OK, it's not a barn, but still...The_Lhc said:Well, it's not quite what I had in mind...
OK, it's not a barn, but still...The_Lhc said:Well, it's not quite what I had in mind...
Agreed, it's amazing. She blew up a garden shed btwdavedotco said:How did she do that, I thought dark matter was supposed to be invisible?John Duncan said:Already been done (click for bigger)The_Lhc said:I can understand that, I bought a BMX a few years back, I almost never ride it, I bought it because I've always loved the design of them, I'd be quite happy to have a large barn with dozens of them hanging from the rafters like artworks (if I had daft amounts of money of course)
(Cold Dark Matter: An Exploded View - Cornelia Parker)
Don't like much modern art as a recent visit to the Tate Modern confirmed, but that looks wonderful.
Language eh, causes more disagreements than even religion or politics....... :hand:matt49 said:I think the misunderstanding of the passage in bold arises from a slippage between "enjoy" and "like". The first statement concerning "cheapo headphones" is, as Lhc says, unexceptionable. The second statement is also fine by me, so long as the verb "like" isn't confused with the verb "enjoy" in the first statement. In other words, I take Busb to be saying not that music is just as enjoyable through cheapo headphones as through better ones, but that people who use cheapo headphones may have an equally strong preference ("like") for music in general as people who use expensive kit. This doesn't of course exclude the possibility that better quality kit provides more enjoyment.The_Lhc said:In isolation I certainly don't get that message, it simply appears to say that there's more people listen on "poor" equipment than there are those of us that don't. That seems pretty obvious when you look at the sales figures. It doesn't appear to suggest that either group are in the wrong for their choice of listening equipment.davedotco said:Perhaps I read too much into things but your quote-
"There are a lot more music lovers enjoying music on cheapo earphones - do they like music less than us who are vastly outnumbered by them? I think not."
-implies, to me at least, that those choosing to use better quality equipment are somehow misguided, we don't apparantly enjoy the music any more so why are we bothering? Reading that line again, in isolation, I guess I could be wrong but to me the whole tone of your posts tends to convey that message.
Matt
A familiar tale not limited to owners of equipment spawned by the devil. There are many people who 'downsize' to sensible inexpensive systems and forget about the hi-fi.relocated said:I enjoyed music when I listened to music on a mono record player[Ferguson I think, the speaker was in the lid]. I enjoyed music on a cheap stereo music centre. Then I purchased a BSR 8 track machine and played it through the music centre. I noticed a significant difference in quality and was on the slippery slope. There then followed @ 40 years of using music to evaluate hifi equipment and tweaks as much of the time as to just listening and enjoying the music for its own sake. When I made changes then for a time my enjoyment was heightened but then I would hear problems that 'needed attending to', so more tweaks and ultimately different gear. Then 30 months ago I purchased certain equipment, whose name I shall not mention lest we sink to needless sniping, and my musical world changed dramatically for the good. I don't think about the equipment for one second and just luxuriate in the astonishingly wonderful and enveloping music. I have found my nirvana and that is my music.![]()
I really hope you're not telling relocated that his AVI systems aren't "hi-fi".davedotco said:To be that is not really the point, that such people loose interest in hi-fi and effectively give it up is fair enough, no problems with that at all.
My point is that it is perfectly possible to 'downsize' exactly as you describe and retain an interest in hi-fi as a separate but related hobby.
Not at all, though as always these things are up for discussion....... :twisted:The_Lhc said:I really hope you're not telling relocated that his AVI systems aren't "hi-fi".davedotco said:To be that is not really the point, that such people loose interest in hi-fi and effectively give it up is fair enough, no problems with that at all.
My point is that it is perfectly possible to 'downsize' exactly as you describe and retain an interest in hi-fi as a separate but related hobby.
Not because I disagree with you (or not), it's just that this has been quite a good thread up until now. Be a shame to see it go to pot...
+1, well saidElectro said:Music is wonderful and I love it , in fact I don't think I could live without it . Hifi is wonderful and I love it , but I could live without it as long as I could still listen to music .![]()
Well if anybody thinks that, they can EDITED offdavedotco said:What I can not get my head around is the implication, (not from relocated in this instance) that dispensing with the hi-fi somehow makes you superior, (it's all about the music) to those who retain an interest in it.
Vould you like some names for ze list........? (in awful fake Nazi accent)John Duncan said:Well if anybody thinks that, they can EDITED offdavedotco said:What I can not get my head around is the implication, (not from relocated in this instance) that dispensing with the hi-fi somehow makes you superior, (it's all about the music) to those who retain an interest in it.![]()
Personally I would like to dispense with recorded music altogether, if I had the money, time and energy I would love to see everything live.visionary said:+1, well saidElectro said:Music is wonderful and I love it , in fact I don't think I could live without it . Hifi is wonderful and I love it , but I could live without it as long as I could still listen to music .![]()
I have been a member here for 5 Years 34 Weeks. I know who they are.davedotco said:Vould you like some names for ze list........? (in awful fake Nazi accent)John Duncan said:Well if anybody thinks that, they can EDITED offdavedotco said:What I can not get my head around is the implication, (not from relocated in this instance) that dispensing with the hi-fi somehow makes you superior, (it's all about the music) to those who retain an interest in it.![]()
You're a bit of a noob, thenJohn Duncan said:I have been a member here for 5 Years 34 Weeks. I know who they are.davedotco said:Vould you like some names for ze list........? (in awful fake Nazi accent)John Duncan said:Well if anybody thinks that, they can EDITED offdavedotco said:What I can not get my head around is the implication, (not from relocated in this instance) that dispensing with the hi-fi somehow makes you superior, (it's all about the music) to those who retain an interest in it.![]()
It's most heartening that you've reached this conclusion after only 14,000 posts. There's hope for all of us.chebby said:[...] I guess I don't love hi-fi.
God bless women and the sexist things they come out withdavedotco said:Mrs DDC has a take on this, she reckons that, even for a man, my ability to 'multi task' is appalling but I reply that I simply have a 'linear' mind such that I can concentrate fully on one activity (setting up my hi-fi, say) then stop and do something else (play some music, perhaps) with equal concentration.
I reached this conclusion after being a Naim owner. Make of that whatever you will.matt49 said:It's most heartening that you've reached this conclusion after only 14,000 posts. There's hope for all of us.chebby said:[...] I guess I don't love hi-fi.
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The original 'rock 'n roller'.SiUK said:... I'd say that was a rather Sisyphean approach to life if ever there was one!
Agreed about live music which is why I go to at least one live event a month often more . I am very lucky that I live relatively close to many superb venues with quality performers and good acoustics .davedotco said:Personally I would like to dispense with recorded music altogether, if I had the money, time and energy I would love to see everything live.
But since I dont................
See, it's that 'nearly' word again.Electro said:Agreed about live music which is why I go to at least one live event a month often more . I am very lucky that I live relatively close to many superb venues with quality performers and good acoustics .davedotco said:Personally I would like to dispense with recorded music altogether, if I had the money, time and energy I would love to see everything live.
But since I dont................
But I do have to say that I get nearly as much pleasure from good music on my HiFi system , putting on a good Cd is like a mini personal performance !
It's a great life![]()
Oh darn it. I must be a woman then.As opposed to men, who have a "Yep...that'll do! Right, what's my next mission?" attitude.
Dave,davedotco said:A familiar tale not limited to owners of equipment spawned by the devil. There are many people who 'downsize' to sensible inexpensive systems and forget about the hi-fi.relocated said:I enjoyed music when I listened to music on a mono record player[Ferguson I think, the speaker was in the lid]. I enjoyed music on a cheap stereo music centre. Then I purchased a BSR 8 track machine and played it through the music centre. I noticed a significant difference in quality and was on the slippery slope. There then followed @ 40 years of using music to evaluate hifi equipment and tweaks as much of the time as to just listening and enjoying the music for its own sake. When I made changes then for a time my enjoyment was heightened but then I would hear problems that 'needed attending to', so more tweaks and ultimately different gear. Then 30 months ago I purchased certain equipment, whose name I shall not mention lest we sink to needless sniping, and my musical world changed dramatically for the good. I don't think about the equipment for one second and just luxuriate in the astonishingly wonderful and enveloping music. I have found my nirvana and that is my music.![]()
To be that is not really the point, that such people loose interest in hi-fi and effectively give it up is fair enough, no problems with that at all.
My point is that it is perfectly possible to 'downsize' exactly as you describe and retain an interest in hi-fi as a separate but related hobby.
I know that having an interest in hi-fi is not cool and this has been the case for a long time, but I don't have a problem with it, in fact I very much enjoy it but I keep the two things separate, primarily as to not fall into the trap of listening to the hi-fi when I should be listening to the music.
Mrs DDC has a take on this, she reckons that, even for a man, my ability to 'multi task' is appalling but I reply that I simply have a 'linear' mind such that I can concentrate fully on one activity (setting up my hi-fi, say) then stop and do something else (play some music, perhaps) with equal concentration.
Me too. Nothing comes close to live music - one of the reasons we've booked to see 3 of our favourite bands between now and Christmas.davedotco said:Personally I would like to dispense with recorded music altogether, if I had the money, time and energy I would love to see everything live.visionary said:+1, well saidElectro said:Music is wonderful and I love it , in fact I don't think I could live without it . Hifi is wonderful and I love it , but I could live without it as long as I could still listen to music .![]()
But since I dont................