High-res audio: any questions (for Sony)?

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fr0g said:
chebby said:
Discussions about cameras are rubbish without photos. (And I don't mean photos of cameras.)

Prove the point of your arguments with some nice pictures instead.

To demonstrate the point I was trying to make (and which AL was trying his best to misunderstand), you would need to get 2 pictures, taken of the same subject with the different cameras, then show them full screen on a laptop.

Seeing as a full HD laptop is around 2 Mp (1920x1080), even a 2 Mp dSLR image will look better than a 20 Mp phone cam image.

It isn't quite so easy on a rather wonky forum.

However, I will try and do this sometime. 🙂

I just wanted some nice photos to enjoy while you all argue about megapixels.

I assume that two people with such an obvious passion for photography can rustle something up for us 🙂
 
fr0g said:
John Duncan said:
fr0g said:
a rather wonky forum

It's open source, feel free to fix it. Unless it was a typo, obv...

really? interesting...and no, not a typo ... 🙂

Aye. Though tbf, by the time you did they'd probably have moved to v7 which might fix everything. And most issues would be dealt with if they installed the latest version of TinyMCE anyway. I may have mentioned this.
 
fr0g said:
Joe Cox said:
davedotco said:
There is absolutely no reason to bring science or mathematics into the process that brought your hi-fi and your enjoyment of it to it's present state.

It works for you, delivers what you want and there is absolutely no need to bring calculus into it.
Indeed 🙂

Absolutely indeed so long as you're also honest. Sadly lacking in the Hi-fi and music industry and surrounding media corps.

Why not a campaign against the loudness wars, instead of the pushing of unnecessary and misleading formats which bring nothing to the table; unless of course you're a shareholder of one of the aformentioned?

aka Burn the Witch!!!
 
Andy Madden said:
Hi all.

Just a little update from yesterday. Unfortunately the meeting was a little more focused on the hardware than the software and as there was no representative from the Sony Music present, it wasn't possible to get many of the answers on questions about future formats, download services etc. I'm currently in the process of trying to make contact with the music label to see if we can get any more information...

That's a shame, because as much as Sony wants to promote their new kit, there is loads of equipment able to play/process HD files, but there isn't that much HD music actually available.
 
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I'm not sure if this is related... however...

I've run some matched volume level, A/B's between the RB CD track, and the Two channel DSD track on some of my hybrid SACD's.

As such, there is a difference - advantage DSD - BUT, it's subtle to say the least, and I would not fancy my chances of picking the difference in a blind ABX at all.

Discs which have been originally mastered in DSD generally show a slightly greater advantage, than discs which have been mastered in PCM and then converted to DSD.

However, the BIG advantage is discrete, multi-channel surround sound, which for classical and jazz, knocks 2 channel stereo (be it RB CD or SACD) into a cocked hat if we're talking a sense of realism and that elusive 'the closest approach to the original sound'

If these new discs offer MC surround sound, I'll be buying without hesitation - and to my mind based on my experience of discrete surround sound music, that will be the biggest advantage of the new format IMHO.

Regards

JMac.... 8)
 
JMacMan said:
I'm not sure if this is related... however...

I've run some matched volume level, A/B's between the RB CD track, and the Two channel DSD track on some of my hybrid SACD's.

As such, there is a difference - advantage DSD - BUT, it's subtle to say the least, and I would not fancy my chances of picking the difference in a blind ABX at all.

Discs which have been originally mastered in DSD generally show a slightly greater advantage, than discs which have been mastered in PCM and then converted to DSD.

However, the BIG advantage is discrete, multi-channel surround sound, which for classical and jazz, knocks 2 channel stereo (be it RB CD or SACD) into a cocked hat if we're talking a sense of realism and that elusive 'the closest approach to the original sound'

If these new discs offer MC surround sound, I'll be buying without hesitation - and to my mind based on my experience of discrete surround sound music, that will be the biggest advantage of the new format IMHO.

Regards

JMac.... 8)

As previously mentioned, I cannot tell any difference on the two channel recordings, but I am in complete agreement about the superiority of multi channel sound if it is done properly. The work of Steve Wilson on the King Crimson DVD-A reissues is a particularly fine example.
 
fr0g said:
Joe Cox said:
davedotco said:
There is absolutely no reason to bring science or mathematics into the process that brought your hi-fi and your enjoyment of it to it's present state.

It works for you, delivers what you want and there is absolutely no need to bring calculus into it.

Indeed 🙂

Absolutely indeed so long as you're also honest. Sadly lacking in the Hi-fi and music industry and surrounding media corps.

Why not a campaign against the loudness wars, instead of the pushing of unnecessary and misleading formats which bring nothing to the table; unless of course you're a shareholder of one of the aformentioned?

Yes, we're being honest... but thanks for checking!

It's clearly a subject of interest so we're talking about it. If we don't think something is good/better, then we say so, as we have always done with any product – that's what we do. And in our high-res audio guide we clearly say, if you can't hear a difference, then it's not for you. We'll keep reporting on developments as clearly many people are interested.
 
Only audiophiles spend their money on foo - they know what they're getting into. Why be concerned how they spend their money?
 
byakuya83 said:
Only audiophiles spend their money on foo - they know what they're getting into. Why be concerned how they spend their money?

Because it isn't only audiophiles. Most people in my situation have previously been led up the garden path by claims that certain things are better.

People trust advice from magazines such as this, and while (as stated above) they say "try for yourself"...People will often "not" hear a difference, but buy anyway because they feel shamed into it.

I challenge anyone to pass a blind test of a 24/96 recording compared to the same recording properly downsampled to 16/44.1. They won't.
 
Joe Cox said:
fr0g said:
Joe Cox said:
davedotco said:
There is absolutely no reason to bring science or mathematics into the process that brought your hi-fi and your enjoyment of it to it's present state.

It works for you, delivers what you want and there is absolutely no need to bring calculus into it.

Indeed 🙂

Absolutely indeed so long as you're also honest. Sadly lacking in the Hi-fi and music industry and surrounding media corps.

Why not a campaign against the loudness wars, instead of the pushing of unnecessary and misleading formats which bring nothing to the table; unless of course you're a shareholder of one of the aformentioned?

Yes, we're being honest... but thanks for checking!

It's clearly a subject of interest so we're talking about it. If we don't think something is good/better, then we say so, as we have always done with any product – that's what we do. And in our high-res audio guide we clearly say, if you can't hear a difference, then it's not for you. We'll keep reporting on developments as clearly many people are interested.

The "problem" for me is that 24/96 recordings ARE often better, but not because the format makes them so.

The same mastering could be done with the CD, but it isn't

That's where the dishonesty is.
 
I agree about the mastering, I have played some well recorded jazz on sites like spotify and deezer and the sound quality even at 160khzs is better than many cds.

If you play samples from sites like High Res Audio over the internet what is it being streamed at 320kbps? Some of those sound excellent but are they 24 bit?
 

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