To make it short and sweet the 8SE here in Canada is about 2500, or I could get a Moon 5.3 new for about 3300 where would your money go. Keeping in mind I have a cyrus Pre Xvs with psx audio refinement multi power amp Proac d28's with cardas cables. The audio refinement power amp killed my two cyrus smart powers, thats the reason for the mix up