rocks!!!!
(http://community.whathifi.com/forums/t/574152.aspx)
Turns out the squeezebox was the problem after all. Applied a bunch of mods to it and the system rocks now !!
No more forward etc.
No more forward etc.
M@ver1ck/MangoMonkey/MoData,
You have been warned before about multiple identities. If you continue to do this your accounts will be banned. All of them.
You have been warned before about multiple identities. If you continue to do this your accounts will be banned. All of them.
Grottyash:Multiple personality disorder?
Oops. No. Multiple browser disorder. I thought I had killed the other ids for good. Accidentally logged in automatically as them on a different computer.
the_lhc:
Yeah, I know. What can I say. I was very excited that I nailed the problem down, after about a month of fiddling around with all kinds of options. The fact that the squeezebox was to blame was the last thing I thought of. I would have imagined those folks to be doing bit perfect output by default. Didn't realize they'll be mucking around with the bits or post processing it.
Andrew Everard:
M@ver1ck/MangoMonkey/MoData,
You have been warned before about multiple identities. If you continue to do this your accounts will be banned. All of them.
Sorry. I'll try not to let it happen again. This time, it was an oversight, honest. (Autocompletion in the browser, and I forgot which identity was the good one).
Oops. No. Multiple browser disorder. I thought I had killed the other ids for good. Accidentally logged in automatically as them on a different computer.
the_lhc:
Yeah, I know. What can I say. I was very excited that I nailed the problem down, after about a month of fiddling around with all kinds of options. The fact that the squeezebox was to blame was the last thing I thought of. I would have imagined those folks to be doing bit perfect output by default. Didn't realize they'll be mucking around with the bits or post processing it.
Andrew Everard:
M@ver1ck/MangoMonkey/MoData,
You have been warned before about multiple identities. If you continue to do this your accounts will be banned. All of them.
Sorry. I'll try not to let it happen again. This time, it was an oversight, honest. (Autocompletion in the browser, and I forgot which identity was the good one).
You have registered with three different email addresses, which is itself in contravention of House Rules. I have banned the two spurious accounts: please be more careful in future.
To make up for it, I'll even go out at buy an issue of WhatHiFi. I thought I saw it at the bookstore (Borders/Barnes and Noble) in the US.
Did a bunch of demos today. Long story short, I'm going to start saving for a naim xs cd player. sticking to the nait xs.
I tried the elicit, cursa,Maia, nait 5i, naitcd5i, rega dac, main dac, in all kinds of combinations with one another.
The pure naim timing is just too impeccable.
interesting thing about the rega dac was the filters. Something to experiment on when my system arrives
I tried the elicit, cursa,Maia, nait 5i, naitcd5i, rega dac, main dac, in all kinds of combinations with one another.
The pure naim timing is just too impeccable.
interesting thing about the rega dac was the filters. Something to experiment on when my system arrives
You certainly have interesting, if unfathomable logic!
Why not use the DAC for both streaming and CD purposes? I feel sure one of your personae asked this before. You can use a BD player or, if you believe transports make a difference, a cheap CD player and connect it to the DAC.
The money you save could then be put towards better speakers at some point in the future.
Why not use the DAC for both streaming and CD purposes? I feel sure one of your personae asked this before. You can use a BD player or, if you believe transports make a difference, a cheap CD player and connect it to the DAC.
The money you save could then be put towards better speakers at some point in the future.
Grottyash:
You certainly have interesting, if unfathomable logic
!
Why not use the DAC for both streaming and CD purposes? I feel sure one of your personae asked this before. You can use a BD player or, if you believe transports make a difference, a cheap CD player and connect it to the DAC.
The money you save could then be put towards better speakers at some point in the future.
hi Grottyash, sorry to hijack this thread a little, but i have the pioneer bd player and apollo cd player and i would like to add the rega dac to my current set up, my question is would there be any difference in SQ if i use the bd player as a transport and sell the apollo to fund the rega dac? or would it be better in terms of SQ to keep the apollo and use that as a transport and save up a bit more for the dac?
You certainly have interesting, if unfathomable logic
Why not use the DAC for both streaming and CD purposes? I feel sure one of your personae asked this before. You can use a BD player or, if you believe transports make a difference, a cheap CD player and connect it to the DAC.
The money you save could then be put towards better speakers at some point in the future.
hi Grottyash, sorry to hijack this thread a little, but i have the pioneer bd player and apollo cd player and i would like to add the rega dac to my current set up, my question is would there be any difference in SQ if i use the bd player as a transport and sell the apollo to fund the rega dac? or would it be better in terms of SQ to keep the apollo and use that as a transport and save up a bit more for the dac?
Grottyash:
You certainly have interesting, if unfathomable logic
!
Why not use the DAC for both streaming and CD purposes? I feel sure one of your personae asked this before. You can use a BD player or, if you believe transports make a difference, a cheap CD player and connect it to the DAC.
The money you save could then be put towards better speakers at some point in the future.
Ah, let me explain. What's the one thing that naim does best? Timing, Prat. You take that away, and there's not much left. Clarity and definition, sure. Soundstage? Not really.
All the auditioning I did made one thing extremely evident to me. The best Prat, and hence, emotional response, was clearly achieved using the Naim source (whether just the cd player, or the cd player with the naim dac) in conjunction with the naitxs. So, If I'm going the Naim route in terms of amp, it makes sense going in all the way, and getting a naim source too.
Having said that, that's another $3500, so I'll have to save up, and more importantly actually justify he expense by actually using my system enough. The next year or so will decide if I actually get to listen to my system enough to justify the additional expense.
In the meantime, the Rega Dac will have to do. It's an awesome dac, but the timing wasn't quite there when compared to the Naim CD player/Dac.
At that point, I'll probably use the rega dac with the new rega amp that rega has in the pipeline for release next year, probably along with the rs1s for a secondary system..... Let's see...
In case you're wondering what tests I did:
(In all cases, the transport was a Naim CD player (the xs one), and the speakers were the rega rs5.
Naim Dac -> Nait XS
Rega Dac -> Nait XS
Rega Dac -> Rega Elicit
Rega Dac -> Rega Cursa/Maia
Naim CD player -> Nait XS.
It was a very subtle thing though. The Rega Dac is extremely good.
One thing I might try is try out the various rega dac filters. Maybe that'll change things just enough.
Makes a little more sense now?
You certainly have interesting, if unfathomable logic
Why not use the DAC for both streaming and CD purposes? I feel sure one of your personae asked this before. You can use a BD player or, if you believe transports make a difference, a cheap CD player and connect it to the DAC.
The money you save could then be put towards better speakers at some point in the future.
Ah, let me explain. What's the one thing that naim does best? Timing, Prat. You take that away, and there's not much left. Clarity and definition, sure. Soundstage? Not really.
All the auditioning I did made one thing extremely evident to me. The best Prat, and hence, emotional response, was clearly achieved using the Naim source (whether just the cd player, or the cd player with the naim dac) in conjunction with the naitxs. So, If I'm going the Naim route in terms of amp, it makes sense going in all the way, and getting a naim source too.
Having said that, that's another $3500, so I'll have to save up, and more importantly actually justify he expense by actually using my system enough. The next year or so will decide if I actually get to listen to my system enough to justify the additional expense.
In the meantime, the Rega Dac will have to do. It's an awesome dac, but the timing wasn't quite there when compared to the Naim CD player/Dac.
At that point, I'll probably use the rega dac with the new rega amp that rega has in the pipeline for release next year, probably along with the rs1s for a secondary system..... Let's see...
In case you're wondering what tests I did:
(In all cases, the transport was a Naim CD player (the xs one), and the speakers were the rega rs5.
Naim Dac -> Nait XS
Rega Dac -> Nait XS
Rega Dac -> Rega Elicit
Rega Dac -> Rega Cursa/Maia
Naim CD player -> Nait XS.
It was a very subtle thing though. The Rega Dac is extremely good.
One thing I might try is try out the various rega dac filters. Maybe that'll change things just enough.
Makes a little more sense now?
THESTIG08:Grottyash:
You certainly have interesting, if unfathomable logic
!
Why not use the DAC for both streaming and CD purposes? I feel sure one of your personae asked this before. You can use a BD player or, if you believe transports make a difference, a cheap CD player and connect it to the DAC.
The money you save could then be put towards better speakers at some point in the future.
hi Grottyash, sorry to hijack this thread a little, but i have the pioneer bd player and apollo cd player and i would like to add the rega dac to my current set up, my question is would there be any difference in SQ if i use the bd player as a transport and sell the apollo to fund the rega dac? or would it be better in terms of SQ to keep the apollo and use that as a transport and save up a bit more for the dac?
Sorry to butt in. I would really listen to see if it makes any difference in your system. Can't really discount the transport is what I've learnt...
You certainly have interesting, if unfathomable logic
Why not use the DAC for both streaming and CD purposes? I feel sure one of your personae asked this before. You can use a BD player or, if you believe transports make a difference, a cheap CD player and connect it to the DAC.
The money you save could then be put towards better speakers at some point in the future.
hi Grottyash, sorry to hijack this thread a little, but i have the pioneer bd player and apollo cd player and i would like to add the rega dac to my current set up, my question is would there be any difference in SQ if i use the bd player as a transport and sell the apollo to fund the rega dac? or would it be better in terms of SQ to keep the apollo and use that as a transport and save up a bit more for the dac?
Sorry to butt in. I would really listen to see if it makes any difference in your system. Can't really discount the transport is what I've learnt...
Andrew Everard:
M@ver1ck/MangoMonkey/MoData,
You have been warned before about multiple identities. If you continue to do this your accounts will be banned. All of them.
MoData was my least favorite identity. Both M@ver1ck and MangoMonkey would have been better handles (and probably more apt).
M@ver1ck/MangoMonkey/MoData,
You have been warned before about multiple identities. If you continue to do this your accounts will be banned. All of them.
MoData was my least favorite identity. Both M@ver1ck and MangoMonkey would have been better handles (and probably more apt).
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