Hegel integrated amplifiers

[davidf]

In your opinion., How would you know
Mention them again and and your post could be deleted as you are clearly annoying another dealer.

How is mentioning them annoying a dealer who doesn't deal with them?

The point I’m trying to make is that some manufacturers insist on a physical connection to reduce/remove any possibility of WiFi causing any connection issues. If there’s user issues, WiFi can be ruled out as it’s not an option anyway.

 

[MUSICRAFT]

Most people, it would seem, would rather put up with possible dodgy WiFi rather than having to run physical cables for miles around the house.

Al I've found that over the last few years many end users now require and consider it a prerequisite for the all in one (Amp/DAC/Streamer/Phono Stage) type products in particular that in addition to hard wire they also have the ability to stream over Wi-Fi. I think this is perfectly understandable.

 

[davidf]

What people want and what people need aren’t always the same thing.

I’ve come across a number of people who can’t use WiFi due to the build of their premises, which also means they can’t easily run ethernet cables (thick walls, dense buildings etc).

 

[Deliriumbassist]

What people want and what people need aren’t always the same thing.

I’ve come across a number of people who can’t use WiFi due to the build of their premises, which also means they can’t easily run ethernet cables (thick walls, dense buildings etc).

And on top of that you have many users who have zero idea about how a network, well... works. Even a basic knowledge goes far, but so few people have that.

 

[MUSICRAFT]

I’ve come across a number of people who can’t use WiFi due to the build of their premises

Thankfully products available such as Expert Pro's offer an ideal solution. If your Wi-Fi is an issue then hard wire the components concerned and stream. If Wi-Fi is not an issue then use and enjoy the convenience of streaming over Wi-Fi. A win- win for the owner.

 

[davidf]

Thankfully products available such as Expert Pro's offer an ideal solution. If your Wi-Fi is an issue then hard wire the components concerned and stream. If Wi-Fi is not an issue then use and enjoy the convenience of streaming over Wi-Fi. A win- win for the owner.

You obviously took from that what you wanted and replied with another plug - and I’m the one being judged …

“I’ve come across a number of people who can’t use WiFi due to the build of their premises, which also means they can’t easily run ethernet cables (thick walls, dense buildings etc).”

Meaning, WiFi won’t work, and physical connection isn’t possible.

 

[MUSICRAFT]

You are more than welcome to think and say what you like to me

 

[Oxfordian]

WiFi is definitely convenient but it isn’t always what the user wants or needs, and where it is a want or need for WiFi other factors can get in the way to stop it working as well as it could.

My Hegel is hard wired to the modem, whilst my TV is WiFi connected, my desktop computer is also connect via WiFi.

BT is my provider on a full fibre package, and very reliable they have been on the hard wired connection and via WiFi.

If I had had my way the whole house would have been hard wired as I just think it gives a better connection, not necessarily more convenient just a better more reliable connection.

 

[Witterings]

“I’ve come across a number of people who can’t use WiFi due to the build of their premises, which also means they can’t easily run ethernet cables (thick walls, dense buildings etc).”

Meaning, WiFi won’t work, and physical connection isn’t possible.

In this modern world, internet access, either wired or WiFi shouldnn't be an issue and most problems relatively easily resolved using powerline adapters either for a hardwire or to provide a WiFi access point closer to where it's required.

My place, the line coming into the building couldn't be in a worse possible place but I've managed to extend it throughout the property at a cost tha's a fraction of what people spend on a single piece of HiFi equipment.

 

[MUSICRAFT]

In this modern world, internet access, either wired or WiFi shouldnn't be an issue and most problems relatively easily resolved using powerline adapters either for a hardwire or to provide a WiFi access point closer to where it's required.

My place, the line coming into the building couldn't be in a worse possible place but I've managed to extend it throughout the property at a cost tha's a fraction of what people spend on a single piece of HiFi equipment.

Indeed Funnily enough was at a clients house yesterday. He told me that he'd seen this thread and found it "bizzare" at the negativity towards Wi-Fi and that he'd never have bought his Selekt DSM (Linn) if it didn't have ability to stream over Wi-Fi.

 

[James105]

Most people, it would seem, would rather put up with possible dodgy WiFi rather than having to run physical cables for miles around the house.
For Hegel to say well that's what you are going to have to do must surely limit sales?

I'm going to "plug" home plugs here in certain rooms with certain equipment the wifi in my house can be unreliable so I use those, with the plug socket so I don't lose a socket. For those who mayn't know these things use the mains wiring to carry the signal.

Of course if the house ever needs rewiring I'll pull cat 5 to every room.

 

[davidf]

There is no negativity towards WiFi.

Just to reiterate for those who are hard of understanding - some manufacturers choose hardwired connections for their network products over WiFi to eliminate the potential issues with WiFi. A hardwired connection means that any wireless network issues are null and void, so if there are network issues, they can only be to do with the actual network or the product itself.

Hegel choose this route, as does Innuos, Lumin, Silent Angel, and also Yamaha used to with their AV receivers. And those are the ones I know of. There will be other manufacturers too, so if you own a product that requires a physical connection for network capabilities, those manufacturers chose that route too. They decided not to leave anything to chance. They chose this route for the homes and areas that have unreliable WiFi, not for those that have perfect WiFi that never slips a beat - much like my own WiFi at home, but I still cable it to reduce potential issues.

I really cannot make it simpler than that.

 

[davidf]

They all offer streaming, but not through wifi, why?

I’ve been informed by one of the representatives of one of the companies I mentioned previously (not Hegel), that putting a powerful antenna near sensitive circuitry will have a negative effect on sound quality. So there’s reason number two, although that’s likely to be their main reason.

 

[MUSICRAFT]

There is no negativity towards WiFi.

Just to reiterate for those who are hard of understanding - some manufacturers choose hardwired connections for their network products over WiFi to eliminate the potential issues with WiFi. A hardwired connection means that any wireless network issues are null and void, so if there are network issues, they can only be to do with the actual network or the product itself.

Hegel choose this route, as does Innuos, Lumin, Silent Angel, and also Yamaha used to with their AV receivers. And those are the ones I know of. There will be other manufacturers too, so if you own a product that requires a physical connection for network capabilities, those manufacturers chose that route too. They decided not to leave anything to chance. They chose this route for the homes and areas that have unreliable WiFi, not for those that have perfect WiFi that never slips a beat - much like my own WiFi at home, but I still cable it to reduce potential issues.

I really cannot make it simpler than that.

Fortunately manufacturers such as Linn, Devialet, Cambridge Audio, Naim Audio, NAD have products that enable the customers to hard wire or use Wi-Fi.

 

[MUSICRAFT]

I’ve been informed by one of the representatives of one of the companies I mentioned previously (not Hegel), that putting a powerful antenna near sensitive circuitry will have a negative effect on sound quality. So there’s reason number two, although that’s likely to be their main reason.

Are you saying or suggesting that manufacturers shouldn't offer Wi-Fi please?

 

[Witterings]

I’ve been informed by one of the representatives of one of the companies I mentioned previously (not Hegel), that putting a powerful antenna near sensitive circuitry will have a negative effect on sound quality. So there’s reason number two, although that’s likely to be their main reason.

Surely they could have it on a circuit that if you're not using WiFi the power to the antenna's cut so it wouldn't interfere with anything.
I'm sure most people would hard wire if they have the option .... but it would also open up their market to those that can't but would use WiFi.

 

[davidf]

Are you saying or suggesting that manufacturers shouldn't offer Wi-Fi please?

No. I’m saying some manufacturers don’t offer it to maintain an unbreakable connection with the router, and based on what I’ve recently been told, to preserve sound quality that could be affected by the wireless aerials used.

 

[Al ears]

Are you saying or suggesting that manufacturers shouldn't offer Wi-Fi please?

No, he appears to be saying some simply choose not to.
That's plainly obvious I thought.
If I could I would have all my kit hardwired to the router, unfortunately, in my house, that isn't possible.
As such I would assume many are in the same situation which may be unfortunate for some manufacturers sales figures.

 

[MUSICRAFT]

No. I’m saying some manufacturers don’t offer it to maintain an unbreakable connection with the router, and based on what I’ve recently been told, to preserve sound quality that could be affected by the wireless aerials used.

I am still unclear. Let's be more specific. Should manufacturers offer hard wire only connection please?

 

[MUSICRAFT]

Surely they could have it on a circuit that if you're not using WiFi the power to the antenna's cut so it wouldn't interfere with anything.
I'm sure most people would hard wire if they have the option .... but it would also open up their market to those that can't but would use WiFi.

Indeed.

 

[Oxfordian]

It doesn't matter whether a manufacturer chooses their internet connection to be hard wired or wifi or a combination of both, there are plenty of options out there for us to choose what suits us best.

Equally we can choose how we have the internet dispersed around our house, through a robust wifi set up or via wired connections or again a combination of both,.

Not sure what the issue is, its just choice.

 

[davidf]

I am still unclear. Let's be more specific. Should manufacturers offer hard wire only connection please?

That’s basically the same as your last question. And if I answer, you won’t understand, and there’ll be another pointless question following it.

 

[MUSICRAFT]

That’s basically the same as your last question. And if I answer, you won’t understand, and there’ll be another pointless question following it.

A simple yes or no will do. Thank you .

 

[nopiano]

Interestingly, our 2021 year LG smart TV has been very reliable using only WiFi even for UHD or 4K video content, and my hunch is that video signals might reveal any conflict twixt Wi-Fi processing and video performance. I certainly can’t seen any issues.

 

[davidf]

A simple yes or no will do. Thank you .

I’ve said everything I need to say - many times - take whatever answer you’re going to take from that.