gasolin
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stereoman said:
And many speakers like genelec and adamauido's are bi amping more dynamic,punchy sound that non bi amped speakers
And many speakers like genelec and adamauido's are bi amping more dynamic,punchy sound that non bi amped speakers
Not necessarily on bi amping. If you are listening to similar price actives to passives, I’d always do comparisons against the cyrus, to see which you like best.
gasolin
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QuestForThe13thNote said:
Amp and speaker combination to active speaker for the same price, don't think many people compare 1000£ passive speakers to 1000£ active speaker, you have to buy an amp for the passive speakers and the it's mabye another 300-500£
Because the op has got an amp already and if he decides he wants to buy new speakers, either passives or actives and say the budget is £1000 for speakers, he will be comparing passives and actives at the same price. I reckon passive speakers with the cyrus would beat similarly priced actives using the pre outs, and you are in effect not utilising the amplification of the cyrus too. But I wouldn’t take my word for it, as I’d try combinations out.
Comparing a £1000 set of actives with say £1000 passive speakers and the cyrus amp was over a grand when new I think, would probably be quite an easy one.
Comparing a £1000 set of actives with say £1000 passive speakers and the cyrus amp was over a grand when new I think, would probably be quite an easy one.
Reading post #18, I now think that Stereoman was grossly exagerating the differences, according to my scale of describing sonic differences - but not necessarily according to Stereoman's. That's the the thing with describing the sound of hi-fi. One person's "terrible" is another person's "can hear a difference, but it's not worth spending a lot of money to fix". We can all have different personal scales for describing things.QuestForThe13thNote said:
Quest, I now think your advice from post #5 is good - ie change speakers. And that seems to be the way Stereoman is going.
This is one of those times where it's probably best to let the original poster work things out for himself and let us know what changes he makes to his system to get him satisfied with it.
I agree in hindsight and am not from the point of view of criticising stereoman in any way, but just from trying to give best help / advice etc. I thought so when he said ‘a bit’ somewhere but the title is different.
Id expect the sources to both be good I think for how they perform, what they are, and at their prices. You could conceivably spend £1000 on a new CD player or dac atm and get hardly any difference, but not so for speakers. Also sources are pretty much all good at these prices and do the job needed. That’s why you need a really nice rich speaker I’m thinking to kick that CD player into life. I’d look at a different dac later maybe to use if the cd has digital outs. Also streaming possibly too?
Id expect the sources to both be good I think for how they perform, what they are, and at their prices. You could conceivably spend £1000 on a new CD player or dac atm and get hardly any difference, but not so for speakers. Also sources are pretty much all good at these prices and do the job needed. That’s why you need a really nice rich speaker I’m thinking to kick that CD player into life. I’d look at a different dac later maybe to use if the cd has digital outs. Also streaming possibly too?
Hello. Actually, I am the sort of person who at the end of the day needs to clarify exactly what I meant and whether my impressions were really true or not. Anyone, including me of course who reads any post claiming "this and this" might be to some extent influenced by the problem / suggestion from op. That is why I have tendency to come back here for as already said clarification so:
1. Indeed I exaggerated the difference between TT and a good CD. Actually , in general the difference is not so mega huge as I stated. By me the difference stemmed out from the fact that I have extremely bad speaker position against the glass etc. It is one of the worst speaker positions ever. Today I played for the first time with speaker positioning and got extremely well results. The sound is hugely improved, especially from CD player. I am indeed surprised because according to Leema experts one needs to do only very small moves in positioning, even few cm shifting make a really big impact on sound, in case of these speakers.
2. It is also true that Cyrus with good pair of speakers should not be worse than good actives due to Cyrus's components sophistication. Although it is also true that bi amped actives have a powerful kick. Much better than passives.
3. I believe that my pair of speakers had a small technical fault as the bass response was too weak even for such small speakers ( I know the model from previous listening sessions and had them already several years ago )
4. I am really so confused because the position changed the sound amazing but at the same time I think it might be speaker's suspension that simply "woke up"
5. Although surprised and glad with the sound now it does not change my view to pursue for better cables or speakers. Simply need to reinstate than indeed Leemas are not so bad as people think. To me much better from the previous known Hi Fi speakers that I have used before. Still looking for my "cup of tea" in music system though and can last a long time. Thank you all for your suggestions !
1. Indeed I exaggerated the difference between TT and a good CD. Actually , in general the difference is not so mega huge as I stated. By me the difference stemmed out from the fact that I have extremely bad speaker position against the glass etc. It is one of the worst speaker positions ever. Today I played for the first time with speaker positioning and got extremely well results. The sound is hugely improved, especially from CD player. I am indeed surprised because according to Leema experts one needs to do only very small moves in positioning, even few cm shifting make a really big impact on sound, in case of these speakers.
2. It is also true that Cyrus with good pair of speakers should not be worse than good actives due to Cyrus's components sophistication. Although it is also true that bi amped actives have a powerful kick. Much better than passives.
3. I believe that my pair of speakers had a small technical fault as the bass response was too weak even for such small speakers ( I know the model from previous listening sessions and had them already several years ago )
4. I am really so confused because the position changed the sound amazing but at the same time I think it might be speaker's suspension that simply "woke up"
5. Although surprised and glad with the sound now it does not change my view to pursue for better cables or speakers. Simply need to reinstate than indeed Leemas are not so bad as people think. To me much better from the previous known Hi Fi speakers that I have used before. Still looking for my "cup of tea" in music system though and can last a long time. Thank you all for your suggestions !
In 2) I wouldn’t believe that until you’ve heard some actives if that’s the plan to compare against cyrus with some passives. Nothing is a given in hi Fi. Also you can always add another 8vs2 and use in monoblock or a bi-amped set up. These old 8vs2 units can often be had quite cheap.http://www.cyrusaudio.com/support/pdf-brochures-manuals/legacy-products/integrated-amplifiers-1/cyrus-8-vs2-integrated-amplifier/153-cyrus-6-and-8vs2-manual-english-1/file
You’d just use pre outs and either run the amps in monoblock mode or bi amped if your speakers have treble and bass sockets (with bi wire cables). I wouldn’t bi amp with Cyrus in my experience if you ever do that, just monoblock is better.
don’t think anyone is saying the Leema speakers are bad at all, it’s just in comparable terms there is always better, which it looked was the spec as you agree. On better, this upgrading tends to burn a hole in your pocket and boy do I know that!
You’d just use pre outs and either run the amps in monoblock mode or bi amped if your speakers have treble and bass sockets (with bi wire cables). I wouldn’t bi amp with Cyrus in my experience if you ever do that, just monoblock is better.
don’t think anyone is saying the Leema speakers are bad at all, it’s just in comparable terms there is always better, which it looked was the spec as you agree. On better, this upgrading tends to burn a hole in your pocket and boy do I know that!
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