Fantastic video from the ever reliable and knowledgeable Erin. It should please both camps.
View: https://youtu.be/2YqWCX5WcVg?feature=shared
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Do amplifiers sound different
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Given the wide range of architectures, components, power supplies etc, I would be staggered if all amps would sound the same with all speakers under all loads. The tautness of my MF amps' bass is audibly different to the previous Arcams.
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Very good video, as he provided verifiable evidence of the differences (Unlike some posters in forums), however this has been known since the first amps were produced.
He forgot mention the power supply and output stage which also plays a big part in how the amp can drive the speakers, as if the amp cannot provide enough current for lower impedance loads the sound will change.
This has been known for decades and easily measurable so fully verified, after having said that if driving a pure resistive 8 ohm load then differences will be small (Frequency response, distortion variations etc.) so those that say say amps are all the same are correct, but in the real world it is not just black and white.
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He forgot mention the power supply and output stage which also plays a big part in how the amp can drive the speakers, as if the amp cannot provide enough current for lower impedance loads the sound will change.
This has been known for decades and easily measurable so fully verified, after having said that if driving a pure resistive 8 ohm load then differences will be small (Frequency response, distortion variations etc.) so those that say say amps are all the same are correct, but in the real world it is not just black and white.
Bill
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I have no idea whether it's the amplifier itself that sounds different or the synergy with the loudspeaker, but there certainly is a difference somewhere in there. May A5 sounds wonderful, detailed and dynamic with Dali and Dynaudio, but woolly and dead with ELAC.
When loaded with a pure resistance, the output should be identical for all amplifiers (assuming they are properly designed and within the amps specifications). But a loudspeaker isn't a pure resistance. A loudspeaker interacts with the amplifiers output stages. This can impact power delivery, frequency response, bass handling etc. So two amplifiers can sound different on the same loudspeaker.
I reckon the thread title can be answered with a simple question:
Have you ever changed amps and heard NO change in sound?
Have you ever changed amps and heard NO change in sound?
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Don't you think asking for lab-style results from Joe Public is a bit of a tall order? I do realise that this means statements so made will be opinion and not fact.
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I agree, however the problem comes when they present their opinion as fact, which means verifiable evidence is required.
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Hifi electronics are all a compromise. And WiiM is a prime example of that. So of-course I can reasonably say that all hifi amplifiers will not sound the same without having to provide evidence.
WiiM make great products for the price. The WiiM Ultra/Vibelink amps state 100w/channel at 8 ohms, read the fine print though and it's 60w/channel if you use the analogue inputs.
I'm sure Erin's video was good, but maybe a bit redundant.
It's also why in a truly effortless home hifi system you're almost always going to be spending more on quality amplification than on the speaker. In a perfect world we'd all have amps that perform like a Linn Klimax 800 monobloc. But such near-perfection comes at a price.
WiiM make great products for the price. The WiiM Ultra/Vibelink amps state 100w/channel at 8 ohms, read the fine print though and it's 60w/channel if you use the analogue inputs.
I'm sure Erin's video was good, but maybe a bit redundant.
It's also why in a truly effortless home hifi system you're almost always going to be spending more on quality amplification than on the speaker. In a perfect world we'd all have amps that perform like a Linn Klimax 800 monobloc. But such near-perfection comes at a price.
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No perfect amp
solid state , valve , digital all sound different
“a straight wire with gain”Peter Walker, the founder of Quad
. It’s a poetic way of describing the ideal audio amplifier—one that simply increases the volume of a signal without altering its character in any way. No distortion, no coloration
Indeed some amps are " Tuned " Rega sweet sounding , Naim fast and forward
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solid state , valve , digital all sound different
“a straight wire with gain”Peter Walker, the founder of Quad
. It’s a poetic way of describing the ideal audio amplifier—one that simply increases the volume of a signal without altering its character in any way. No distortion, no coloration
Indeed some amps are " Tuned " Rega sweet sounding , Naim fast and forward
Audionote Pipe and slippers
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You've misunderstood.
I'm saying that most (if not all) people would say they don't sound the same.
Got to be honest and say that I'm not a fan of generalisation.
When I worked at Rega, it was the amp designer himself that instructed me on final testing.
I can only say that there was never any mention of the need to sound 'sweet'.
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