DCT Treatment of powerkords review, AlienRik, Idc etc

[Andrew Everard]

aliEnRIK:Im bored of these debates

Me too - and my sister-in-law is Torchy the Battery Boy, so should know what she's talking about, and she's also bored with them.

 

[Anonymous]

i hope the thread doesnt get locked , its been running a while now , doing nobody any harm , i do feel my question is very valid , why doesnt the likes of sony , panasonic ,etc provide better cables , if they do improve performance ???? any takers ???

 

[Anonymous]

Andrew Everard:
aliEnRIK:Im bored of these debates

Me too - and my sister-in-law is Torchy the Battery Boy, so should know what she's talking about, and she's also bored with them.

Valid point. *ahem*

Max yours is a valid point though - good question.

 

[aliEnRIK]

maxflinn:i hope the thread doesnt get locked , its been running a while now , doing nobody any harm , i do feel my question is very valid , why doesnt the likes of sony , panasonic ,etc provide better cables , if they do improve performance ???? any takers ???

If the mains supply is perfect and theres no EMI arround etc then the cable 'shouldnt' make any difference

'Fancy' mains cables do cost money to make, certainly more than the bog standard ones, making the products cost more.

They would expect that when their products are reviewed then the area will be free of EMI and RFI and so their product should shine. The flip side is it wont shine as bright in a terrible area with really bad EMI/RFI, but thats not their problem as the products already been sold

 

[Dave_]

maxflinn:why doesnt the likes of sony , panasonic ,etc provide better cables , if they do improve performance ???? any takers ???On the other hand, why do they use IEC sockets/plugs?

Why not just fit captive leads?

 

[Anonymous]

There's your answer Max!

 

[hammill]

daveh75:

maxflinn:why doesnt the likes of sony , panasonic ,etc provide better cables , if they do improve performance ???? any takers ???On the other hand, why do they use IEC sockets/plugs?

Why not just fit captive leads?

So they can sell the same product into multiple markets by just supplying a different cable?

 

[Anonymous]

Andrew Everard:

aliEnRIK:Im bored of these debates

Me too - and my sister-in-law is Torchy the Battery Boy, so should know what she's talking about, and she's also bored with them.

Giving away your age now Andrew , bet your Sister in Law is still using Ever (ard) Ready batteries when she should try Duracell I.m sure she'll see a vast improvement in performance.

Don't ask me how they work, or do that, they just do.

Regards

Andy

 

[Anonymous]

Maybe the unbelivers should start their own counter thread, and leave this one alone, unless the original poster wants to hear counter opinions. What Hifi has stated they are happy to have dissenting opinions expressed on their forum and what hifi review and rate powerkords so they believe they make a difference. So in answer to the question what websites have they been reading to believe this the answer would include this one.

 

[Anonymous]

aliEnRIK:

maxflinn:i hope the thread doesnt get locked , its been running a while now , doing nobody any harm , i do feel my question is very valid , why doesnt the likes of sony , panasonic ,etc provide better cables , if they do improve performance ???? any takers ???

If the mains supply is perfect and theres no EMI arround etc then the cable 'shouldnt' make any difference

'Fancy' mains cables do cost money to make, certainly more than the bog standard ones, making the products cost more.

They would expect that when their products are reviewed then the area will be free of EMI and RFI and so their product should shine. The flip side is it wont shine as bright in a terrible area with really bad EMI/RFI, but thats not their problem as the products already been sold
i couldnt see the cost of such cables being an issue , the main players would be using them in such numbers they would be very cheap , to either buy in or make themselves (id say they would no how ??)
as regards needing the flexibility to supply differing cables to different markets , they could powertreat them all?? and its as you were ...

anyway , maybe there is a benefit to people , if so good luck to yas , on this occassion ill use my own logic , so i wont be giving russ andrews a call ...

 

[Anonymous]

knightout:. So in answer to the question what websites have they been reading to believe this the answer would include this one.

My question was a rhetorical one knightout !

 

[True Blue]

THE_FORCE:
NayTyson:So the force, do you think there could be some brain trickery involved in the perceived improvements?

The brain is the key to the problem Nay. Or shall I say, one's imagination. Grey matter is a funny old thing, and sometimes you can convince yourself of something even though it may indeed be false.

I'm a realist, and there is no scientifically quantifiable proof to date that using these treated IEC cables offer any improvement over either pq or aq. As long as the source component is getting the correct amount of power needed, which is what the bundled IEC cables do, then it will be the source component that is the deciding factor in any improvements.

I'd rather spend the money on some CD's/BD's or a nice meal out !

EDIT: True Blue I apologise about the muppet thing. I've just been having a chat to my bro' in law about this very topic - he's a manager for EDF London & South East, and a qualified sparky of 50 years. He had a little giggle to himself when I showed him this thread, then he shook his head. He didn't need to say anything !

Firstly, again I ask that this thread is not locked out, by it turning into a slanging match about cables. It was set up by Jase to discuss with fellow users the merits of his new powerkords, and has been very informative and intersting so far.

Secondly I will say this one more time as apparently it was missed the first time round:-

No one is claiming that these leads give better results by the amount of power they give. They give added protection to interference being added to the system. Any wire is an aerial, so therefore to reduce the noise floor and background interference from various sources, all cables require a level of screening, to preserve the original recording. whether they are power, interconnects or speaker cable. simples.

The reason they are not bundled in with the equipment is for the following reason:-

Better screened cables cost more to make, both from a material and skill level point of view.

As you say a cheap cable (mass produced, no screening) supplies the correct amount of current to the source. When profits are everything why would they incorporate a cable / interconnect which costs more to make? - You wouldnt. It does not however mean that screened cables do not make a difference.

 

[Anonymous]

THE_FORCE:

knightout:. So in answer to the question what websites have they been reading to believe this the answer would include this one.

My question was a rhetorical one knightout !

The Force

Why do you use Chord Odyssey 4 & Black Rhodium cable when a Maplin cable does the same job?

 

[Anonymous]

True Blue, there is no reason for this thread to get locked out. As far as I'm aware it is a forum, for discussion...and we're discussing right ?!

As regards to your mentioning a second time around of apparent claims that the leads power capability has any effect on the improvements concerned, I never mentioned anything to the contrary did I ? I did however mention that as long as the source component is getting it's required power then that's just fine and dandy.

Do you get interference then with the supplied IEC cables that come with all your kit ? Maybe you should send them back ? I've yet to receive a supplied bog standard IEC that isn't shielded well enough to combat this !

@ Lesmor - the reason I use Chord Odyssey 4, Black Rhodium and QED is due to their build quality. I know they'll last me - especially compared to the naff speaker wire I used back in the day. But then you don't hear me going all 'Jilly Goolden' making claims that they do this and they do that to the audio/picture. That ain't my trip bud.

 

[Anonymous]

Have started a new thread "Esoteric powerKords will not improve your homecinema" maybe technical discussion over how they work or can not work could be shifted to that thread as I would be intrested in reading them, and this one left for people reviewing the DCT treatment of powerkords based on their personal all be it subjective opinion which appears to be what the OP is intrested in reading.

 

[Anonymous]

Good move Knightout - I'm outta here lol !

 

[aliEnRIK]

THE_FORCE:

True Blue, there is no reason for this thread to get locked out. As far as I'm aware it is a forum, for discussion...and we're discussing right ?!

THE_FORCE:

jase fox: Well the powerkord-8 im very pleased with, as its adding so much more depth to the picture, colours seem richer & more detail so overall impressed so far, i hope you get the same result mate?

OK let's back up a minute. I could be completely wrong here but are we talking about an IEC cable ? You're claiming all of the above, when all your cable is doing is just giving power to your source component which is doing all the work ?!!

You think that somehow the power lead is changing both your pq and aq in your source component ?! Wow mate - I've got a kettle that boils water more efficiently than any you can buy on the market. Are you interested ?

Please tell me this thread is a joke ??!!

I dont think discussions generally have one of the parties saying the discussion is a 'joke'

 

[True Blue]

Feel like I am wasting my breathe here, but here goes:-

My leads do not themselves cause interference, the power leads may slightly which is why they are kept away from signal leads (basic electrical theory -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday%27s_law_of_induction).

The screening / shielding is not and does not affect the amount of power / current that is available to the source if it is the same CSA wire -http://www.energy-solutions.co.uk/cable_conductor.html

However the shielding does protect the signal from being affected by any outside interference (EMI / RFI) -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_interference

Therefore with correctly shielded cables you "preserve" the actual recording, you dont add anything from anywhere.

 

[Anonymous]

THE_FORCE:

True Blue, there is no reason for this thread to get locked out. As far as I'm aware it is a forum, for discussion...and we're discussing right ?!

As regards to your mentioning a second time around of apparent claims that the leads power capability has any effect on the improvements concerned, I never mentioned anything to the contrary did I ? I did however mention that as long as the source component is getting it's required power then that's just fine and dandy.

Do you get interference then with the supplied IEC cables that come with all your kit ? Maybe you should send them back ? I've yet to receive a supplied bog standard IEC that isn't shielded well enough to combat this !

@ Lesmor - the reason I use Chord Odyssey 4, Black Rhodium and QED is due to their build quality. I know they'll last me - especially compared to the naff speaker wire I used back in the day. But then you don't hear me going all 'Jilly Goolden' making claims that they do this and they do that to the audio/picture. That ain't my trip bud.

But whats the difference between the Chord and so called Naff speaker cable othere than build quality , surley they are just transferring a signal.

Wheres the "scientific evidence " that you must have found that Chord is better surely, it was not vanity that they just "look better"

Do do not seem like a guy who would waste money

 

[Anonymous]

lesmor:THE_FORCE:

@ Lesmor - the reason I use Chord Odyssey 4, Black Rhodium and QED is due to their build quality. I know they'll last me - especially compared to the naff speaker wire I used back in the day. But then you don't hear me going all 'Jilly Goolden' making claims that they do this and they do that to the audio/picture. That ain't my trip bud.

But whats the difference between the Chord and so called Naff speaker cable othere than build quality , surley they are just transferring a signal.



Lesmor - have I stated anywhere that there is a difference between the cables other than the build quality ?! I said my reason for buying was down to this.

True Blue - you're not the only one who feels like they're wasting their breath. Yet again, I never said that IEC's cause interference. I stated that supplied IEC's that come with your kit have more than capable shielding.

If you can see and hear a difference by using these treated IEC's then fantastic for you lol ! But I'm also allowed my viewpoint on it - and that is..... I disagree.

And so....to the other thread.

 

[Anonymous]

THE_FORCE:lesmor:THE_FORCE:

@ Lesmor - the reason I use Chord Odyssey 4, Black Rhodium and QED is due to their build quality. I know they'll last me - especially compared to the naff speaker wire I used back in the day. But then you don't hear me going all 'Jilly Goolden' making claims that they do this and they do that to the audio/picture. That ain't my trip bud.

But whats the difference between the Chord and so called Naff speaker cable othere than build quality , surley they are just transferring a signal.



Lesmor - have I stated anywhere that there is a difference between the cables other than the build quality ?! I said my reason for buying was down to this.

True Blue - you're not the only one who feels like they're wasting their breath. Yet again, I never said that IEC's cause interference. I stated that supplied IEC's that come with your kit have more than capable shielding.

If you can see and hear a difference by using these treated IEC's then fantastic for you lol ! But I'm also allowed my viewpoint on it - and that is..... I disagree.

And so....to the other thread.

Your defeated , you have no argument

 

[Anonymous]

lesmor:

Your defeated , you have no argument

Lol WHAT ?!! I answered your question ! What else do you want to know ?!

 

[jc1972]

I have good ears, changed my power chords and mains block to russ andrews, noticed an improvement in sound, simple as that, i would bet anyone a 100 quid who wants to come round,i'll put all the old ones back in, and tell me there's no difference. you might not think it's an improvement but it's a different sound, Which i think is better. Also when i used to turn on my power amp, the lights would flicker for a millisecond, now they dont, when i would turn on side table lamps,the tv would flicker, and slight crackle from speakers if system was on, now it doesn't. SO THEY ARE DOING SOMETHING THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO.

 

[Andrew Everard]

lesmor:bet your Sister in Law is still using Ever (ard) Ready batteries when she should try Duracell

I see what you did there...

 

[idc]

Reasons why I think that there is a place for after market power cables.

Not all manufacturers produce the best of cables, but some put more effort in than others. My example here is my Arcam CDP which had a poorly fitting power cord which I changed for the cheapest RA one. It did make a difference. I also tried the cable with my Rega amp and it made no difference. But the Rega power cable was far more substantial with thicker sheathing, so better RFI rejection and the connecter fitted tightly.

Manufacturers know that there is an aftermarket scene and that some customers are going to change cables, but others find there is no difference. So the manufacturer may as well keep costs down and at least supply a decent cable.

I understand that many demand 'scientific evidence' for the alleged improvements of aftermarket power cables. But there is no agreed testing procedure between the scientists. In any case, how do you test sound quality?

I do accept posts where people say they have tried such products and they did not work for them. The reason why I have no problem with that is because, instead of 'scientific' evidence, I look to a more 'legal' definition of evidence. Since there are so many credible reports of power cables making a difference (including myself) that provides a lot of eyewitness evidence. Then there is expert evidence from professional reviewers from What Hifi and other magazines who also say they find a difference. To my mind, going on the civil balance of probability there is a very strong case that such cables do work. As for criminal, beyond reasonable doubt, I am not so sure. To do that we would need an agreed test by 'scientists' and I don't see that happening. So there is a market for aftermarket cables.

PS - I don't understand what those who have never tried an aftermarket cable have to contribute to such threads, where all they do is ridicule. THE FORCE, that is why you have received some negative reactions to your posts.