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Mayde i need an amp with 100-120watts

Cycleman

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Have a nice day to all.

I had b&w 685 s2 with nad 326 bee. Yesterday i try another amp, Cayin 202 cu. I am very impressed. Smooth and pleasant. Finally i understand my nad is very weak.

So i decided to shell my nad for sure and buy another more powerfull but not chinese. I read many good things about arcam. My budget is about 900euros. The arcam fmj 19 is 80watts. I don't think that is good for me cause my nad is 60watts, small upgrade...only 20watts more. I see other amps in this price nad,pioneer etc....but all is about 80-90watts.

What amp?!worth to wait and give 2000euros for an amp with 120 watts?!

I live in a town that i can't listen amps to choose. please help
 

gasolin

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Cycleman said:
Have a nice day to all.

I had b&w 685 s2 with nad 326 bee. Yesterday i try another amp, Cayin 202 cu. I am very impressed. Smooth and pleasant. Finally i understand my nad is very weak.

So i decided to shell my nad for sure and buy another more powerfull but not chinese. I read many good things about arcam. My budget is about 900euros. The arcam fmj 19 is 80watts. I don't think that is good for me cause my nad is 60watts, small upgrade...only 20watts more. I see other amps in this price nad,pioneer etc....but all is about 80-90watts.

What amp?!worth to wait and give 2000euros for an amp with 120 watts?!

I live in a town that i can't listen amps to choose. please help
Link to the cayin amp please

It's not 60 watt it's 50 watt max in 8 ohm 100 watt and in 4 ohm 150 watt

Buy a used nad power amp for about 200€ and keep the nad C326BEE if you still have it, something like the nad 216 thx
 

Cycleman

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i don't understand you ... why to keep my nad and why to buy nad 216 thx? it doesn't make sense
 

luckylion100

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but I'd consider the Abrahamsen V2.0 Up Intergrated. Before I went actice I was considering this as the Hegels of the world were out of my price range...

Not sure how it would pair up with your B&W's though but my guess is well...
 

gasolin

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Cycleman said:
i don't understand you ... why to keep my nad and why to buy nad 216 thx? it doesn't make sense
What don't you understand?

You can connect a power amp to the nad C326bee (preout) a nad 216 has 125 watt in 8 ohm and you should be able to get one for as little as 200-250€

 

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Cycleman said:
Have a nice day to all.

I had b&w 685 s2 with nad 326 bee. Yesterday i try another amp, Cayin 202 cu. I am very impressed. Smooth and pleasant. Finally i understand my nad is very weak.

So i decided to shell my nad for sure and buy another more powerfull but not chinese. I read many good things about arcam. My budget is about 900euros. The arcam fmj 19 is 80watts. I don't think that is good for me cause my nad is 60watts, small upgrade...only 20watts more. I see other amps in this price nad,pioneer etc....but all is about 80-90watts.

What amp?!worth to wait and give 2000euros for an amp with 120 watts?!

I live in a town that i can't listen amps to choose. please help
It is worth give for new or used amp 2000eur or less even with more watts,I have 2 amps which have 500w into 4ohms.They drive speakers effortlessly.Depending on your music taste can try tube or hybrid,or even D class with many watts as you want :) But I have to warn you,of you go with 2000eur amp in future you will upagrade your speakers to even better
 

gasolin

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If you really do want to go for a different amp mabye look for a used hegel H80

I can recommend what i have, a marantz PM8005, it's not more powerfull than the nad, (i don't think it will be noticeable) it does how ever have great control over my dynos and B&W 685 s2 shouldn't make it sweat, even at max volume
 

Cycleman

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nad 216 is pre amp...ooo ok.but i am scared about used. so there is new nad pre amp over 1000euros?!if not what other option i have....to save some money?!

i think 90watts amp is small..is it right?!
 

Electro

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Cycleman said:
nad 216 is pre amp...ooo ok.but i am scared about used. so there is new nad pre amp over 1000euros?!if not what other option i have....to save some money?!

i think 90watts amp is small..is it right?!
Not necessarily, a 90wpc amp can be a very powerful amp indeed.

It all depends on the quality of components used also the design and size of the power supply.

A 90wpc with a 250 va transfomer and a small value of reservoir capacitors and the minimum amount of output transistors will have little headroom to cope with transients with dynamic music and will run into clipping distortion far more quickly than another 90wpc amp that has a 1000va transfomer and a huge bank of reservoir capacitors with multiple quality output transistors.

The wpc figure does not tell the whole story at all imo .
 

gasolin

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90 watt?

I really doesn't matter how much it has as long as it's quality watt

the nad 216 has 125 watt in 8 ohm

Cerwin vega cxai8 you can have for 599€ that should be more than enough
 

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Cycleman said:
nad 216 is pre amp...ooo ok.but i am scared about used. so there is new nad pre amp over 1000euros?!if not what other option i have....to save some money?!

i think 90watts amp is small..is it right?!
No, the NAD 216THX is a power amp with 125 watts into 8 ohms. I wouldn't worry too much about buying second hand.
 

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You could have different paths there. But if you don't want to go the chinese road, and you don't want to spend more than 900 Euros, you will have no way around Abrahamsen products. They are actually the best ratio between power/price/built. On my market, Arcam is not very present, so I can't give you any advice about that. But you sould not be too much focused on "maximum watts". What your speakers need is current. And they should be plenty of that in a correct built 80watter.
Cycleman said:
Finally i understand my nad is very weak.
Or you could understand it the other way around. Your B&W 685 speakers are ridiculously critical to drive properly with a decent amplifier.
 

Cycleman

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my thought is that my nad 326 bee is 50 watts in 4ohm and 8ohm

so for new one about the price of 900euros...

1)nad 356 bee 80 watts in 4ohm and 8ohm

2)arcam fmj 19 i think is 90w in 4ohm...

which is more powerfull ?!which have with better quality?! which have better va tranfomer?!

do you think a amp like thoose will be ok?!i think is small difference from 50watt to 90....

NSA watch my toilet and the other guys....which amp until 2000euros,non chinese, can drive my B&W 685 properly?!

My last thought is about c 368 ...the new nad. What about price?!is better of nad 356 bee?!
 

luckylion100

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Cycleman said:
my thought is that my nad 326 bee is 50 watts in 4ohm and 8ohm

so for new one about the price of 900euros...

1)nad 356 bee 80 watts in 4ohm and 8ohm

2)arcam fmj 19 i think is 90w in 4ohm...

which is more powerfull ?!which have with better quality?! which have better va tranfomer?!

do you think a amp like thoose will be ok?!i think is small difference from 50watt to 90....

NSA watch my toilet and the other guys....which amp until 2000euros,non chinese, can drive my B&W 685 properly?!

My last thought is about c 368 ...the new nad. What about price?!is better of nad 356 bee?!
As far as I'm aware not built anywhere near China, thought they were a thoroughly a Norwegian affair, but obvious the Abrahamsen V2.0 UP doesn't appeal to the OP... Looks like many of their products are out of stock on the Norwegian site but still available on iqspeakers site... anyway...
 

rainsoothe

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Hi. You shouldn't concern yourself with the number of watts necessarily (doubling watts means 3db increase in percieved volume, so a 100w/ch amp will only sound louder then a 50w/ch one by 3 decibels). There's more factors at stake (an engineer can enlighten you), but what matters most is the synergy between components. For what it's worth, I recently auditioned the Nad C326BEE with Wharfedale Diamond 220 and Dali Zensor 1, and, by now, I would've blindly recommended Marantz PM6005 to anyone on a starting budget. Not anymore.

Point is, it's the matching between the 326 and the B&W 685, rather then the amp alone. Plus your speaker cable and interconnects etc. Through the Wharfedales, I didn't find the C326 hard sounding at all. It's maybe not as spacious sounding as the Marantz, but on the other hand I now find Marantz a bit tiresome.

I'd add, besides the Arcam A19 and Abrahamsen, a Croft Phono Integrated to the mix.
 

Cycleman

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Marrantz pm6005 can't move the B&W 685 for sure. is 45watt.if you know about hifi even if in small volume the difference is very big.

Of course it doesn't matter only the watts....but it makes the difference.
 

gasolin

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Cycleman said:
my thought is that my nad 326 bee is 50 watts in 4ohm and 8ohm

so for new one about the price of 900euros...

1)nad 356 bee 80 watts in 4ohm and 8ohm

2)arcam fmj 19 i think is 90w in 4ohm...

which is more powerfull ?!which have with better quality?! which have better va tranfomer?!

do you think a amp like thoose will be ok?!i think is small difference from 50watt to 90....

NSA watch my toilet and the other guys....which amp until 2000euros,non chinese, can drive my B&W 685 properly?!

My last thought is about c 368 ...the new nad. What about price?!is better of nad 356 bee?!
You don't need a 2000euro amp to drive your B&W 685 s2 to perfection

Above 50 watt should be enough as long as it's quality watt,amp

326 has 50 watt

356 has 80 watt and also 50% more peak power

Guess which bike is fastest? The one with most horse power?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myGMlgk3PuI
 

Cycleman

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gasolin said:
Cycleman said:
my thought is that my nad 326 bee is 50 watts in 4ohm and 8ohm

so for new one about the price of 900euros...

1)nad 356 bee 80 watts in 4ohm and 8ohm

2)arcam fmj 19 i think is 90w in 4ohm...

which is more powerfull ?!which have with better quality?! which have better va tranfomer?!

do you think a amp like thoose will be ok?!i think is small difference from 50watt to 90....

NSA watch my toilet and the other guys....which amp until 2000euros,non chinese, can drive my B&W 685 properly?!

My last thought is about c 368 ...the new nad. What about price?!is better of nad 356 bee?!
You don't need a 2000euro amp to drive your B&W 685 s2 to perfection

Above 50 watt should be enough as long as it's quality watt,amp

326 has 50 watt

356 has 80 watt and also 50% more peak power

Guess which bike is fastest? The one with most horse power?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myGMlgk3PuI
You are wrong... My nad 326 cant move my speakers. I think 80-100w its ok cause good amp is good also at small volumes.

That about nad c 368?how cost? Is better from 356be?

That the end i find nad a bit flat..... Arcam is the same or more musical?

Thanx
 

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Cycleman said:
You are wrong... My nad 326 cant move my speakers.
Your B&Ws have a sensitivity of 87dB. Unless you live in a cavern and you like your music at concert hall levels I'd be surprised if you're using more than 10 Watts RMS. So you don't need a mega-Watt amp to get the best from them. What's wrong is your misunderstanding of power output, and the relationship you think it has with an amp's sound quality. If you're finding the NAD a bit lean, you need to change it for something with a bit more excitement and slam. But Watts don't really come into it. A 25W RMS amp will easily go loud enough to deafen you in a typical living room with 87dB speakers.
 

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thewinelake. said:
So what is a better measure for "slam"? Peak current?
That probably comes into it, but a lot of it is just down to delivery and tonal balance. Some amps just sound more muscular than others. Maybe the damping factor has an effec as well? To be honest it's not my specialist. But I know enough to know there's more to it than Watts. Strangely enough the WHF review of his amp noted it had low-frequency emphasis and commented that 'the scale and solidity of its bass reproduction that's the initial calling card.'
 

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Cycleman said:
gasolin said:
Cycleman said:
my thought is that my nad 326 bee is 50 watts in 4ohm and 8ohm

so for new one about the price of 900euros...

1)nad 356 bee 80 watts in 4ohm and 8ohm

2)arcam fmj 19 i think is 90w in 4ohm...

which is more powerfull ?!which have with better quality?! which have better va tranfomer?!

do you think a amp like thoose will be ok?!i think is small difference from 50watt to 90....

NSA watch my toilet and the other guys....which amp until 2000euros,non chinese, can drive my B&W 685 properly?!

My last thought is about c 368 ...the new nad. What about price?!is better of nad 356 bee?!
You don't need a 2000euro amp to drive your B&W 685 s2 to perfection

Above 50 watt should be enough as long as it's quality watt,amp

326 has 50 watt

356 has 80 watt and also 50% more peak power

Guess which bike is fastest? The one with most horse power?

http://www.sevenoakssoundandvision.co.uk/m-249-nad.aspx#pgnum=&sort=
 

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I doubt if the a19 will be good for you. When I auditioned it, it sounded awful with my speakers, no bass at all. The NAD 326 was better. I might be wrong here for you, as I don't know how easy to drive your speakers are. But I would definitely advise not to buy without hearing.
 

gasolin

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MajorFubar said:
Cycleman said:
You are wrong... My nad 326 cant move my speakers.
Your B&Ws have a sensitivity of 87dB. Unless you live in a cavern and you like your music at concert hall levels I'd be surprised if you're using more than 10 Watts RMS. So you don't need a mega-Watt amp to get the best from them. What's wrong is your misunderstanding of power output, and the relationship you think it has with an amp's sound quality. If you're finding the NAD a bit lean, you need to change it for something with a bit more excitement and slam. But Watts don't really come into it. A 25W RMS amp will easily go loud enough to deafen you in a typical living room with 87dB speakers.
A few days i had a nad 312 with 25 watt in 8 ohm and 50 watt peak also 8 ohm, it was with my 89-90 db speakers surprisingly punchy,loud
 

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