One is the means & the other important one is the end. Simples!
People spend money on stuff for varying reasons: some because they actually love music & some becase they can afford to. I've met people with expsnsive bikes who are left standing on group rides, I've met some with expsnsive SLRs who have sneered at my compact & who can't compose a shot to save their lives. I've met teenagers with no money but enviable talent & people nearing heaven who have been happy with radios all their lives.
The idea that the more money spent on the means indicates the a greater love of music, photographic talent or being first up hills is pure myth! A friend talked himself into buying a £1500 DAC. That's fine with me - it's his money afterall but when he states that music that was unlistenable with his previous £600 M-DAC, sounds fine on his new one - I do wonder. It sounds like justification after the event to me! There are a lot more music lovers enjoying music on cheapo earphones - do they like music less than us who are vastly outnumbered by them? I think not.
This post is for me, the biggest issue.
The assumption that the sort of equipment that you choose somehow reflects on your ability to enjoy and appreciate music is nonsense of the highest level and all too common
The main reason I made the post in the first place.
?? Err - that's the point I was making! I'm unsure if you are agreeing or dissagreeing with me here, Dave.
To be honest i found your post a little unclear. Some of what you said seemed quite disparaging to those entusiasts who choose to spend time and money on a better system, thinking about the comments re the chap with the dac and the final lines about headphone listeners.
To make my views absolutely clear, I think hi-fi, in a pure sense, has nothing to do with music, they are separate things, both of which can be enjoyed largely without the other. You may use recordings of music to evaluate the hi-fi, but in this instance the music is secondary to the hi-fi, and it is this that many people have a problem with.
Dave, as Mr Spock would say: "fascinating!"
To quote myself:
"There are a lot more music lovers enjoying music on cheapo earphones - do they like music less than us who are vastly outnumbered by them? I think not."
I thought this was perfectly obvious - I'm commenting on the fact that millions of people are enjoying music on iPods, phones, MP3 players without resorting to either buying or needing expensive equipment. My point being that they are enjoying the music! I'm at a loss how it could be considered disparaging to them. If someone who's spent huge amounts of money on Hi-Fi is offended - I ain't going to loose no sleep!
As for my friend, he's showing unwise purchasing decisions & I'm hoping I don't need to lend him money again! It would be unfair to say anymore so I won't. I thought I was poor at money management - obviously I'm in a minor league.
Dave, judging by some of the replies to your posts from others, you appear to unintentionally upsetting a few regulars - myself ex
cluded - I'm generally thick-skinned. This may sound offensive but I suggest you read more thoroughly. I do find some posts here & elsewhere to be pretty obscure or need to be read several times to understand them & maybe some find mine the same of course!
If people buy Hi Fi equipment as an end in itself with music being incidental - it's harmless enough, it increases the number of folk buying therefore creating demand & stabilises prices. I'm not going to complain about that - just don't expect much empathy from music fans! If I bought an expensive musical instrument but never bothered to learn to play it even badly, I'd expect no less than amusement to derision from others & would deserve the latter.