Future Format To Replace Blu-Ray??

[Anonymous]

manicm:'
So if you read carefully you'd note that this software does not let you rip Blurays in any shape or form but simply bypasses copy protection on the display interface i.e. to allow one to view the movie on your PC on various displays but ALWAYS WITH THE DISC.



Ah, the ignorance of someone who doesn't actually use the software they're commentating on. No, of course you can't rip BDs using AnyDVD. Just like you can't get an R5 DVD-quality rip of District 9 from Usenet/Torrents.

At the end of the day (to use a much overused phrase), the studios have no one to blame but themselves. The big leaks are internal (and they're possibly complicit in those leaks - Wolverine anyone?) and their current business model is a joke. It's based on raping the *** out of consumers before they transition to even more restrictive digital formats that will inevitably be circumvented by 'pirates'. Even the artists are revolting against these companies.

 

[The_Lhc]

ediots:the_lhc: You're STILL missing the point. YOU won't need to keep a copy at all! Take something like Sky Movies for instance, do you download the film from them and keep a copy of it? No, you just watch it, you don't need to take a backup. It'll be the same regardless of how the content is delivered, whether it's satellite or net based.

No, that actually is my point, I want my collection to be here, my home, in safety and always accessible when I want it, and how often I want it,

No reason why that wouldn't remain always accessible and as for safety? Your collection is all in the same place, suppose you have a house fire, or get burgled, collection gone, granted you can claim on the insurance but you still have to go and buy them all again (and the player, yes). If your collection is, for want of a better word, virtual, you don't have that issue, you get a fire, you simply get a new player, plug it in, there's your collection, safe and sound. Burglar breaks in, there isn't actually anything to steal. Bonus...

and I want to pay for it only once.

There's no technical reason why you wouldn't still be able to do that. In reality there will probably be levels of payment. Say a new film comes out, you could choose the pay as you go option, say a quid or two everytime you watch it (I have to admit I do think 4 quid for Sky Box Office is too expensive, but that's probably nearer the mark, I'm being unreasonably optimistic!), or you could pay a tenner or maybe 15 quid for a lifetime "license" allowing you unlimited viewing. But really, how often do you re-watch EVERY film in your collection? I've got DVDs that I've owned for 5 years and I've NEVER watched them, I've certainly got dozens I've only watched once. The number of films I've watched more than 3 times I can count on one hand.

Bizarrelly, since I got SkyHD and my Plasma I've actually watched a couple of films twice in as many weeks (Iron Man and Penelope, surprisingly good film that...) from Sky Movies, I can't remember EVER doing that before. If I did watch a DVD more than once it would be months possibly years between viewings, it's already changed my viewing habits.

 

[The_Lhc]

ediots:the_lhc: Why would anyone want to watch a movie on their computer? Do you need a PC for Sky? Of course not and you won't need one in the future. Sooner or later the idea of using a PC for watching films or listening to music is going to be looked on a ludicrous. Your screen will be able to connect to the content provider directly and you just watch whatever you want, we're only 1 or maybe 1.5 generations tops away from doing that NOW, we've already got TVs will built-in HD satellite decoders. Like I said, Full HD delivery isn't that much more of a leap. And it WILL happen, bandwidth is only an issue now, eventually legacy cabling will be replaced and with improvements in compression algorithms it just won't be an issue. Ethernet's already at 10Gbit/s. The idea of cabling the world isn't that far-fetched. We've already done it twice, after all...

Computer here is just thing who act as player, you can call that piece of hardware in any other name.

Yes you can but that's not what you said, you were specifically talking about a PC (I've never heard anyone complain that their Blu-Ray player was too noisy).

Here we not must to mix two different things - constant traffic and generated traffic. Satelite (SD or HD does not matter) is a content with fixed traffic - you can watch it or not to watch. With internet (any network) things are different - there always will be issues, ALWAYS. Very simple reason - more service generate more users, more users generate more traffic. Think about it like that - 100 people watching movie from satelite, that is constant traffic. 100 people can choose which movie to watch - is that still will be the same traffic? No, I am not so optimistic about content on demand. As more content we will have from what to choose as more problems with traffic we get. Most of them will decide to watch something different (or maybe I am too optimistic).

No, it won't work now, but we're talking about the future. Yes there will be problems, but there are problems now. I live in the country, but I can't remember the last time my internet connection went down, but we get probably two power cuts a year, doesn't matter what your delivery system is, no power, no film (and that situation is only going to get worse I think).

It'll follow the path music is taking, more tracks are downloaded now than bought on physical media (as far as the singles chart is concerned anyway), lots of people now consider a physical music collection a thing of the past. It's true that the replay mechanism is still catching up, but already there are people (on this forum I believe), who own something like Sonos and ONLY use it with Napster or Internet radio, they don't listen to their own collection at all (something that will only increase as Spotify becomes available on more platforms).

 

[Anonymous]

have you seen the 10Gb cables at all?? aside from being ludicrously expensive the form factor is to large because of trying to keep the crosstalk down, they also don't like small radius bends just like cat 6 cables.i digress anyway!!!

i have another potential issue with this "format", DRM. we all know there will be some form of DRM which is fine, the part i'm not liking is that just about everything will be internet aware and there is a possibility that your legal download or usb stick could be suddenly rendered inoporable because the distributor or studio does not want you to watch it anymore. in a similar way to what amazon did when they remotely deleted peoples books that had been bought legally from them. theres already enough big brother going on!!!!

 

[The_Lhc]

kenda01: have you seen the 10Gb cables at all?? aside from being ludicrously expensive the form factor is to large because of trying to keep the crosstalk down, they also don't like small radius bends just like cat 6 cables.i digress anyway!!!

<Sigh> Yes, I've seen them, we've got a computer room full of them at work. Anyway I wasn't suggesting that we'd have CAT7 all over the place I was merely pointing out that the technology more or less exists now, in another 5, 10, 20, 50 years, who knows what speeds will be available over ordinary cable (or even if we have cable at all)?

i have another potential issue with this "format", DRM. we all know there will be some form of DRM which is fine, the part i'm not liking is that just about everything will be internet aware and there is a possibility that your legal download or usb stick could be suddenly rendered inoporable because the distributor or studio does not want you to watch it anymore. in a similar way to what amazon did when they remotely deleted peoples books that had been bought legally from them. theres already enough big brother going on!!!!

On the other hand, look at all the music download sites that are now going DRM-free. It's not a done deal, yet. Besides, it's possible to stick DRM on physical media, should the publisher wish. And as we've seen with DVDs there are always ways round it, which is why it eventually gets dropped.

 

[Anonymous]

indeedy, 100Gb ethernet is coming, the problem is that ducts are a finite size and cable sizes seem to be going backwards! last time i saw some cat 8 cable it reminded me of the old days of ibm type 1 cable, not very easy to work with i'm sure.

the DRM issue for me is that the studios could end up dictating how long your piece of media should be watchable for and that shouldn't be the case, who wan't to pay £30 for a movie and find they can't watch it 12 months down the line!

when all said and done, yes the internet distribution model and other physical media could work but at a cost that many people probably wouldn't swallow. There could be a fly in the ointment for flash type media to as at this stage people are not sure how long it will actually last for, certainly there is a lifespan on writing to them which is why i wouldn't entertain an SSD drive for my pc.

 

[Anonymous]

the_lhc:

ediots: Computer here is just thing who act as player, you can call that piece of hardware in any other name.

Yes you can but that's not what you said, you were specifically talking about a PC (I've never heard anyone complain that their Blu-Ray player was too noisy).

Here we not must to mix two different things - constant traffic and generated traffic....

No, it won't work now, but we're talking about the future. Yes there will be problems, but there are problems now. I live in the country, but I can't remember the last time my internet connection went down, but we get probably two power cuts a year, doesn't matter what your delivery system is, no power, no film (and that situation is only going to get worse I think).

It'll follow the path music is taking, more tracks are downloaded now than bought on physical media (as far as the singles chart is concerned anyway), lots of people now consider a physical music collection a thing of the past. It's true that the replay mechanism is still catching up, but already there are people (on this forum I believe), who own something like Sonos and ONLY use it with Napster or Internet radio, they don't listen to their own collection at all (something that will only increase as Spotify becomes available on more platforms).

Yes, you are right, I am complaining about my normal computer. I can build a virtually silent computer, but with reduced functionality. Therefore, I will still need one normal. I just wanted to say that dedicated player will be there regardless of storage metod for content and we still need to pay for it. So, we will not have any benefits from this view of point.

Music on demand, Amazon download service, etc. Napster? This from their FAQ:

"3) Why does Napster have the best sound quality?

The Napster music that is downloaded to your computer is in Window Media Audio (WMA) format at 198 Kbps stereo and streamed tracks are 128 Kbps stereo. This high quality allows you to get the most enjoyment from your music however you choose to listen to it. We use Microsoft Windows Media Digital Rights Management software to make sure all the music you have is fast, safe and protected."

About what are we talking here???

If you want to see a future, just look back. Are you using torrent downloads? In dvd era we had dvdrip dowloads starting from 700mb (1cd), in bluray era blurayrip downloads starting from 4500mb (1dvd), and you will see what happens when bluray recording will comes to mass market. Does your internet connection get 6-7 times faster in last few years? My not. And there is already serious talks about mass market 3D bluray movies in next couple years! That will be in double size. Moreover, there is talks about Super HD (7680 x 4320) in London Olypimpics already! The same about music - mp3 downloads against wav, flac and ape. Content size growing up much faster then internet technology, ethernet is only for few hundred metres. Think about computer software, games demands, etc. - tehnology improvements always was enough only for breakfast, at lunchtime we are already hungry. Stupid human nature...

 

[manicm]

the_lhc:

kenda01: have you seen the 10Gb cables at all?? aside from being ludicrously expensive the form factor is to large because of trying to keep the crosstalk down, they also don't like small radius bends just like cat 6 cables.i digress anyway!!!

<Sigh> Yes, I've seen them, we've got a computer room full of them at work. Anyway I wasn't suggesting that we'd have CAT7 all over the place I was merely pointing out that the technology more or less exists now, in another 5, 10, 20, 50 years, who knows what speeds will be available over ordinary cable (or even if we have cable at all)?

i have another potential issue with this "format", DRM. we all know there will be some form of DRM which is fine, the part i'm not liking is that just about everything will be internet aware and there is a possibility that your legal download or usb stick could be suddenly rendered inoporable because the distributor or studio does not want you to watch it anymore. in a similar way to what amazon did when they remotely deleted peoples books that had been bought legally from them. theres already enough big brother going on!!!!

On the other hand, look at all the music download sites that are now going DRM-free. It's not a done deal, yet. Besides, it's possible to stick DRM on physical media, should the publisher wish. And as we've seen with DVDs there are always ways round it, which is why it eventually gets dropped.

the_lhc - do not kid yourself that things like NetFlix downloads are HD quality, or any other download sites - they are more DVD quality.

2nd, until the day that video equivalents of the Linn DS's, Sonos's and Squeezeboxes of this world become ubiquitous, the good ol' DVD and Blu-ray discs are here to stay - but will be the last of their kind.

And another poster here was spot on - I live in SA, and here and in many other countries true HD downloads will, no pun intended, be a pipe dream.

 

[manicm]

Mentasm:manicm:'

So if you read carefully you'd note that this software does not let you rip Blurays in any shape or form but simply bypasses copy protection on the display interface i.e. to allow one to view the movie on your PC on various displays but ALWAYS WITH THE DISC.



Ah, the ignorance of someone who doesn't actually use the software they're commentating on. No, of course you can't rip BDs using AnyDVD. Just like you can't get an R5 DVD-quality rip of District 9 from Usenet/Torrents.

At the end of the day (to use a much overused phrase), the studios have no one to blame but themselves. The big leaks are internal (and they're possibly complicit in those leaks - Wolverine anyone?) and their current business model is a joke. It's based on raping the *** out of consumers before they transition to even more restrictive digital formats that will inevitably be circumvented by 'pirates'. Even the artists are revolting against these companies.

Mentasm, if indeed you could read as well, and see beyond your nose, you'd know my comment was a response to some other ignoramus's comment that this software could indeed rip the discs.

So I kill both birds with one stone and put both of you out of your misery.

 

[Anonymous]

Are you using this software? Then maybe you can check help file where is written:

Rip to image:
This function is available as of version 6462 and allows you to create an ISO image of the disc content. Especially BluRay users prefer working with ISO images and this function was introduced to save a step using other software. For BluRay users, this is an important time-saver allowing an immediate mount of the image to our free Virtual CloneDrive to play the disc from the hard drive with a proper software player. Note that you have the option to keep or remove the protection as the image is created. For non-BD discs, using this option without removing the protection may result in transfering the "bad sector" protection along with the image, which would be undesirable.

 

[Anonymous]

Online distribution of movies will only ever become a viable alternative to Blu-ray when average bandwidth is wide enough to allow streaming at 40-50Mbps. Also, if we're talking about downloading rather than streaming, I just can't see it taking off for at least 5-10 years because of the sheer volume of storage required. For example, I've got around 150 Blu-ray Discs. If each one is 50GB then that's 7.5TB of storage needed for my collection. At current prices, that's several hundred pounds for the storage device(s) alone and that's before you get to the cost of legally downloading a movie which, to date, has not been especially competitive compared to the cost of owning the same movie on physical media.

 

[manicm]

ediots:

Are you using this software? Then maybe you can check help file where is written:

Rip to image:
This function is available as of version 6462 and allows you to create an ISO image of the disc content. Especially BluRay users prefer working with ISO images and this function was introduced to save a step using other software. For BluRay users, this is an important time-saver allowing an immediate mount of the image to our free Virtual CloneDrive to play the disc from the hard drive with a proper software player. Note that you have the option to keep or remove the protection as the image is created. For non-BD discs, using this option without removing the protection may result in transfering the "bad sector" protection along with the image, which would be undesirable.

Ok, I guess I'm the third bird to be hit with my own stone. Still, as playing DVD's off a PC into any display is just awful, I don't expect Blu-rays to be much better in this regard.

I await the Video Sonos, or Lord help my wallet, Linn video DS.