looking for new speaker package

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hi i am new here just looking for some advice , i going a plasma pioneer tv with a pioneer lx 81 amp, also sky hd box and my xbox and apple tv, i got everything hooked up to bose 10 system had the bose for over 4 years now, i am looking to upgrade to better speakers i got a budget off 3-5 k

i been to a few shops heard a demo of B&W cm9 system and the montior audio gx200 both amazing packages , is there any other speakers i should look for or be recommended

 

[CnoEvil]

You might like to consider the Kef R Series as well.

 

[Anonymous]

yeah i never looked up them i have a look thank u

manily its for movies my bose dont seem to have the range at all

 

[CnoEvil]

As an after-thought, there is also PMC, which has the new Twenty series.

 

[Anonymous]

thank you , so what u think of the cm9 and the montior audio gx 20

 

[CnoEvil]

I personally would go for the brands that I mentioned, but I also prefer Arcam AV amps....this should not influence your decision. IMO you should make a shortlist of the suggestions you get on here, demo as many of them as possible, and then pick the one you like best. Simples.

 

[Anonymous]

thanks for your input i see if i can get a demo in the brands u mentioned and go from there , my amp cost me 2k so not lookin to change that anytime soon lol

really helpful advice tho

 

[CnoEvil]

You should end up with something very nice, so come back and report your findings.

:cheers:

Cno

 

[bigboss]

thank you , so what u think of the cm9 and the montior audio gx 20

The CM9 speakers are superb. Very clean & detailed. They'll go very well with your Pioneer amp. I haven't heard the GX200 but have read good reviews about them.

MK 950 is another brilliant package for movies. One of the best I've heard (although the company, sadly, closed down. But making a comeback in the name of Ken Kreisel speakers, starting with subwoofers).

http://mkloudspeakers.com/products-info.asp?id=189&type=System

 

[Anonymous]

i heard the cm9 blew my mind the gx200 where amazing to i no expert on this but i couldnt tell a major difference between the to,

do u think i should get the b&w rear speakers to or stick with my bose rear and subwoofer shall i go with b&W pv1 think newer version is out

also went in a shop today the guy told me about a company called dahl never heard of it was wondering if they any good

ps u got same tv as me the last pioneer that was made amazing tv love it still running like clockwork had it 3 years

 

[Frank Harvey]

The PV1 will far outperform your Bose 'bass module', but it'll depend on the size of your room as to whether it'll be a good choice or not. If your room isn't too big, it'll be fine, but if you have a large room, there are plenty of subs out there that will do a much better job of pressurising your room. Try the Monitor Audio GXW15, KK Sound MX700 MkIII, or the SVS PB12 Plus.

As for the speakers, demos I've done so far have had people saying that the CM9's are fuller with a 'better' bottom end, whereas the GX200's sound a little 'thinner', but are easier to place because of this. In an AV system, the lower end doesn't really matter as the sub takes care of it - it's only an issue if you'll be listening to music in 2-channel mode without the sub.

I have to agree with Cno's choices for AV speakers. The KEF R series are probably one of the finest ranges of -fi speakers that do a great job with home cinema, mainly due to their UniQ drivers, offering a more accurate soundstage. Give the R700's a try against the MA and B&W and see what you think. The PMC Twenty range is also up there with the best - they're lighter in the bottom end, but very insightful.

As bigboss mentions, Ken Kreisel is releasing a new range of home theatre loudspeakers, but unfortunately we're a couple of months away from the release of the first speaker package at the moment, but more will be following over the remainder of the year. Judging by his original Miller & Kreisel designs, his forthcoming updated ranges should elevate them above hi-fi speaker packages for the reproduction of movie soundtracks. Details will be announced as soon as possible.

Any of these packages will be an enormous upgrade over your Bose package, and your LX81 will be fine for driving any of them too. If I were you, I wouldn't mix and match with Bose - if you're going to ditch the package, just do it in one go. Even if you had to go without rear speakers or a subwoofer for a bit - with speakers like the above, the Bose won't bring anything to the table.

 

[Anonymous]

The PV1 will far outperform your Bose 'bass module', but it'll depend on the size of your room as to whether it'll be a good choice or not. If your room isn't too big, it'll be fine, but if you have a large room, there are plenty of subs out there that will do a much better job of pressurising your room. Try the Monitor Audio GXW15, KK Sound MX700 MkIII, or the SVS PB12 Plus.

As for the speakers, demos I've done so far have had people saying that the CM9's are fuller with a 'better' bottom end, whereas the GX200's sound a little 'thinner', but are easier to place because of this. In an AV system, the lower end doesn't really matter as the sub takes care of it - it's only an issue if you'll be listening to music in 2-channel mode without the sub.

I have to agree with Cno's choices for AV speakers. The KEF R series are probably one of the finest ranges of -fi speakers that do a great job with home cinema, mainly due to their UniQ drivers, offering a more accurate soundstage. Give the R700's a try against the MA and B&W and see what you think. The PMC Twenty range is also up there with the best - they're lighter in the bottom end, but very insightful.

As bigboss mentions, Ken Kreisel is releasing a new range of home theatre loudspeakers, but unfortunately we're a couple of months away from the release of the first speaker package at the moment, but more will be following over the remainder of the year. Judging by his original Miller & Kreisel designs, his forthcoming updated ranges should elevate them above hi-fi speaker packages for the reproduction of movie soundtracks. Details will be announced as soon as possible.

Any of these packages will be an enormous upgrade over your Bose package, and your LX81 will be fine for driving any of them too. If I were you, I wouldn't mix and match with Bose - if you're going to ditch the package, just do it in one go. Even if you had to go without rear speakers or a subwoofer for a bit - with speakers like the above, the Bose won't bring anything to the table.

thanks for the very detail reply, i got a big size room so i was thinking the pv1 , i think the cm9 package so far sounds the best , monitor audio was 1k more prob a lil out my price range

i look out for the kef see if i can find someone who can demo them for me , i think i sell the bose soon bc they do sound nothing compared to what i heard today just hope i can get some money on them

thanks for all the helps guys really appricate everything

 

[MUSICRAFT]

Hi marcus234

ATC monitors are also worth serious consideration as i've got clients who are happily using Pioneer AV amplification (including LX81) with them. ATC monitors are low distortion, flat and honest designs which don't favour music or movie soundtracks. In my experience this helps their monitors to reproduce the stability and the power of the sound in an uncoloured and natural manner.

SCM40 (front), C3C (centre), SCM7/SCM11 (rears) and C1 (sub)

or

SCM7 (front), C1C (centre), SCM7 (rears) and C4 - SCM0.1/12 (sub)

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

 

[Anonymous]

Hi marcus234

ATC monitors are also worth serious consideration as i've got clients who are happily using Pioneer AV amplification (including LX81) with them. ATC monitors are low distortion, flat and honest designs which don't favour music or movie soundtracks. In my experience this helps their monitors to reproduce the stability and the power of the sound in an uncoloured and natural manner.

SCM40 (front), C3C (centre), SCM7/SCM11 (rears) and C1 (sub)

or

SCM7 (front), C1C (centre), SCM7 (rears) and C4 - SCM0.1/12 (sub)

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

so many choices got to make sure i make the right one with the ATC how much am i looking at then dont want to spend more than 4k as i spent enough on my room as it is

 

[MUSICRAFT]

Hi marcus234

ATC monitors are also worth serious consideration as i've got clients who are happily using Pioneer AV amplification (including LX81) with them. ATC monitors are low distortion, flat and honest designs which don't favour music or movie soundtracks. In my experience this helps their monitors to reproduce the stability and the power of the sound in an uncoloured and natural manner.

SCM40 (front), C3C (centre), SCM7/SCM11 (rears) and C1 (sub)

or

SCM7 (front), C1C (centre), SCM7 (rears) and C4 - SCM0.1/12 (sub)

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

so many choices got to make sure i make the right one with the ATC how much am i looking at then dont want to spend more than 4k as i spent enough on my room as it is

Hi marcus234

I thought your budget was up to £5k. Anyway, for front speakers do you only want floorstanders? If so, then it would be SCM40 (front), C1C (centre), SCM7 (rears) and C1 (sub) - RRP £4367 (all cherry finish) or £4607 (all the black ash finish).

Btw, in my previous post the cost of the first ATC system at RRP with SCM7 (rears) £5061 (all cherry finish), £5321 (all black ash finish),

with SCM11 (rears) £5485 (all cherry finish), £5774 (all black ask finish)

or

the second ATC system at RRP £4803 (all main speakers cherry with C4 sub in black finish only), £4879 (all main speakers in black ash with SCM0.1/12 sub in black finish only).

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

 

[Frank Harvey]

thanks for the very detail reply, i got a big size room so i was thinking the pv1 , i think the cm9 package so far sounds the best , monitor audio was 1k more prob a lil out my price range

i look out for the kef see if i can find someone who can demo them for me , i think i sell the bose soon bc they do sound nothing compared to what i heard today just hope i can get some money on them

No problem Marcus.

If you've got a larger sized room, you're going to need a couple of PV1D's in order to fill it, and even then you may find them slightly lacking. And then for the cost of two, you'll be able to get a single sub that will quite easily fill a larger room, but it will obviously be bigger and a bit uglier

Again, depending on the size of the room, you'll be better off sticking to more efficient speakers in order to make the most of your receiver's available power.

Size is a subjective thing - what size is it exactly?

 

[Anonymous]

Hi marcus234

ATC monitors are also worth serious consideration as i've got clients who are happily using Pioneer AV amplification (including LX81) with them. ATC monitors are low distortion, flat and honest designs which don't favour music or movie soundtracks. In my experience this helps their monitors to reproduce the stability and the power of the sound in an uncoloured and natural manner.

SCM40 (front), C3C (centre), SCM7/SCM11 (rears) and C1 (sub)

or

SCM7 (front), C1C (centre), SCM7 (rears) and C4 - SCM0.1/12 (sub)

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

so many choices got to make sure i make the right one with the ATC how much am i looking at then dont want to spend more than 4k as i spent enough on my room as it is

Hi marcus234

I thought your budget was up to £5k. Anyway, for front speakers do you only want floorstanders? If so, then it would be SCM40 (front), C1C (centre), SCM7 (rears) and C1 (sub) - RRP £4367 (all cherry finish) or £4607 (all the black ash finish).

Btw, in my previous post the cost of the first ATC system at RRP with SCM7 (rears) £5061 (all cherry finish), £5321 (all black ash finish),

with SCM11 (rears) £5485 (all cherry finish), £5774 (all black ask finish)

or

the second ATC system at RRP £4803 (all main speakers cherry with C4 sub in black finish only), £4879 (all main speakers in black ash with SCM0.1/12 sub in black finish only).

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

yes sorry i did say 3-5 k i could stretch it to 5 k they have to blow my mind tho , yeah my front speakers i going with floor standing my room has plenty of size , thanks for pricing them up the first package is same price as the monitor audio and the 2nd package is same price as cm9 so many decisions to make

 

[Anonymous]

thanks for the very detail reply, i got a big size room so i was thinking the pv1 , i think the cm9 package so far sounds the best , monitor audio was 1k more prob a lil out my price range

i look out for the kef see if i can find someone who can demo them for me , i think i sell the bose soon bc they do sound nothing compared to what i heard today just hope i can get some money on them

No problem Marcus.

If you've got a larger sized room, you're going to need a couple of PV1D's in order to fill it, and even then you may find them slightly lacking. And then for the cost of two, you'll be able to get a single sub that will quite easily fill a larger room, but it will obviously be bigger and a bit uglier

Again, depending on the size of the room, you'll be better off sticking to more efficient speakers in order to make the most of your receiver's available power.

Size is a subjective thing - what size is it exactly?

my room well its quite big not big enough for 2 subs i think one is enough to fill the room just need to make a choice of what i am going for , cm9 seem my best bit as well as a lovely peice of kit i do love how they look as well as they sound coming from them

 

[MUSICRAFT]

Hi marcus234

ATC monitors are also worth serious consideration as i've got clients who are happily using Pioneer AV amplification (including LX81) with them. ATC monitors are low distortion, flat and honest designs which don't favour music or movie soundtracks. In my experience this helps their monitors to reproduce the stability and the power of the sound in an uncoloured and natural manner.

SCM40 (front), C3C (centre), SCM7/SCM11 (rears) and C1 (sub)

or

SCM7 (front), C1C (centre), SCM7 (rears) and C4 - SCM0.1/12 (sub)

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

so many choices got to make sure i make the right one with the ATC how much am i looking at then dont want to spend more than 4k as i spent enough on my room as it is

Hi marcus234

I thought your budget was up to £5k. Anyway, for front speakers do you only want floorstanders? If so, then it would be SCM40 (front), C1C (centre), SCM7 (rears) and C1 (sub) - RRP £4367 (all cherry finish) or £4607 (all the black ash finish).

Btw, in my previous post the cost of the first ATC system at RRP with SCM7 (rears) £5061 (all cherry finish), £5321 (all black ash finish),

with SCM11 (rears) £5485 (all cherry finish), £5774 (all black ask finish)

or

the second ATC system at RRP £4803 (all main speakers cherry with C4 sub in black finish only), £4879 (all main speakers in black ash with SCM0.1/12 sub in black finish only).

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

yes sorry i did say 3-5 k i could stretch it to 5 k they have to blow my mind tho , yeah my front speakers i going with floor standing my room has plenty of size

Hi marcus234

It's ok you don't need to apologise and thanks for your reply.

I recently watched some scenes from Super 8 on Blu Ray through a system which included SCM40, C3C, SCM19's and C6 - SCM0.1/15 using Yamaha's Aventage RX-A3010 AV receiver. The reproduction of the Super 8 soundtrack was to put it mildly powerful with no sign of strain or compression

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

 

[bigboss]

my room well its quite big not big enough for 2 subs i think one is enough to fill the room just need to make a choice of what i am going for , cm9 seem my best bit as well as a lovely peice of kit i do love how they look as well as they sound coming from them

What are the dimensions of your room?

 

[Frank Harvey]

I was about to ask the same thing

 

[Anonymous]

thanks musiccraft i will check them speakers out

my room size i think i got this right, the length is 4.5 meters x 3.7 m in width