Haha, so true!jjbomber said:insider9 said:Just a little bit of fun. Have a look at the link here. Download install, plug your headphones in and enjoy.
Watch the M&S Christmas ad. What does the burgler say to Paddington Bear at the end? If you think he swears, you are going deaf!
That would be great but Philips website doesn't seem to have the software anymore.Vladimir said:That Harman test/training is exhausting. The Philips Golden Ear was bit more amusing.
Electro said:
It give it time. As your system is new you will notice different things over a period of time. Then and only then you'll be able to tell the finest details apart. I wouldn't worry it may not be your hearing just that there's too much I to to process.newlash09 said:and it runs in the family. Recently had an friend over to listen to my system. He claimed to hear differences between the dac's and even cables. And that kind of left me thinking if iam paying for benefits that I can't really hear.
newlash09 said:and it runs in the family. Recently had an friend over to listen to my system. He claimed to hear differences between the dac's and even cables. And that kind of left me thinking if iam paying for benefits that I can't really hear.
This is very relevant. And yet...surely, whatever one hears it is the brain doing the perceiving, so if the aging rocker mixes what he hears it will still equal the original event, won’t it? Otherwise, many recordings would have greatly exaggerated treble...andyjm said:newlash09 said:and it runs in the family. Recently had an friend over to listen to my system. He claimed to hear differences between the dac's and even cables. And that kind of left me thinking if iam paying for benefits that I can't really hear.
We all are.
Age related hearing loss is a fact unfortunately. At 40 years old, your hearing will be at least 15dB down from 4KHz onward in comparison with your younger self (remember dB is a log scale, 3dB is half as sensitive, so 15dB is a big decline). Again at 40, 14KHz is going to be about the limit of your hearing. This continues to worsen with age. A Google search for age related hearing loss will bring up many scary graphs about what awaits all of us.
The much quoted 20Hz to 20KHz range really only applies to young children before the inevitable noise pollution, wear and tear of your hearing equipment and age related decay cuts in.
It is an interesting question if some aging rocker with trashed hearing is sitting in the control room directing the mix, who is he mixing it for?
newlash09 said:Thought I'd mention this here, to avoid another cable war if I mention this in a seperate post. I went to listen to my friends setup yesterday. He has Yamaha active speakers with 12 inch drivers. The source was the wxc-50 going into a north star dac. The detail and clarity was amazing. And when he changed the power cable that came with the yamaha, and replaced it with the white cable, that came with his airport express. The jump in clarity and detail was really noticable. That got me thinking that even power cables make a difference. And later we changed to the Chromecast audio, and when changing the default usb cable to audioquest cinnamon, again the detail was improved over the stock usb cable. I was actually glad to hear the differences.
nopiano said:This is very relevant. And yet...surely, whatever one hears it is the brain doing the perceiving, so if the aging rocker mixes what he hears it will still equal the original event, won’t it? Otherwise, many recordings would have greatly exaggerated treble...andyjm said:newlash09 said:and it runs in the family. Recently had an friend over to listen to my system. He claimed to hear differences between the dac's and even cables. And that kind of left me thinking if iam paying for benefits that I can't really hear.
We all are.
Age related hearing loss is a fact unfortunately. At 40 years old, your hearing will be at least 15dB down from 4KHz onward in comparison with your younger self (remember dB is a log scale, 3dB is half as sensitive, so 15dB is a big decline). Again at 40, 14KHz is going to be about the limit of your hearing. This continues to worsen with age. A Google search for age related hearing loss will bring up many scary graphs about what awaits all of us.
The much quoted 20Hz to 20KHz range really only applies to young children before the inevitable noise pollution, wear and tear of your hearing equipment and age related decay cuts in.
It is an interesting question if some aging rocker with trashed hearing is sitting in the control room directing the mix, who is he mixing it for?
newlash09 said:and it runs in the family. Recently had an friend over to listen to my system. He claimed to hear differences between the dac's and even cables. And that kind of left me thinking if iam paying for benefits that I can't really hear.
newlash09 said:I have always been somebody who couldnt hear differences between DAC's, forget speakers
But the difference I heard that day was real. And I want to keep it subdued, because I don't know much about the whole audio thing. And the last thing I want is to be technically examined regarding how I heard it...
andyjm said:newlash09 said:I have always been somebody who couldnt hear differences between DAC's, forget speakers
But the difference I heard that day was real. And I want to keep it subdued, because I don't know much about the whole audio thing. And the last thing I want is to be technically examined regarding how I heard it...
Newlash, I don't doubt you heard a difference, that's the whole point. The question is whether the difference you heard was due to a difference in the sound out of the speaker (from your description of the technical changes made, almost certainly not), or whether your perception was altered because of the changes made and expectations around them (the most likely outcome).
I don't know why you wouldn't want to discuss this further - why post on an internet forum otherwise? - and frankly if you are interested in improving the sound out of your system this might be something you would want to be aware of and try and guard against as you try to make improvements.
Unfortunately there is a whole industry based on biases of this nature, and many, many posts on this forum.
QuestForThe13thNote said:andyjm said:newlash09 said:I have always been somebody who couldnt hear differences between DAC's, forget speakers
But the difference I heard that day was real. And I want to keep it subdued, because I don't know much about the whole audio thing. And the last thing I want is to be technically examined regarding how I heard it...
Newlash, I don't doubt you heard a difference, that's the whole point. The question is whether the difference you heard was due to a difference in the sound out of the speaker (from your description of the technical changes made, almost certainly not), or whether your perception was altered because of the changes made and expectations around them (the most likely outcome).
I don't know why you wouldn't want to discuss this further - why post on an internet forum otherwise? - and frankly if you are interested in improving the sound out of your system this might be something you would want to be aware of and try and guard against as you try to make improvements.
Unfortunately there is a whole industry based on biases of this nature, and many, many posts on this forum.
I went to buy a new car which was 150 hp against my current 100hp. I’m sure it was bias though because it has a go faster stripe and aggressive boy racer looks, not to mention more expensive. Even though I felt a great shove in the back of my seat every time I went on the gas, my friend asked me to think about bias, so I took his advice and ended up not buying. Lol.
QuestForThe13thNote said:Can I ask you what system you have and changes made that lead you to your view?