Hegel H160 vs Hegel H360

[Tim2010]

What are the differences between the two except the H360 got more power.

I was just watching a H160 productvideo by Hegel on Youtube, and they said both players are about the same except for the extra power in the H360.

I can't find much specs. about the DAC for the H160. Does it play DSD, just as the H360?

Can you play 192kHz-24bit FLAC through the coax input? Same for toslink?

Will the device get an MQA-upgrade this year? Or is that impossible? I see they're promoting Tidal at audioshows which should be a good sign for MQA-compability in the future...

What do you need to stream (wired network) your personal lossless/hires collection to the Hegel? Just an App, like the Bluesound or Marantz app?

Any chances it could integrate Roon in the future...

 

[Andrewjvt]

Just read the forum 'hegel music systems' got all the info your after.

 

[Andrewjvt]

Very good offers on musicraft website for h360 and h160

Hegel h360 plus Jl audio E110 10 inch 1200w sub for £3450(rrp £5049)

The offer ends at 9pm tomorrow though so hope you read this. I wish i was buying mine now as could have had a brilliant sub for almost nothing. They also got the E112 for about £200 more.

They have loads of other specials aswell but they look like they are ongoing. Id take a look.

 

[Tim2010]

Hello, I finally decided that I will pick up the H360 in a few months. First, I am ripping my complete cd-collection, which will take up some time (month or 2-3).

Still undecided for the speakers ... I was planning to pick up the ATC-SCM19's (or SCM11's).

But maybe there's a possibility that my setup Hegel H360 and speakers will move to the living room at some point.

The problem is the aesthetics of the ATC's, so we have been looking around for a few weeks and found the KEF R500, KEF R700 and KEF R900 were the ones that would fit perfectly in the design of our living room.

But while I haven't read a bad word about the ATC's, the KEF's get often a few points of criticism: male voices can sound metallic (blame with the speakers, or just bad pairing with the 'wrong' amp), but also bass is not always everyone's cup of tea.

From the knowledge that Hegel uses KEF at audioshows I thought they would be a perfect match? Hopefully without those points of criticism ..

Where I live KEF is easier to get and with far better reductions (continental Europe).

It's driving me crazy

The first year I will still use the components in my small 4 by 4 (metres) hobbyroom?

Can I use 'huge speakers' as the KEF R700 and KEF R900 in such a small room without any problem? Or will this sound too 'boomy'?

 

[CnoEvil]

Hello, I finally decided that I will pick up the H360 in a few months. First, I am ripping my complete cd-collection, which will take up some time (month or 2-3).

Still undecided for the speakers ... I was planning to pick up the ATC-SCM19's (or SCM11's).

But maybe there's a possibility that my setup Hegel H360 and speakers will move to the living room at some point.

The problem is the aesthetics of the ATC's, so we have been looking around for a few weeks and found the KEF R500, KEF R700 and KEF R900 were the ones that would fit perfectly in the design of our living room.

But while I haven't read a bad word about the ATC's, the KEF's get often a few points of criticism: male voices can sound metallic (blame with the speakers, or just bad pairing with the 'wrong' amp), but also bass is not always everyone's cup of tea.

From the knowledge that Hegel uses KEF at audioshows I thought they would be a perfect match? Hopefully without those points of criticism ..

Where I live KEF is easier to get and with far better reductions (continental Europe).

It's driving me crazy

The first year I will still use the components in my small 4 by 4 (metres) hobbyroom?

Can I use 'huge speakers' as the KEF R700 and KEF R900 in such a small room without any problem? Or will this sound too 'boomy'?

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Your dilemma can only be sorted out by listening. I'm a big fan of the R Series, as I find them exciting, detailed and involving, with a lot of impact....but they need an amp that can control their bass....which is a strength of Hegel.

I can't properly comment on the ATCs, but believe that they would be more neutral and may show up poorer recordings for what they are....some people like this and some people don't.

 

[nopiano]

You may have seen from another post that I was at the Bristol show last weekend. Hegel used the stand mounted KEF reference 1, placed well forward from the back wall. There was ample bass, and the overall image size and balance was more akin to what I would have expected from a floorstander.

At this price level, auditioning at home would be essential. That said, I instinctively feel that the 360 model will likely pair well with almost any speaker, but how they behave in your listening room can only be determined by trying it out.

I can't help with the specifics on connectivity, though it doesn't seem overly well equipped with regular rca/phono inputs.

 

[lpv]

why not get SCM40 active version?

 

[Andrewjvt]

I have the kef r700s with the h360 and it sounds very good like cno evil says but when i auditioned the atc scm40s they were much better in the mid and top end.
You can buy my r700s. Im putting them in the auction sight soon.
The atcs will be easier to place also though.
Atcs are in another class above r range imo

 

[Andrewjvt]

You may have seen from another post that I was at the Bristol show last weekend. Hegel used the stand mounted KEF reference 1, placed well forward from the back wall.  There was ample bass, and the overall image size and balance was more akin to what I would have expected from a floorstander. ?

At this price level, auditioning at home would be essential.  That said, I instinctively feel that the 360 model will likely pair well with almost any speaker, but how they behave in your listening room can only be determined by trying it out.?

I can't help with the specifics on connectivity, though it doesn't seem overly well equipped with regular rca/phono inputs. 

You get:
3 optical
1 co ex
1usb
2 rca(1 standard and 1home theater by pass but can be configured to standard rca also)

You also get balanced xlr

 

[iceman16]

Hello, I finally decided that I will pick up the H360 in a few months. First, I am ripping my complete cd-collection, which will take up some time (month or 2-3).

Still undecided for the speakers ... I was planning to pick up the ATC-SCM19's (or SCM11's).

But maybe there's a possibility that my setup Hegel H360 and speakers will move to the living room at some point.

The problem is the aesthetics of the ATC's, so we have been looking around for a few weeks and found the KEF R500, KEF R700 and KEF R900 were the ones that would fit perfectly in the design of our living room.

But while I haven't read a bad word about the ATC's, the KEF's get often a few points of criticism: male voices can sound metallic (blame with the speakers, or just bad pairing with the 'wrong' amp), but also bass is not always everyone's cup of tea.

From the knowledge that Hegel uses KEF at audioshows I thought they would be a perfect match? Hopefully without those points of criticism ..

Where I live KEF is easier to get and with far better reductions (continental Europe).

It's driving me crazy

The first year I will still use the components in my small 4 by 4 (metres) hobbyroom?

Can I use 'huge speakers' as the KEF R700 and KEF R900 in such a small room without any problem? Or will this sound too 'boomy'?

Your dilemma can only be sorted out by listening. I'm a big fan of the R Series, as I find them exciting, detailed and involving, with a lot of impact....but they need an amp that can control their bass....which is a strength of Hegel.

I can't properly comment on the ATCs, but believe that they would be more neutral and may show up poorer recordings for what they are....some people like this and some people don't.

I would like to hear the 360 whats its all about!.. Plinius(Hautonga) failed me dont know.

 

[iceman16]

No.. dont temp me! The AMS 35i will stay no matter what!

 

[Jota180]

The H160 doesn't do DSD.

 

[Andrewjvt]

The H160 doesn't do DSD.

Yes you right but hes getting the 360 that does do dsd

I cant even find any decent downloads to test it on though

 

[Jota180]

The H160 doesn't do DSD.

Yes you right but hes getting the 360 that does do dsd

I cant even find any decent downloads to test it on though

http://dsd-guide.com/where-can-you-find-dsd-music-downloads

Big old list here.

 

[Andrewjvt]

The H160 doesn't do DSD.

Yes you right but hes getting the 360 that does do dsd

I cant even find any decent downloads to test it on though

http://dsd-guide.com/where-can-you-find-dsd-music-downloads

Big old list here.

Ill have a look but i need something in my taste so i can compare with my originals. Hd tracks do a few in hires but to me it looks up scaled.

 

[CnoEvil]

Another change in plans (probably). I could move to another room with better acoustics, but the downside is, it's only 3,7m x 3,7m (which is about 12 ft x 12 ft).

I'm sure my amplifier will be the Hegel H360 ... but with the change of room the choice of speakers could become more delicate?

The speakers I initially wanted were the KEF R700's (also for design-reasons), but I'm afraid these speakers will be just too big for this space?

I'v been reading many topics at audio-related sites, but opinions vary. Some say 10-12feet room is already OK for floorstanders, others say that only bookshelve/monitor speakers will give good results.

It's difficult to demo these speakers where I live, any opinions?

My second choice would be ATC-SCM19 (if too big for my room ATC-SCM11 as another option). But the problem is the design ... At some point the hifi-set could move to the living room (but not sure yet) and they don't like the 'basic rough looks' of these speakers.

What about the B&W CM6 S2's? They got mixed reviews, although according some people they sound amazing on powerful amps (which is the Hegel). Possibly the reviews were done with amps that didn't match very well with the speakers? Someone in a shop (with 25 years experience) in the musicindustry told me that they sound absolutely amazing, while I know he's not a fan of mainstream hifi-brands.

Can someone please give me some good advice? Demo'ing the KEF's at home is no option sadly.

Kef has speakers for all size rooms - R500, R300, R100, LS50.

The ATCs are also an excellent choice, but you would need to demo both brands, even if it's only at the dealer. They will sound quite different to each other and you are very likely to have a preference.

 

[Tim2010]

Another change in plans (probably). I could move to another room with better acoustics, but the downside is, it measures 3,7m x 3,7m (which is about 12 ft x 12 ft). Room with only sofa, TV on the wall and a stand with my hifi-gear + Ikea Expedit where i store my records.

I'm sure my amplifier will be the Hegel H360 ... but with the change of room the choice of speakers could become more delicate?

The speakers I initially wanted were the KEF R700's (also for design-reasons), but I'm afraid these speakers will be just too big for this space?

I'v been reading many topics at audio-related sites, but opinions vary. Some say 10-12feet room is already OK for floorstanders, others say that only bookshelve/monitor speakers will give good results.

It's difficult to demo these speakers where I live, any opinions?

My second choice would be ATC-SCM19 (if too big for my room ATC-SCM11 as another option). But the problem is the design ... At some point the hifi-set could move to the living room (but not sure yet) and they don't like the 'basic rough looks' of these speakers.

What about the B&W CM6 S2's? They got mixed reviews, although according some people they sound amazing on powerful amps (which is the Hegel). Possibly the reviews were done with amps that didn't match very well with the speakers? Someone in a shop (with 25 years experience) in the musicindustry told me that they sound absolutely amazing, while I know he's not a fan of mainstream hifi-brands.

Can someone please give me some good advice? Demo'ing the KEF's at home is no option sadly.

 

[Tim2010]

The question is, will the KEF's R700's suit in the room?

I'm not too excited about the smaller size speakers of KEF (LS50, R100, R300) which I could audition in a 'mainstream' shop.

If not I will go for the ATC's I think.

ATC I am able to audition but not with Hegel amp.

 

[NSA_watch_my_toilet]

Hey Tim2010. Congrats for the new amp. If you are from GB, don't forget to check out Wilmslow audio clones of the ATC's. They are great buddies too.

 

[Tim2010]

Nope, not in the UK.

I just wanted to know if the KEF R300 would fit in such a 'small room'.

If not, I would chose the ATC-SCM19.

Or B&W CM6S2, if it's true that they sound good with powerful amplification.

 

[Andrewjvt]

Nope, not in the UK.

I just wanted to know if the KEF R300 would fit in such a 'small room'.

If not, I would chose the ATC-SCM19.

Or B&W CM6S2, if it's true that they sound good with powerful amplification.

 

Imo no contest as atc will sound better and be easier to place..
But the r300 is also a very good speakers and will sound more like a floor stander.

Ive comparred the r300 to my r700s side by side and not a massive difference

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Can someone help the chap who's just got his Dali opticon 8 speakers please as he has had some bad luck with the first set of speakers they set him so hoping he has not got an issue with this set of speakers as he is getting hum from one of the speakers and I do not know much about mono block amps to help him out

thanks

 

[Tim2010]

Decision has been made.

Will be Hegel H360 with ATC SCM19.

But one more problem, where can I find the official SCM19 speaker stands and what do they cost?

At the ATC website they're always paired with beautiful stands but I can't find them nowhere? Hope they aren't too expensive either?

Hope to get a reduction on the speakers to invest in a speaker stand.

What speaker cable to use + 1 coax + 2 interconnects? (can't afford an extra 1000€ on extra's).

 

[Andrewjvt]

Decision has been made.

Will be Hegel H360 with ATC SCM19.

But one more problem, where can I find the official SCM19 speaker stands and what do they cost?

At the ATC website they're always paired with beautiful stands but I can't find them nowhere? Hope they aren't too expensive either?

Hope to get a reduction on the speakers to invest in a speaker stand.

What speaker cable to use + 1 coax + 2 interconnects? (can't afford an extra 1000€ on extra's).

Great choice and great matching enjoy
Id just get decent but not highly expensive interconects but id get thick 6mm ofc coper cable. Good quality does not have to be a 'brand'

For stands id look at partington super dreadnaughts or the similar product that you can 3/4 fill with sand

 

[MUSICRAFT]

Decision has been made.

Will be Hegel H360 with ATC SCM19.

But one more problem, where can I find the official SCM19 speaker stands and what do they cost?

At the ATC website they're always paired with beautiful stands but I can't find them nowhere? Hope they aren't too expensive either?

Hope to get a reduction on the speakers to invest in a speaker stand.

What speaker cable to use + 1 coax + 2 interconnects? (can't afford an extra 1000€ on extra's).

Hi Tim2010

You should also look at Q Acoustics Concept 20 speaker stands. Fwiw, Concept 20 stands are the stands we've used with curved SCM19 passive monitors over the last three years.

As for cabling basic 'freebie' interconnects for analogue/digital use and standard 79 strand or 500 strand OFC speaker cables will do nicely. As with speaker stands these are the interconnects and speaker cables we've used with the H360 and curved SCM19 passive monitors.

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft