i need some help about bookshelf speakers..

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Hi everyone,

First of all i would like to apologyse for my english because i'm not from here...

Here is the pb:

I'v got an AV amp (Yamaha RXV 1900) and i need speakers in order to have 5.1 system.

My room is 16m2.

i am looking for bookshelf speakers.

My amp is 8ohms so perhaps should i look only at the 8ohms speakers?

For the sub i'm going to purchase a BK elec XLS 200DF so i don't realy care about the bass for my speakers and i'm focus on the rest.

I want a great top and midrange. With clear but not agressive treble.

The XLS 200 will do the work for low frequency.

I'm looking for a plenty and rich sound with good depth and a good spatialisation because my using is essentialy for movies..

The pb for the speakers is that i simply can't go to listen to them because those who interest me are not available in my place.

I'm hesitating between:

*Tannoy Mercury V1 (8ohms)

*Mission MX1 (8ohms)

*Dali Zensor 1 (6 ohms)

*Q Acoustics 2010

I'v already listen to the Wharfedale 10.1 with an hifi amp from denon and i was a bit disappointed.

Perhaps the speakers where too new or the room too big but i don't know, the sound was ok but just ok...

i felt nothing special...

Acording to you which speakers could match very well with my Yam?

Last thing, few years ago i listened to KEF IQ30 VS B&W 685.

Theses speakers are too expensive for me but in order to put you on the right track to define the sound i like i just want to say to you that i definitely prefer the aerial sound of the KEF.

The B&W seem lacklustre compared to the kef..

Anyway thank you very much to take the time to read me and if anyone could help me out it will be very great!

Axel

 

[MUSICRAFT]

Hi Axel

Monitor Audio speakers are worth serious consideration as they form an excellent match with Yamaha AV receivers Speakers from the Bronze BX series or Silver RX series should do the trick for you

Btw, the RX-V1900 can also drive speakers with impedances lower then 8 ohms as long as the speakers are not a reactive load and that you're not after constant disco like levels.

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

 

[Anonymous]

Thank you for your both answers!

It's a relief to know that my amp could drive speakers which are not 8ohms...

For the Monitor Audio, why not but my budget is very tight so it will be the BX1..

And i see on the review that the BX1 don't seem to be as good as his big sisiter..

An other thing, i'v read that this range (BX) is not very "subtil" so that's why i didn't put this brand on my short list.

Maybe it's a mistake.

I listened one year ago to the RX6 VS the Audium Comp5 and the Audium Comp5 was much better in every point to my ears..

But i will reconsider the BX1.

For the KEF Q300 it would be a dream... I love the Kef sound but these speakers a too much expensive for me.

I'm looking for the best speakers <200£ and most important, the best match with my amp.

Between the Tannoy Mercury V1, the Mission MX1, the Dali Zensor 1 and maybe the Q Acoustics 2010 anyone could have clue?

Thank you very much.

It's nice to you to help me...

 

[Anonymous]

Welcome Axel, I would suggest if you like the KEF sound, the new Q300 x 4 and either the Q200c or Q600c would be a could match for your AVR and they sound excellent. Good luck!

 

[Anonymous]

Between the Tannoy Mercury V1, the Mission MX1, the Dali Zensor 1 and maybe the Q Acoustics 2010 anyone could have clue?

Tannoy and Dali are probably closest to Kef in house sound, but I haven't heard any of the mentioned speakers. I think the Dali would match better with your amp.

 

[sta99y]

For £200 I'd be looking for 2nd hand Kef eggs as these will partner your Yamaha perfectly for the money.

Seen quite a few sets of Eggs go for just over £200 for 5 speakers without the sub. Good luck buddy

 

[Anonymous]

@sta99y

Thanks for the reply!

I was always a bit affraid about satelite speakers as "eggs".

I Listen one time to the B&W MT25 and i didn't like the sound at all.

There is so many review who seem to say that the kef eggs are very good but i couldn't listen to.

There is a pack Kef 3005 which is in my price range but i always thought a little bookshelf speakers will better performe..

Perhaps i'm wrong.

Anyway you say something that interest me a lot: You saw few set of 5 eggs, can you tell me where can i find that?

I realy don't know if i'm going to go with this but i always prefer to have the same speakers for the front. I don't like in general the center chanel.

3 indentical speakers for the front is the best combo for me.

@tremon

Thanks for the reply too!

Do you mind if you could talk me a little more about the Dali and the Tannoy sound?

Why do you think it's close to the kef sound?

And finaly why do you think my amp could match better with the Dali?

Thank you so much, it's very nice and disturbing at the same time to notice that in foreign forum i have A LOT more help than those in my native language...

So thank you again

 

[Anonymous]

Do you mind if you could talk me a little more about the Dali and the Tannoy sound?

Why do you think it's close to the kef sound?

And finaly why do you think my amp could match better with the Dali?

This is all unavoidably subjective, so please do verify for yourself. In the end, only your own ears matter...

I would characterize Kef as an honest but direct speaker. Kef favours accuracy over weight, and takes a particular no-frills approach to reproducing sound: no particular frequency range will stand out unless your amplifier makes it so. These are speakers that force you to take notice, not by blowing you away but by captivating you.

In contrast, Dali speakers tend to take a more backseat role. They have less of an in-your-face presence, and in my view have a slightly smoother high-frequency reproduction. Tannoy speakers (compared to Kef or Dali) tend to have a slight emphasis on the lower registers (bass and lower mid), while being similar to Kef in other aspects (e.g. imaging).

In general, Yamaha amps have a neutral-to-warm sound but can have brightness issues. Partnering with Kef might bring out that brightness (or it could be a perfect match -- you decide), while the combination with Tannoy might over-emphasize the mids (which is perfect for vocals, not so great for rock/dance -- you decide). Beyond that: Dali just makes fabulous speakers that go well with a large range of amps

But if you're looking for a 5.1 system, you should consider a Kef KHT package as well. If anything, it provides you with identical satellite speakers for the center+rear positions, and you can always go for separate front speakers later -- giving you a nice 7.1 set. Or, go for front speakers first and get a 5.1 set later...

 

[sta99y]

@sta99y

Thanks for the reply!

I was always a bit affraid about satelite speakers as "eggs".

I Listen one time to the B&W MT25 and i didn't like the sound at all.

There is so many review who seem to say that the kef eggs are very good but i couldn't listen to.

There is a pack Kef 3005 which is in my price range but i always thought a little bookshelf speakers will better performe..

Perhaps i'm wrong.

Anyway you say something that interest me a lot: You saw few set of 5 eggs, can you tell me where can i find that?

I realy don't know if i'm going to go with this but i always prefer to have the same speakers for the front. I don't like in general the center chanel.

3 indentical speakers for the front is the best combo for me.

@tremon

Thanks for the reply too!

Do you mind if you could talk me a little more about the Dali and the Tannoy sound?

Why do you think it's close to the kef sound?

And finaly why do you think my amp could match better with the Dali?

Thank you so much, it's very nice and disturbing at the same time to notice that in foreign forum i have A LOT more help than those in my native language...

So thank you again

Hi, Kef eggs are always popping up on eBay auction site, many a time minus the subwoofer. All eggs are identical speakers so the F/L/C and surrounds sound exact the same so to speak, some of the later eggs have a slightly larger centre I believe. Partnering with Yamaha av amps give a warm sound IMO and this is only my opinion so pls no debates on this.

A worthy step if your on a budget IMO.
Good luck.

 

[Anonymous]

@tremon

Many thanks for your very detailled answer!

@sta99y

Thanks for the advice too!

Now i decide to focus myself on the price... I couldn't have 3 Zensor 1 for the front et 2 Zensor 1 for the rear because all the dealer refuse it. I can understand that. They seem to say to me that the zensor is very very good for music but for home cinema they all say that i should consider the Monitor audio BX range or BR range...

Tomorrow morning i'm going to the place to a guy who nicely invit me to listen to his system which is composed of BX2 with my amp (Yamaha RXV 1900) he says to me that the BX1 (which are in my price range) sound the same but with less bass.

I don't really care for the bass because of my BK XLS 200.

So here is the final step:

There is a seller who propose to sell me 2 pairs of BX1 at the normal price (180£x2) and a demo pair of BX1 half price (90£)
At the end i have 6 BX1 speakers for 450£

Now i'm hesitating between this option (6 BX1) but one BX1 is useless. Plus the BK elec XKS200DF (314,95£) Total= 450+314,95= 764,95£

Or, simply the KEF KHT3005SE = 799£

Or there is a last option which is 6 BR1 (new) for 375£ plus the BK sub at 314,95£ Total= 689,95£

What should i do?
I really don't know what to do...

To remember my amp is a Yamaha RXV 1900

Many thanks to everybody for the help you bring to me!

Much appreciated