Hello - Earlier this year I started streaming Amazon HD through a Schiit Modi 3+ DAC to my home hi-fi system. I'm amazed at the soundstage and believe I got really lucky with the Modi 3+ which cost only $100. My question for those of you with multiple-DAC experience: do you believe there's a sub-$1000 (preferably closer to $500) DAC option where I might perceive a noticeable improvement over the Modi 3+? I understand this is subjective, and people here seem to think DAC's either make a big difference or little at all. I guess this question is for those who feel there's a noticeable difference as I just want to have realistic expectations. Thanks!
DAC upgrade from Schiit Modi 3+?
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Surly Sid
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This reviewer compares the Modi to more expensive DACs like the Topping offerings.
He basically says the Modi has less features but sounds as good. It is unlikely you will notice a big upgrade with a 500$ DAC. I think you have to stretch a little closer to 1000$.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_oeDy8xju8
He basically says the Modi has less features but sounds as good. It is unlikely you will notice a big upgrade with a 500$ DAC. I think you have to stretch a little closer to 1000$.
Thanks, Sid! Interesting video, confirms my suspicion that I probably won't perceive a significant difference until I spend over $1000 on a DAC which I don't think I can bring myself to do...
muljao
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There's many articles/reviews/ opinions etc that believe dacs sound different and that expensive ones may not sound better. Usually the better improvement in sound comes from amplifiers and speakers
Gray
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...I doubt you'd hear a significant difference even then.
(Though you'd have an incentive to perceive one
).
knaithrover
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An inexpensive option is the Chord Mojo which is quite cheap 2nd hand and has the basic sound of Chord's more expensive models.
TenTonTarantula
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Having also just purchased the SM3+ I have to say I'm also kind of amazed. Would love to audition some of Schiit's more expensive DACs to see if I can hear the difference...presumably must do otherwise why would they bother, but have to say they've really pulled of a bit of magic with the SM3+ at that price point. Might upgrade from my Chromecast Audio to a Bluesound Node at some point, will be interested to hear whether the SM3+ outperforms the internal DAC on the Bluesound.
Friesiansam
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Upgradeitis is the mother of skintness!
At 11:25 in the video Surly Sid posted above the reviewer compares the $100 Modi 3+ with the $700 Bifrost. He thinks the Bifrost sounds somewhat better.
Tinman1952
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So it should at seven times the price! 😁
Well, I already got back up on that financial ledge and jumped. Upgraded my Modi 3+ to a Bifrost 2 and I'm very happy I did as the difference is greater than expected. The Bifrost improves clarity, soundstage depth, width & height, bass is heftier & tighter, midrange is smoother, all creating what I feel is a bigger, warmer sound than the Modi 3+.
My conclusion is that a DAC upgrade can matter as much as a speaker upgrade and maybe even more than an amp upgrade. Seems each DAC has it's own character and the Bifrost 2 is perfect for rock & pop music which I listen to almost exclusively. This all matters to me as I'm an "active" listener, usually sitting between the speakers with my eyes closed imagining the soundstage. This may not matter quite so much to more passive listeners.
My conclusion is that a DAC upgrade can matter as much as a speaker upgrade and maybe even more than an amp upgrade. Seems each DAC has it's own character and the Bifrost 2 is perfect for rock & pop music which I listen to almost exclusively. This all matters to me as I'm an "active" listener, usually sitting between the speakers with my eyes closed imagining the soundstage. This may not matter quite so much to more passive listeners.
RoA
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Denafrips 'Ladder' DAC's are reported to have a fairly distinct sound, different to off the shelf chip DAC's using AKG and ESS. - Chord use their own FPGA's.
ThisIsJimmy
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The Modi3+ is a seriously good value DAC for the price, but because it's so cheap it does have it's weaknesses, and also lacks features
Schiit Modi 3+ Review (Stereo DAC)
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www.audiosciencereview.com
At $500 i'd be making a beeline straight for the Gustard X16 which is frankly an astonishing DAC for the money, gives you a whole plethora of input options, balanced and unbalanced outputs, MQA and DSD.
Gustard X16 Balanced MQA DAC Review
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In this day and age, their is no reason at all to be spending over $1000 on a DAC unless you have a very specific requirement.
EDIT: Sorry, i've just seen i'm a bit late to this.
Gray
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...a specific requirement to empty your wallet.
The forum needs a 'wall of truth' page, where statements such as the above can be hung.
Al ears
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You're a tad late, this thread is nearly three years old so the OP is probably sorted by now....
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Gray
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It really does.
But maybe someone can explain why somebody would sign up then use artificial intelligence to do what he's done.
Is it just that he wants to respond, but is lazy, or could there be some potential future financial benefit to him?
I can see how Bots could benefit from being elsewhere, but why here?
Gadusmorhua
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Yes, mine cost me a hundred quid and I use it as a desk top dac. Its soundstage is much better than the dacs in my Marantz 6000ose cdp, and Denon 600ne amp.
Dom
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I quite fancied the Chord Mojo. However I didn't need batteries and the lights are quite off putting.
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nopiano
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I often think the same with spam trying to sell something. It’s usually thousands of miles away from the majority of the readership and completely irrelevant to boot. Maybe the ‘creators’ just let these things loose and have no idea where they end up?
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adam37
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upgrading from the Schiit Modi 3+ DAC to models like the Schiit Bifrost or Gungnir for enhanced audio resolution and fidelity. These options offer advanced features and improvements in sound quality for discerning audiophiles.
Gray
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Sorry 'adam37' but you've failed the Turing test.
What is it with all these non-human posts?
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