bigboss said:
That's my appraisal, too.
Call me cynical, but if the F8500 runs the ZT65 very close for far less money, I'm buying. Panasonic should have paid greater attention to quality control and customer service.
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That's my appraisal, too.
Call me cynical, but if the F8500 runs the ZT65 very close for far less money, I'm buying. Panasonic should have paid greater attention to quality control and customer service.
bigboss
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bigboss said:
I've read mixed accounts, hopefully better than Panasonic's. At least Samsung allows users to update their televisions' features, in line with newer models.
For me it's about quality of product. If the F8500 is free from glaring flaws and I've got a five year warranty, I'll feel confident about buying.
bigboss
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bigboss said:And you can't go wrong with JL warranty.
The wink concerns me! Are you aware of something I'm not...
So far I've nothing but praise for JL's customer service. The question is, will they stock the F8500?
Nick_Shepherd said:
Last year they ran Panasonic close and Samsung's plasmas actually outperform Panasonic's in certain areas (50Hz motion and IR especially). In terms of black level and out of the box greyscale/colour accuracy, Panasonic's plasmas have had the edge.
I'm not sure looking back tells us much about the F8500, since it's Samsung's first foray into (relatively) high-end plasma production. The product has been re-engineered from the phosphor and panel up.
If the marketing claims hold even vaguely true, the F8500 should outperform Samsung's previous plasma televisions by quite a margin.
strapped for cash said:
With the above in mind and the recent review of Samsung's most expensive 2013 LED TV now online, is there any word on a F8500 review sample?
If the WHF team can advise that'd be greatly appreciated.
Hi Guy's.
Strapped i was wondering if you explain the IRE settings..! Also how do i go about playing around with that setting..It isnt allowing me ... Do i neeed to activate or go into a setting? I'm a novice hence me asking. I hope im not asking a silly question.
Strapped i was wondering if you explain the IRE settings..! Also how do i go about playing around with that setting..It isnt allowing me ... Do i neeed to activate or go into a setting? I'm a novice hence me asking. I hope im not asking a silly question.
No worries.
Remember, you can only adjust detailed gamma settings (and access full colour management options) using the Professional presets.
If you haven't engaged ISF advanced calibration options already, go to "Setup," scroll down to the second page, and swich "Advance(isfccc)" to "on."
Go to the picture controls, scroll down and select "Advanced Settings."
From this screen, select "Gamma."
Go to "More Detailed Adjustment" and you can select and adjust the Gain at 10 IRE up to 100 IRE.
Hope that's easy to follow.
Remember, you can only adjust detailed gamma settings (and access full colour management options) using the Professional presets.
If you haven't engaged ISF advanced calibration options already, go to "Setup," scroll down to the second page, and swich "Advance(isfccc)" to "on."
Go to the picture controls, scroll down and select "Advanced Settings."
From this screen, select "Gamma."
Go to "More Detailed Adjustment" and you can select and adjust the Gain at 10 IRE up to 100 IRE.
Hope that's easy to follow.
bigboss
Moderator
strapped for cash said:bigboss said:And you can't go wrong with JL warranty.
The wink concerns me! Are you aware of something I'm not...
So far I've nothing but praise for JL's customer service. The question is, will they stock the F8500?
There's nothing to worry about my wink.
Thanks starppped. Alway's appreciated. I shall attempt to follow... If not..I'll be back! Lol. ive had my Second GT50 since Jan. Ive noticed very faint lines to the right of the sceen while watching football... All other sources are fine. Just on football this occours...I must stress its faint...I assume this is vertical banding..?
civilian said:
That sounds like vertical banding to me. If it's so faint it doesn't bother you, you've either got a TV that's less affected or you're not as fussy as myself.
If you haven't already, you should try the full professional settings on the first page of this thread, along with the IRE gain settings. If not for the vertical bands, I'd be happy to watch the TV set up this way.
If im honest it does bother me..! I'm always looking out for it..Lol. Everytime i switch the set on to enjoy it i end up ruining my experience by looking out for it...lol. In turn ruin it for others as im always asking them if they can see the fault. I'm just thankfull it only occours on football and is faint... From what ive read i should consider myself lucky as there are worse sets out there.. I assume your set is really bad? I will defo check out your suggested settings.
steve iow
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Hi civilian I've had my 50 GT for nearly a year now, my advice fwiw is try strapped settings, I have and they work for me. Also try not to look for any problems just enjoy, which I think is a great set all the best Steve.
beater
Well-known member
Like others have said, i believe all Panasonic plasmas have vertical banding, i have had two 50VT50's that both had it, and now have the 55VT50 and that also has it, i am just going to see how mine goe's for a bit longer as it's not to bad at the moment, and i am fed up with keep changing tv's.
beater said:
That's my view as well.
I wonder if some people don't spot it because they watch using the Normal preset, which masks the problem a bit because it has a higher default contrast setting. You'd think the solution would be to watch the TV in "Normal" mode, but this introduces picture noise and double imaging through undefeatable sharpening and excessive dithering, which I find just as distracting. I can still see the vertical bands using the Normal preset as well.
If you can get a refund on your VT, you should be able to get a 51" Samsung F8500 for similar money in a few week's time.
civilian said:
Civilian, what are your options with the GT50 now? Is there any chance of a refund?
It sounds like you're not entirely happy with this TV (and I understand why). There's another problem with owning a TV with a recognised fault, namely resale becomes difficult. This means you'd likely be stuck with a TV you don't enjoy watching.
Based on your comments above, I think it's worth having a chat with the retailer and confirming what options are available. Switching TVs is a hassle, but only in the short term. To me, switching is preferable to living with a TV with an annoying defect on a long term basis.
I think i'm doing something wrong..Or i don't understand. I have applied the settings from the first page...Starpped ire i cannot adjust.. Or cant they be adjusted? I have ire from 10 to 100? But i cant - or + them. My options are limited.. At first i was told by JL that giving me a third set would be a waste of time...They gave me an option of refund or replacing for a new set..But only had a week to think about it...I thought that was unfair as there isn;t anything else i would want for the same price. I then got a call the next day by a MANAGER... i was told my options were no longer available and it was a mistake to be told i had them. i was then told they would send an engineer to check the set..i declined and said i would call back if the issue got worse...or i noticed other faults. how would there engineer report it as a fault as it only occours when watching football...and not on any other source.
Civilian,
Just to check, you're changing settings in the Professional presets, right?
After you click on "More Detailed Adjustment" in the Gamma menu, you should see an icon reading "Input Signal Level." The first one is "100IRE."
Beneath this is a "Gain" control. Press down once on the remote so that "Gain" is highlighted. Then press "OK." You should then be able to change the gain level.
It's a slightly cumbersome process, as you have to toggle back and forth between screens to access individual Input Signal Level controls, but it only takes a couple of mins overall.
If you're still struggling, stick with the default 2.2. Gamma setting, as differences between this and the advanced settings are subtle.
Just to check, you're changing settings in the Professional presets, right?
After you click on "More Detailed Adjustment" in the Gamma menu, you should see an icon reading "Input Signal Level." The first one is "100IRE."
Beneath this is a "Gain" control. Press down once on the remote so that "Gain" is highlighted. Then press "OK." You should then be able to change the gain level.
It's a slightly cumbersome process, as you have to toggle back and forth between screens to access individual Input Signal Level controls, but it only takes a couple of mins overall.
If you're still struggling, stick with the default 2.2. Gamma setting, as differences between this and the advanced settings are subtle.
strapped for cash - are you still using these settings for Professional 1 (on page one and further settings in the thread) I found this thread last night and decided to give them a try - they look good so far and is helping my DFC issue.
Nice one.
Nice one.
mattjax05 said:
That's good to hear!
I don't own a GT50 any more, though I'm glad the settings have helped.
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