dynaudio focus 110 vs DM 2/7

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i would know if someone had chance to listen and compare these 2 speakers...

does the price difference worth the additional cost of the focus 110 ?

i read the WhatHIFI review and listened the DM 2/7 model with my roksan kandy K2, but looks like no chance to hear the focus 110 anyway.

it seems they use the same drivers...who can tell me more about these 2 loudspeakers ?

 

[Frank Harvey]

The DM's won't be using the Focus drivers.

You should find the 110's a more natural sounding loudspeaker with a better overall balance - the DM's are Dynaudio's budget loudspeaker with an inferior cabinet, and no doubt inferior drivers too - a you would expect as they're half the price of the Focus 110's.

 

[Anonymous]

i read the sensitivity isn't pretty high, so both dynaudio's will need some bunch of watts to be well driven.

focus 110 also should have lower impedance... will my kandy K2 drive well these dyna models or it's not enough "rude" to make them sing ?

 

[jaxwired]

The focus 110s are dynamite, but I'm crazy about the Dynaudio Excite X12. Cheaper than the 110s, yet still have the real wood veneer and look quite smart in person. Sound as good as the 110s to me. In fact, just a touch livelier which I think is a plus.

 

[jaxwired]

blackfinder:

i read the sensitivity isn't pretty high, so both dynaudio's will need some bunch of watts to be well driven.

focus 110 also should have lower impedence... will my kandy K2 drive well these dyna models or it's not enough "rude" to make them sing ?

Please, the K2 can easily drive the 110s and the X12s would be cake.

 

[Anonymous]

after some listening tests i realized that my kandy K2 has a tight bass character and doesn't influence the bass frequency, instead i feel like it just let you ear what the woofer (or woofers) really can do without overcome the drivers.

dont know if it's just my impression but after listened a NAD 355 i immediately heard its bass seemed to me a bit overloaded and "fake" if considering it is driving some little woofer speakers.

said that i would know if anyone here had my feeling about the K2 bass sound, and if this character it's a lucky feature to well drive such dynaudio's models like 110...

i would choose a dyna pair cause i like a lot the natural & smooth sound of their tweeters, not a fun of aluminium, titanium or any mettalic based high frequency driver 🙂

last question: if i get a focus 110 pair i can put them at max 20cm from the real wall...would it be OK or i risk to make a bad purchase using them in that positioning place ?

thanx a lot for your replies, i need your help !

 

[plastic penguin]

blackfinder:

after some listening tests i realized that my kandy K2 has a tight bass character and doesn't influence the bass frequency, instead i feel like it just let you ear what the woofer (or woofers) really can do without overcome the drivers.

dont know if it's just my impression but after listened a NAD 355 i immediately heard its bass seemed to me a bit overloaded and "fake" if considering it is driving some little woofer speakers.

said that i would know if anyone here had my feeling about the K2 bass sound, and if this character it's a lucky feature to well drive such dynaudio's models like 110...

i would choose a dyna pair cause i like a lot the natural & smooth sound of their tweeters, not a fun of aluminium, titanium or any mettalic based high frequency driver 🙂

last question: if i get a focus 110 pair i can put them at max 20cm from the real wall...would it be OK or i risk to make a bad purchase using them in that positioning place ?

thanx a lot for your replies, i need your help !

Dynos require as much open space as possible. This is one reason I would buy them, even though I love their sonic character. Can you not have a home dem before parting with your money?

 

[Anonymous]

plastic penguin:

Dynos require as much open space as possible. This is one reason I would buy them, even though I love their sonic character. Can you not have a home dem before parting with your money?

penguin: "This is one reason I would buy them" ...OR This is one reason I would NOT buy them?

sorry, maybe your mind is not so clear to be

unfortunately will be not possible to take a pair of them for a home demo ...

20 cm from real wall and 130 cm one from each other it's my forced positioning place, damn !

any dynaudio experienced guy here ???

 

[plastic penguin]

blackfinder:plastic penguin:

Dynos require as much open space as possible. This is one reason I would buy them, even though I love their sonic character. Can you not have a home dem before parting with your money?

penguin: "This is one reason I would buy them" ...OR This is one reason I would NOT buy them?

sorry, maybe your mind is not so clear to be

unfortunately will be not possible to take a pair of them for a home demo

...

20 cm from real wall and 130 cm one from each other it's my forced positioning place, damn !

any dynaudio experienced guy here ???

It's been a long day; we are all entitled to make mistakes. "I would not buy them."

What's your room acoustics like? Are we talking hard flooring, or carpets, lavish furnishings or sparsely furnished, wallpaper? this will help in establishing whether the Dynos have a fair chance of sounding decent or not.

I've always built my systems around the room, rather than the other way round.

 

[Anonymous]

20 cm from real wall ? I suspect focus 110 will create booming bass with that distance to wall. Maybe try front ported speakers? Or demo a pair of AVI Neutron IV or V. IMO it has sweeter and fuller midrange sound than the dyns

 

[Anonymous]

plastic penguin:

It's been a long day; we are all entitled to make mistakes. "I would not buy them."

What's your room acoustics like? Are we talking hard flooring, or carpets, lavish furnishings or sparsely furnished, wallpaper? this will help in establishing whether the Dynos have a fair chance of sounding decent or not.

I've always built my systems around the room, rather than the other way round.

no problem man, and thanks for your help...

about the room: actually it is empy cause i finishing to paint walls !

it is large around 25 squared meters, 6,20 W x 4 D x 2,7 H, as i said i'm forced to place speakers on the shorter wall (4 mt), at around 1,3 meters and 20cm from the wall, side wall (those 6,20 mt long) will be 80cm far from every speaker.

the floor is made of granular stones tiles, i planning to put in a big cough as listening position (at 3 metres from speakers), medium tickness carpet of 2x2 meters, couples of awnings on the side windows, pair of framed posters, a pair of laminated wood libraries (not big ones).

i suppose the room won't have such as absorbent character... any suggestion welcomed !

sincerely thanks to all of you trying to help me with your replies

 

[Anonymous]

Hello! IMHO there's no point in spending that amount of money, if your are going to position speakers and listening position like this. Ideally the listening position should be a bit less than the distance between the speakers which in itself should be at least 2 meters , otherwise you will loose the stereo imaging, seperation, soundstage etc, even if you chose speakers that could work close to rear wall.

In my opinion you should try and workaround the positioning if you want to enjoy nice sound.

 

[Anonymous]

found a formula for speaker placement on another forum a while back .... works pretty good ...

so, assuming that you are placing the speakers on the 4m wide wall, you should place them as follows:

1100mm away from the side walls (1100 from the side wall to the centre of the cabinets)

1788mm away from the back wall (1788 away from the back wall to the front of the cabinets)

place speakers facing straight ahead, sit in your listening chair and get someone to slowly toe them in and out till you get the 'sweet spot'

worked for me and for many others

 

[Anonymous]

dim_span:
found a formula for speaker placement on another forum a while back .... works pretty good ...

so, assuming that you are placing the speakers on the 4m wide wall, you should place them as follows:

1100mm away from the side walls (1100 from the side wall to the centre of the cabinets)

1788mm away from the back wall (1788 away from the back wall to the front of the cabinets)

place speakers facing straight ahead, sit in your listening chair and get someone to slowly toe them in and out till you get the 'sweet spot'

worked for me and for many others


thanks for your suggestion, it would be nice i can place speakers 1788mm from back wall...but it's really impossible !

 

[Cypher]

I heard the Exite X12 speakers. Excellent speakers but the Dali Lektor 2 I have now are even better. More focused and with a more musical sound, they are a lot cheaper also.

 

[RCduck7]

Cypher:I heard the Exite X12 speakers. Excellent speakers but the Dali Lektor 2 I have now are even better. More focused and with a more musical sound, they are a lot cheaper also.

Funny, i didn't like the Dali's at all, to much emphasis on the highs. Still not as bad as the Rocksan speakers i heard.

But perhaps it just wasn't a good system match. I think Dali's might go well with a warmer, softer sounding amp.

I did like Dynaudio and Spendor though, they are not very different in their sound delivery, perhaps Spendor a little bit darker sounding. The Dynaudio did miracles with the midrange on my amp, very sweet. It was the X16 i heard and can recommend.

 

[Craig M.]

i used to have the focus 110 - there is no way they will be happy 20 cms from a wall, more like 50cm and even further from side walls. don't think about bunging them, robs the speaker of all "life". also, i don't think the k2 will get the best out of them, my old kandy L.lll didn't. try atc if you want soft dome tweeter and easy positioning, much tighter bass too.

 

[Anonymous]

hey guys... i found an used pair of DYNAUDIO CONTOUR 1.8MKII for 900?

http://www.dynaudio.com/eng/archive/lines/contour/contour18_mk2.php

what about this model ?

i trying to get some more infos but can't find any review around!

 

[Craig M.]

that will need even more space around it. probably be a tougher load on your amp as well.

 

[Cypher]

What about these ?
http://whathifi.com/Review/PMC-DB1i/

 

[Anonymous]

Craig M.:
that will need even more space around it. probably be a tougher load on your amp as well.

mmm..from the detailed specs the lower impedance stops at 3,8 ohm...i think that's a similar load you have using the focus 110.

and if my kandy k2 (rated 125/8ohm, 190/4ohm) can drive the focus 110 i suppose can do the same with contour 1.8 mkII.

the needed space around would be probably the real problem 🙁

about PMC i know them but in my area it's a bit hard to have chance to listen them...

 

[Craig M.]

maybe, not sure if the extra driver is going to put more load on the amp. have you demo'd the k2 and focus together? if you have and it works then fine, the focus110's do require a grippy amp though. the pmc's are very nice speakers, might be happier nearer a wall too.

 

[Anonymous]

thanks Craig, i had a listen of Dynaudio DM 2/7 with my kandy K2, unfortunately not with focus 110 too.. that just the point i written in the starting post of this thread 🙂

when i went in that shop i used to listen my kandy K2 with many speakers and the DM 2/7 played well, even better played the monitor audio RS8, but i thought that for that price i could get the focus 110 cause as i said i mostly prefer the dynaudio's tweeters instead metallic base ones.

also i have to say that the tweeter onto the RS8 sounded very nice, but it's a bit less smooth than the dynaudio one, and the 3 woofers of the MA probably won't like my room positioning !!

i trying to find any shop to hear PMC, but as i said can't find any dealer near to me

 

[Craig M.]

guess i missed that at the start of the thread

the tweeter and midrange on the 110 is very nice, but it does produce a huge amount of bass out of all proportion for such a small speaker. i had some with the roksan kandy L.lll amp and was quite happy with the sound, but when i heard them on a primare i30 with the current to control them, they sounded like a totally different speaker. it made me realise that the bass i was getting with the kandy driving them was soft and ill-defined. never heard the dm2/7 so the issues i had might not apply to them at all, also i've not heard the k2 kandy which apparently is better with difficult speakers then the old one. i guess what i'm saying is the sound might be very different to the dm2/7.

having said all that, i still think the 110's need at least 50 cm's behind them to keep the bass from dominating.

 

[Frank Harvey]

This issue will be with all Dynaudio loudspeakers . They're 4 ohms, so need more current than the average speaker, and as stated, produce so much bass for their cabinet sizes that they need better than the usual amplification to keep it in check (along with room placement). This is something I've tried to get across people with B&W loudspeakers too, as the same applies to the majority of their models. Mismatching speakers like these will end up with an underperforming speaker that lacks punch and precision.