Lossless audio is not that important

[podknocker]

I understand people having a sonic preference, but I think if every part of your system is transparent to the recording and doesn't impose its own colour, then this neutral sound is the best outcome. If some recordings sound bad through a neutral system, then that's a shortcoming of the recording surely?

 

[Revolutions]

Lots of recordings sound bad. The really interesting thing I’ve discovered since upgrading my system is that some mixes which sounded painful, now sound much nicer. Dirt by Alice in Chains & pretty much any remaster of Nevermind often sound really harsh, something off with the mids in varying levels across Spotify, tidal & vinyl. With the Linn, everything sounds better. Smoother, easier. Probably the opposite of transparent.

It works for me as I listen to a lot of 90s/00s rock music that didn’t have expensive mixing & mastering. (Ironic, as those two aforementioned albums had disgusting budgets.)

 

[Rui]

Can you though? Have you done a blind test? Have you done the test shown in the video?

I have to say I've never listened to a 320 mp3 file and thought it sounds "awful" compared to FLAC.

I think it´s correct. About the video i don´t understand why some think it´s anything interesting, as it talks about nothing new, and the quality of the equipment for sure matters or one wouldn´t buy a expensive system to have the same quality of a 100€ compact system , streaming quality is also top quality so i think a lot was said but nothing that is totally wrong or right ,all make sense but not 100% right as today there is more than 100%, but i go from what i learn there are no percentage above 100% not making any sense saying it´s 200 % better, meaning, as an example "my third foot doesn´t go ok with this snickers model"well maybe not the best example, but how can one find in one item (phisical one), two of them.
Per cent means if i´m not wrong for hundred divisions of 1 item in total, but the idea was nice founding in 100€ , 200€ or even more like 2000% finding in 1€, a total amount 2000€.
About Hi-Fi ,in the past i used to tell my friends "does the tweeter releases sound? if not ,Low-fi" this to keep it simple, and was 14 at the time

 

[Rui]

Lots of recordings sound bad. The really interesting thing I’ve discovered since upgrading my system is that some mixes which sounded painful, now sound much nicer. Dirt by Alice in Chains & pretty much any remaster of Nevermind often sound really harsh, something off with the mids in varying levels across Spotify, tidal & vinyl. With the Linn, everything sounds better. Smoother, easier. Probably the opposite of transparent.

It works for me as I listen to a lot of 90s/00s rock music that didn’t have expensive mixing & mastering. (Ironic, as those two aforementioned albums had disgusting budgets.)

But how nice they sounded, budget is overrated.
My only question when in the 90´s finally had a system with a quality that i found good(except my 70´s gear which still sounds amazing good) ,

one matter left me wondering , why?Has i got better amplification systems and speakers the better my 75 Pioneer turntable sounded and worth my cd player sounded,

and wasn´t cheap only all cds sounded very bad in comparison to the records or cassette i recorded in a Pioneer CT-91a and a Denon DRM-800a from cds,

by this time my first Sony DAT deck wasn´t working but later i got even more amazed by the sound of the recordings if made from a selection of records , from cd, it improved the cd sound as the cassette decks already did.


I already talked with a very old electronic engenier that was into music and he explained me but i wanted to hear a more recent aproach to the matter and now i´m also using a MD deck which is good for some types of sound and horrible to others,

while my old Akai X-165D and GX-4000DS sound amazing good with re-recorded 70´s basf reels, sorry, i refer to my two akai´s open reel decks at top speed and at lower ,

either sound really good, doesn´t that mean that the digital convertion as good as it can be doesn´t sound real as good analogue recorders and players,

or is it related to the fact that all records were recorded in analogue and in cd some sounded real bad as an example the so much apreciated "Nevermind" from Nirvana,

that having still a radio show i would play the record "in bloom" from Sub-Pop and after the cd of nevermind with the same song and asked,

if it was only me or listeners felt the same, all said that guitars sounded more alive while in the cd was a bit strange,

later i discovered after a friend forgeting at my home some 5 or 6 Lp´s and there was "Nevermind" in record and how good it sounded ,

that´s when i start to say that cds were a bad version of the work done in studio and i think not all have cd players around 50.000€ to make cds sound better,

or the use of cheaper DAC, that mostly changes the equalization this refering to around 100€ dac´s, and how cheap costs a DAC with very high quality that can be installed in most of the cd players,

and added the fact that laser and lenses quality also make a good cd player. mine cost the doble of most of a complete cd player around 500€, new or even more expensive

 

[Rui]

I prefer not to except in extreme cases, but you do you.

my like was more like "Cool!" "But , you do you" nice expression

 

[Rui]

A question , how did you inserted a description of your material , hi-fi one on the comment section bellow , i also could writte what i´m using at the moment, i looked for it but couldn´t find a way to do it , can anyone explain how it´s done, i know this isn´t the best place to adress this question but i´m Portuguese and might had failed some option wtitten in English

 

[abacus]

But how nice they sounded, budget is overrated.
My only question when in the 90´s finally had a system with a quality that i found good(except my 70´s gear which still sounds amazing good) ,

one matter left me wondering , why?Has i got better amplification systems and speakers the better my 75 Pioneer turntable sounded and worth my cd player sounded,

and wasn´t cheap only all cds sounded very bad in comparison to the records or cassette i recorded in a Pioneer CT-91a and a Denon DRM-800a from cds,

by this time my first Sony DAT deck wasn´t working but later i got even more amazed by the sound of the recordings if made from a selection of records , from cd, it improved the cd sound as the cassette decks already did.


I already talked with a very old electronic engenier that was into music and he explained me but i wanted to hear a more recent aproach to the matter and now i´m also using a MD deck which is good for some types of sound and horrible to others,

while my old Akai X-165D and GX-4000DS sound amazing good with re-recorded 70´s basf reels, sorry, i refer to my two akai´s open reel decks at top speed and at lower ,

either sound really good, doesn´t that mean that the digital convertion as good as it can be doesn´t sound real as good analogue recorders and players,

or is it related to the fact that all records were recorded in analogue and in cd some sounded real bad as an example the so much apreciated "Nevermind" from Nirvana,

that having still a radio show i would play the record "in bloom" from Sub-Pop and after the cd of nevermind with the same song and asked,

if it was only me or listeners felt the same, all said that guitars sounded more alive while in the cd was a bit strange,

later i discovered after a friend forgeting at my home some 5 or 6 Lp´s and there was "Nevermind" in record and how good it sounded ,

that´s when i start to say that cds were a bad version of the work done in studio and i think not all have cd players around 50.000€ to make cds sound better,

or the use of cheaper DAC, that mostly changes the equalization this refering to around 100€ dac´s, and how cheap costs a DAC with very high quality that can be installed in most of the cd players,

and added the fact that laser and lenses quality also make a good cd player. mine cost the doble of most of a complete cd player around 500€, new or even more expensive

You cannot get a better recording than the original master, if you do then your recording is sub-standard, just the same as if the recording sounds worse.
Vinyl and cassettes have a limited dynamic range compared to CD and will sound different. (If used to vinyl they may sound worse even when they not)
The better the playback equipment the more it will show up the faults in the recording, (A great recording will sound great, but a bad recording will sound worse)
You will always be reliant on the quality of the master and if you don't like it, you will have to lump it. (This is why a good master recorded onto vinyl will sound better than a bad master recorded onto CD and Vica versa)

Bill

 

[Rui]

You cannot get a better recording than the original master, if you do then your recording is sub-standard, just the same as if the recording sounds worse.
Vinyl and cassettes have a limited dynamic range compared to CD and will sound different. (If used to vinyl they may sound worse even when they not)
The better the playback equipment the more it will show up the faults in the recording, (A great recording will sound great, but a bad recording will sound worse)
You will always be reliant on the quality of the master and if you don't like it, you will have to lump it. (This is why a good master recorded onto vinyl will sound better than a bad master recorded onto CD and Vica versa)

Bill

well in lalala land it´s true but dynamics as it was called always the cd might have better results in papper at people´s home´s not true just look at the power meters in a vynil record than put the same album in cd and i´m not refering to this new turntables with 50´s ancient technology the only thing missing is the handle to give speed to it, it´s so sad that people think in the past sound was horrible as a 2.000€ turntable today that sounds 1/20 of a 2nd hand technics from 72 to 79 in use since then with a 207C cartridge that can be bought from 50 to 300€, serviced, might be true but at least you hear a band playing not a messed up version of it like the cd , i would say that the cd sounds like a cheap cassette recorded in a cheap cassette deck but not true , it´s even worth but if you never heard music with enough attention you´ll never know what is that thing that people enjoy, then what about master tapes, what´s that worry about master taps if you don´t like to hear it doesn´t matter how many patterns were made from the original one but it´s still a faithfull copy of the original in digital it works but recorded into a analogue format as here the problem is not analogue or digital but a absolete format from the 70´s , or you think we old guys are listening to the first form of round records , no it evolved a lot , well till the top quality that is not heard in any cd that in some cases it sounds good but that is rare to happen amd not acurate but look at pappers and i´ll listen to music as it was played, not just a part of it