Denon 3313 or Marantz 7007 blueray player

[Deleted member 2457]

I am getting tempted to buy another Blu-Ray player! Lol. No gel, no!

Crikey Gel, don't do it.

As I keep saying, replacing your BDP offers negligible improvement at best. That money can be far more effectively spent on calibration.

We're talking about the difference between scrutinising performance for differences that may not exist, and clearly identifiable improvements in every area of picture quality.

Gives Jules a call. He's close to you, cheaper than everyone else, extremely thorough, a nice bloke, and offers discounts to fellow Norwich fans. OK, I made that last bit up; but that shouldn't stand in your way of becoming the latest member of the calibration club.

As you know, I've had some issues with my TV, none of which have anything to do with calibration, and I still highly recommend getting it done. I know you like a bright picture, but a day mode calibration will coax more brightness from your TV than you're currently getting.

You've arguably got the best TV ever made, with the exception of prohibitively priced first generation large screen OLED models, and you're not seeing it at anything close to its best.

I am going to try and demo first or have the option of returning it. So only if there is a difference I will keep it. Yep, Jules is my first choice for calibration, just a bit weary still.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Do you really think gel is looking for an improvement in picture strapped? He loves gadgets, and that's the only reason. So far, he's had a Marantz UD7007, Oppo 103, Pioneer LX55 and even Cambridge Audio but returned or sold them all. The Denon shares its components with Marantz, so performance is going to be the same (don't want to get into argument about performance difference between blu ray players; you already know what my views are ).

People egging him to upgrade his player do not know his history. He's just lost £100-150 couple of months ago selling his nearly new Oppo because he wanted money to buy an iPad! Buying a new player now doesn't make sense to me at all. But that's his money, his choice.

Gel, if you decide to buy the player, please let me know when you're planning to sell it, as I will be upgrading my system in the coming months. You know how to contact me.

I had forgot it shares the same components as the Marantz! I will buy with the option to return.

Will do BB, you will be first choice if it comes to selling. I would have sold you the Oppo if I had known. David hasn't got back to me yet, it all depends on price and terms before I do something.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

I just bought a Wii U and returned it because I didn't like it!

 

[jase fox]

Crikey, don't do it ! Strapped say's....

Where talking testing / buying a bluray player here, not cut his wrists.

And I am aware of Gel's history I maynot always post on here but I do read the threads. Gel reminds me of how I used to be some years ago with DVD players, amps, speakers etc he shares the same passion I had, not afraid to take chances and most importantly to demo for himself and NOT go by opinions of others that can't see differences.

Only having a family to care for has stopped my drive (cash flow) I used to love buying, selling, exchanging etc it's my hobby, interest and love it.

With Gel going through so many high end machines he maynot see any differences in the Denon, but at least he's tried it, I would recommend though Gel that you either demo first or like you say do some kind of a buy back scheme.

And for the camp that will tell you 'ye but your going to waste your money' remember It's his money not yours.

And you wont get any arguement from me BB you either see differences or you don't, where just on different sides on that subject.

And like strapped has just said 'you'll be scrutinising for differences that maynot even be there' that's obviously his opinion it maynot be yours. I made a few mistakes of taking other peoples opinions as gospel.

Always try for yourself as you are your best judge ;-)

 

[Series1boy]

I've had my tv calibrated and it's officially noted in the tv section that I'm not impressed with the end result. I the same as Gel enjoy a brighter picture and when you compare on my tv the lx71 and 500 there is a big difference, the 71 wins hands down. So I believe in my opinion there is a difference between bluray players when using the processing.

When all processing is switched off and you are playing through a calibrated tv then there shouldn't be any difference between a £50 and a £1000 player. It is all down to personal choice and I don't like a calibrated picture, therefore an upgrade in a new player is the right choice for me.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

I've had my tv calibrated and it's officially noted in the tv section that I'm not impressed with the end result. I the same as Gel enjoy a brighter picture and when you compare on my tv the lx71 and 500 there is a big difference, the 71 wins hands down. So I believe in my opinion there is a difference between bluray players when using the processing.

When all processing is switched off and you are playing through a calibrated tv then there shouldn't be any difference between a £50 and a £1000 player. It is all down to personal choice and I don't like a calibrated picture, therefore an upgrade in a new player is the right choice for me.

Yep, that has been my opinion too. When I speak to David I will mention you too and see what sort of deal can be struck for both of us. Hopefully buying two will be a bonus all around. I am scared with calibration too because I don't know if my TV will last being Panasonic.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Superfi could potentially drop their price too:

http://www.superfi.co.uk/p-11099-denon-dbt3313-networked-blu-raydvd-player.aspx

It is a pity the code: GPLUS10 doesn't work for Denon products or else we could get 10 per cent off there.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Superfi could potentially drop their price too:

http://www.superfi.co.uk/p-11099-denon-dbt3313-networked-blu-raydvd-player.aspx

It is a pity the code: GPLUS10 doesn't work for Denon products or else we could get 10 per cent off there.

That price is £450 if you add it to basket not £495.

 

[Series1boy]

Yeah I tried that code yesterday and it didn't work...

 

[strapped for cash]

And like strapped has just said 'you'll be scrutinising for differences that maynot even be there' that's obviously his opinion it maynot be yours. I made a few mistakes of taking other peoples opinions as gospel.

Always try for yourself as you are your best judge ;-)

My point, Jase, is that if Gel is looking for an upgrade, £450 on a new BDP doesn't represent value for money. For less than half this investment, Gel can guarantee clear improvement by going the professional calibration route.

I agree that people should make their own decisions after researching potential upgrade paths, but Gel will never get a sense of calibration's value without giving it a try.

Series1boy wasn't happy with the results of professional calibration because he likes a brighter picture. I'm surprised he didn't end up with a day mode to accompany the darker night mode.

Accurate greyscale increases light output. So Gel would be getting a brighter picture post-calibration. I found Jules' initial day calibration too bright, so he dialled contrast back to a level I found more comfortable. In other words, if picture brightness is a concern or obstacle to calibration, it really shouldn't be; and I think Gel would be surprised by the results in this regard.

In any case, I wasn't being confrontational above and the first line of my post was very tongue-in-cheek, as I'm sure Gel appreciates.

 

[strapped for cash]

He loves gadgets

Calibration involves use of interesting gadgets!

don't want to get into argument about performance difference between blu ray players; you already know what my views are

I'm not looking to open that can of worms, either, though if we're scrutinising for differences and discussing a placebo effect it seems reasonable to conclude that differences in 1080p performance are at best marginal.

I'd be interested to hear why other members believe a new BDP represents a better investment than professional calibration. We might then look at how many advocating the former have had their televisions calibrated, or indeed seen a professionally calibrated TV in action.

 

[Series1boy]

I had both night and day ISF modes and wasn't impressed. Maybe it wasn't calibrated properly.... Any way, I'm going for the 3313 and I'll post any improvements I have or don't ...

 

[jase fox]

I had both night and day ISF modes and wasn't impressed. Maybe it wasn't calibrated properly.... Any way, I'm going for the 3313 and I'll post any improvements I have or don't ...

I'll look forward to your review Series1boy?

I'm not going to go into detail but I didn'tlike the results from my mates professionally calibrated tv, I like a picture to look how I think it should, afterall I'm the one watching it. I've got a cracking picture, I always find calibration makes the picture to dark, just didn't like the end results - at all!

My eyes did my calibration

 

[jase fox]

I had both night and day ISF modes and wasn't impressed. Maybe it wasn't calibrated properly.... Any way, I'm going for the 3313 and I'll post any improvements I have or don't ...

I'll look forward to your review Series1boy?

I'm not going to go into detail but I didn'tlike the results from my mates professionally calibrated tv, I like a picture to look how I think it should, afterall I'm the one watching it. I've got a cracking picture, I always find calibration makes the picture to dark, just didn't like the end results - at all!

My eyes did my calibration

 

[jase fox]

Apparently when the 3313 first came out it had a contrast issue, when folk had done tests on it they found the contrast was out which, made the picture not what it should be.

Although still a good picture it wasn't playing at it's best, but luckily Denon brought firmware out to correct it and for the people who could compare before & after, found the results worth while.

Now I can't comment on this as I got the player after the corrective firmware came out, you can see the firmware log on the denon site stating it. So for any of you trying out this player before the correction would have not seen it in it's true colours (no pun intended)

Just a thought....

 

[Series1boy]

This post says it all:

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/blu-ray-players/purist-transport-denon-dbt-3313ud-is-a-stunner

 

[strapped for cash]

I'm not going to go into detail but I didn'tlike the results from my mates professionally calibrated tv

Out of interest, what TV does your mate own?

I really don't get comments about a calibrated image not being bright enough. Calibration should always involve some negotiation with the client. If you like a bright image, explain this to the calibrator.* (My original day mode calibration was retina-searingly bright, though of course a day calibration should compensate for high levels of ambient light.)

* For the record, Series1boy, this isn't commentary on your situation.

 

[strapped for cash]

This post says it all:

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/blu-ray-players/purist-transport-denon-dbt-3313ud-is-a-stunner

Well, that post offers a subjective appraisal, and Ricky doesn't seem too certain of the "improvements" gained. As I say, swapping your BDP is at best tinkering around the edges when it comes to 1080p performance.

Calibration aside, there are countless better ways to spend £450 than replacing a mid-to-high-end BDP with another mid-to-high-end BDP.

People will nevertheless spend their money as they see fit; and of course have every right to do so.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

And like strapped has just said 'you'll be scrutinising for differences that maynot even be there' that's obviously his opinion it maynot be yours. I made a few mistakes of taking other peoples opinions as gospel.

Always try for yourself as you are your best judge ;-)

My point, Jase, is that if Gel is looking for an upgrade, £450 on a new BDP doesn't represent value for money. For less than half this investment, Gel can guarantee clear improvement by going the professional calibration route.

I agree that people should make their own decisions after researching potential upgrade paths, but Gel will never get a sense of calibration's value without giving it a try.

Series1boy wasn't happy with the results of professional calibration because he likes a brighter picture. I'm surprised he didn't end up with a day mode to accompany the darker night mode.

Accurate greyscale increases light output. So Gel would be getting a brighter picture post-calibration. I found Jules' initial day calibration too bright, so he dialled contrast back to a level I found more comfortable. In other words, if picture brightness is a concern or obstacle to calibration, it really shouldn't be; and I think Gel would be surprised by the results in this regard.

In any case, I wasn't being confrontational above and the first line of my post was very tongue-in-cheek, as I'm sure Gel appreciates.

Yep, for sure mate.

 

[jase fox]

This post says it all:

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/blu-ray-players/purist-transport-denon-dbt-3313ud-is-a-stunner

Was wandering if you'd seen that post series boy?

Pretty much how I see it too when you get it make sure it's up to date with it's firmware, before your judging ha

And his tv strapped is the same as Gel's & yourself, think you've got same havn't you?

 

[jase fox]

This post says it all:

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/blu-ray-players/purist-transport-denon-dbt-3313ud-is-a-stunner

Well, that post offers a subjective appraisal, and Ricky doesn't seem too certain of the "improvements" gained. As I say, swapping your BDP is at best tinkering around the edges when it comes to 1080p performance.

Calibration aside, there are countless better ways to spend £450 than replacing a mid-to-high-end BDP with another mid-to-high-end BDP.

People will nevertheless spend their money as they see fit; and of course have every right to do so.

Yep, they certainly do ! Sometimes other peoples opinions are tough pills to swallow especially if they go against your own :-( frustrating!

 

[strapped for cash]

Sometimes other peoples opinions are tough pills to swallow especially if they go against your own :-( frustrating!

It's not that tough. In fact it makes no difference to me whatsoever. I was simply offering my opinion. I wasn't being confrontational, though you seem determined to interpret my posts that way.

 

[jase fox]

Sometimes other peoples opinions are tough pills to swallow especially if they go against your own :-( frustrating!

It's not that tough. In fact it makes no difference to me whatsoever. I was simply offering my opinion. I wasn't being confrontational, though you seem determined to interpret my posts that way.

No, not really if I thought you where being confrontational I'd say so, you believe calibration is the way to go where as I believe in upgrading to a better player.

Hope no offence is taken

 

[Series1boy]

I've been watching this and seriously thinking about it - only 35 mins to go.....

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pioneer-BDP-LX91-Blu-ray-Player-/321328275819?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_Video_DVDPlayers_Recorders&hash=item4ad0a8616b

 

[strapped for cash]

Hope no offence is taken

No offence taken.

We'll simply agree to disagree on this one.