Naim Vertical Form - Active Speakers???

[BenLaw]

But why single out Naim's ambitions?

They're not being singled out, they just happen to be in the 'news'. Link us to another $200k hifi product WHF have reported on and I'm sure you'll get a similar thread reaction.

 

[manicm]

But why single out Naim's ambitions?

They're not being singled out, they just happen to be in the 'news'. Link us to another $200k hifi product WHF have reported on and I'm sure you'll get a similar thread reaction.

Easy - up until their Exakt Klimax DS system, I believe a full Klimax DS system from Linn could have easily set you $100k, depending on the amount of amplification - and some esoteric manufacturers would charge more.

But that's not the issue - I'm assuming that by participating in these forums one is interested in hifi, and would therefore be interested in the technology regardless of the price - huge or small - that's not the issue isn't it.

I guess what I'm saying here is that some responses here to the Statement have been entirely and disappointingly predictable, and takes all the fun out of hifi. For the love of God, Naim and their likes are not taking your taxes.

 

[Alec]

People enjoy a number of things about this place and hifi fora in general I'd imagine, manic. And, if one of those things is taking the pee out of ridiculously expensive products, I guess you'll have to live with it.

 

[manicm]

People enjoy a number of things about this place and hifi fora in general I'd imagine, manic. And, if one of those things is taking the pee out of ridiculously expensive products, I guess you'll have to live with it.

Fine, to each their own, but it's infinitely more interesting and bearable than Martin Logan's yet another portable Airplay device - at least the Statement has given you millions more mileage. This must be what, the millionth comment now?

I cannot even remember the name of Monitor Audio's new and first amp - and who cares???? At least Naim made a Statement and for that you should be grateful you dull and dreary Luddites 😛

 

[manicm]

Currently I see Airplay and Bluetooth as flavour of the month.

AirPlay launched 2004.

Bluetooth since 1998.

I have been using AirPlay every day for about 33 months.

Here is something for you to enjoy whilst you fulminate about these young flibbertigibbets with their 'new fangled' gewgaws...

I grab one in a heartbeat, but yeah like Airplay, so has McDonalds been around since hell knows when. Fast food for the ears. Not necessarily good for you :rofl:

 

[chebby]

McDonalds been around since hell knows when. Fast food for the ears. Not necessarily good for you :rofl:

What's the ROFL for?

The way it works is that you write something. Then we 'ROFL' if it's funny. You don't get to decide that.

Sorry to go off-topic from your antediluvian ramblings.

 

[Alec]

I decide my posts are funny all the time, I just don't tell Chebby.

 

[BenLaw]

But why single out Naim's ambitions?

They're not being singled out, they just happen to be in the 'news'. Link us to another $200k hifi product WHF have reported on and I'm sure you'll get a similar thread reaction.

Easy - up until their Exakt Klimax DS system, I believe a full Klimax DS system from Linn could have easily set you $100k, depending on the amount of amplification - and some esoteric manufacturers would charge more.

But that's not the issue - I'm assuming that by participating in these forums one is interested in hifi, and would therefore be interested in the technology regardless of the price - huge or small - that's not the issue isn't it.

I guess what I'm saying here is that some responses here to the Statement have been entirely and disappointingly predictable, and takes all the fun out of hifi. For the love of God, Naim and their likes are not taking your taxes.

There's nothing inherently 'fun' about a product just because it's expensive. Seems to me plenty of people who are into hifi have pointed out that there doesn't appear to be much by way of technology, r&d or whatever in this product that can justify such a price tag. Fact is a transparent amp can be built and sold at a much lower price. This is stupidly powerful but that's irrelevant in a domestic context. So it's not a product for people into hifi (discerning ones, not slavish EDITEDs like yourself), it's a product for poseurs and those with more money than sense.

 

[lindsayt]

McDonalds been around since hell knows when. Fast food for the ears. Not necessarily good for you :rofl:

What's the ROFL for?

The way it works is that you write something. Then we 'ROFL' if it's funny. You don't get to decide that.

Sorry to go off-topic from your antediluvian ramblings.

What's the "Sorry" for?

The way it works is that you write something. Then we tell you if we're insulted, annoyed, or feel that what you've written is too far off-topic. You don't get to decide that.

 

[lpv]

you can find similar comments under every release of special edition leica M camera...

however, photography world is different.. you have to have eye of an artist to make extraordinary photo whether done with £1 or £100k camera while in the world of hi-fi you have to be rich... to buy 'statement' of some engineering to listen to artists.

 

[Sospri]

But why single out Naim's ambitions?

They're not being singled out, they just happen to be in the 'news'. Link us to another $200k hifi product WHF have reported on and I'm sure you'll get a similar thread reaction.

Easy - up until their Exakt Klimax DS system, I believe a full Klimax DS system from Linn could have easily set you $100k, depending on the amount of amplification - and some esoteric manufacturers would charge more.

But that's not the issue - I'm assuming that by participating in these forums one is interested in hifi, and would therefore be interested in the technology regardless of the price - huge or small - that's not the issue isn't it.

I guess what I'm saying here is that some responses here to the Statement have been entirely and disappointingly predictable, and takes all the fun out of hifi. For the love of God, Naim and their likes are not taking your taxes.

There's nothing inherently 'fun' about a product just because it's expensive. Seems to me plenty of people who are into hifi have pointed out that there doesn't appear to be much by way of technology, r&d or whatever in this product that can justify such a price tag. Fact is a transparent amp can be built and sold at a much lower price. This is stupidly powerful but that's irrelevant in a domestic context. So it's not a product for people into hifi (discerning ones, not slavish EDITEDs like yourself), it's a product for poseurs and those with more money than sense.

There is excelence in most fields of manufacture.

I suppose most of us drive, but we do not drive a roller or maclaren, so what is your problem?

 

[The_Lhc]

This is stupidly powerful but that's irrelevant in a domestic context.

In your house perhaps.

This entire discussion is idiotic, this kind of gear isn't for us but that doesn't mean there aren't people out there that won't pay for it but that isn't the point. NAIM would probably be happy if they sold 4 of these, they probably aren't expecting to sell any at all, it's not a commercial product, it's them showing off, "look at what we can do, now go buy the cheaper stuff".

The extraordinary thing is there are companies out there that don't make any cheaper stuff and survive solely from selling this sort of esoteric (not to mention stratospheric) equipment.

 

[manicm]

There's nothing inherently 'fun' about a product just because it's expensive. Seems to me plenty of people who are into hifi have pointed out that there doesn't appear to be much by way of technology, r&d or whatever in this product that can justify such a price tag. Fact is a transparent amp can be built and sold at a much lower price. This is stupidly powerful but that's irrelevant in a domestic context. So it's not a product for people into hifi (discerning ones, not slavish EDITEDs like yourself), it's a product for poseurs and those with more money than sense.

When I said fun I meant as reading, technical interest and/or amusement.

And you call me slavish and you're swearing me??? Go EDIT yourself BenLawUntoNoneOtherThanHimself. I don't go around insulting people here.

Naim's Statement has been useful, it's taught me:

1. You have no sense of humour.

2. You're a certified, smug idiot.

3. To deduce the above Naim has not cost me a cent.

 

[manicm]

McDonalds been around since hell knows when. Fast food for the ears. Not necessarily good for you :rofl:

What's the ROFL for?

The way it works is that you write something. Then we 'ROFL' if it's funny. You don't get to decide that.

Sorry to go off-topic from your antediluvian ramblings.

Ok, on a more serious note, I maintain Bluetooth is soup of the day. Especially the aptX kind - it's only certain Android sets that would benefit as Apple don't yet include AptX, and probably never will. So the nth degree of Bluetooth capability is already denied to iDevice owners.

And lighten up a bit Chebby - I'm still recovering from my new year hangover and dubious resolutions.

 

[CnoEvil]

This entire discussion is idiotic....

.....it certainly is.

Live and let live, I say. 🙂

 

[John Duncan]

In other news, this thread is getting a bit snappish. Let's stop the insults please...

 

[chebby]

And lighten up a bit Chebby - I'm still recovering from my new year hangover and dubious resolutions.

I haven't just accused another member of being a "smug idiot", so I think i'm 'lighter' than some right now.

Partly - maybe - because I was listening to one of my all-time favourite radio plays earlier (26th December 1993, Radio 3 performance of Tom Stoppard's 'Arcadia' with it's National Theatre debut cast including Bill Nighy and Felicity Kendal.) Streamed in glorious 320K AAC VBR* from my iPad Mini with AirPlay. Disbelief totally suspended, wonderfully clear, convincing acoustics and not a scrap of McDonalds (or any other 'fast food') anywhere.

*I have an AIFF and ALAC 'master' of it too. (On two different, and regularly backed-up, systems.)

 

[manicm]

I haven't just accused another member of being a "smug idiot", so I think i'm 'lighter' than some right now.

And I didn't call that member a 'slavish EDITEDs like yourself', if you had read carefully.

 

[chebby]

Probably time for a thread lock.

 

[John Duncan]

In other news, this thread is getting a bit snappish. Let's stop the insults please...

Just in case anybody missed it.

 

[manicm]

Probably time for a thread lock.

That time of night Chebby?? I wasn't talking about you, as I said, I wouldn't have called him an idiot, if he did not first call me a 'slavish EDITED'. I will not insult anyone out of the blue, but I will not roll over anymore on these forums if I'm being unprovokedly insulted.

 

[John Duncan]

Probably time for a thread lock.

Not quite, the "calm down, calm down, eh? eh?" hasn't had time to register yet.

 

[manicm]

Probably time for a thread lock.

Not quite, the "calm down, calm down, eh? eh?" hasn't had time to register yet.

It's registered John, but some here need to desperately monitor their tone. This thread has turned into a complete farce. Do lock it down. And some laws need re-evaluation, pun explicitly intended.

 

[NHL]

I definitely remember Jason Kennedy from some HiFi magazine, don't remeber which though,

http://www.the-ear.net/gear/naim-statement-first-impressions#.Us2gr4k2OaE.twitter

 

[NHL]

A worthy competitor:

http://www.onlycreative.it/en.html