Cartridge suggestion

[BenWatts]

Ho ok. You have to prove things.

 

[nopiano]

The styli WILL fit but the performance will not be the same Red and Blue styli are interchangeable in their respective bodies, the same applies to bronze and black bodies and styli (I have all four of them). If you think the red is an awful cartridge with a high frequency emphasis I am worried about either your ears, the rest of your system or your ability to set up a cartridge. If anything it is a little lacking in treble output, sweetness and detail but with a good low end dynamics and vocal range. The blue is sweeter in the treble but with a little less dynamic impact but a better stereo image.
Just goes to show that recommendations are very individual and you really need to audition for your self, as no one will hear what you do. One man’s meat as they say!

Yes, Ortofon always state that the Red model in each range is the mellowest sounding. I also remember the demos that Ortofon ran a few years ago where this was clearly evident. Ideal for a more budget system.

 

[Al ears]

Yes, Ortofon always state that the Red model in each range is the mellowest sounding. I also remember the demos that Ortofon ran a few years ago where this was clearly evident. Ideal for a more budget system.

Well there's mellow and there's revealing.
Take your pick.
The best Ortofons, to my ears , have always been the Bronze.

 

[Rui]

I have a 2MR Red on my P3, which replaced an Elys2. It was an improvement in sound, tracks very well with no IGD, and leaves me to get on with enjoying my LPs. I've owned all sorts over the years, including a Sumiko Evo III Blue Point Special on a Michell TecnoArm/TecnoDec, and while I won't pretend this sounds as good as that, it's no slouch for the money. I'd say the 2MR range is a good option for the P3.

I´m not critising but the P3 and 2m red are not close to what was cheap in the 90´s in terms of quality of reading the records grooves and the building quality,

just saying. As an example what in 96/97 used to cost what today is 150€ the full automatic technics turntable but saw also with belt drive turntables of the same design from technics also with estroboscope and manual settings for 120€ and today when tested the specifications are still like new.

While new ones around 1.000€ from Pro-ject, as i tested them, Rega i could hear them but not do test to it, only to say that even new the specifications refered when measured are under the ones refered,

and with a month of use not even closer quality and some parts start to weaken fastly as i´m still using 70´s turntables with a very high quality in sound, i guess the 70´s were the best for high quality components, in 1980 all came down to a level so low that one couldn´t believe at the time

 

[Rui]

Well there's mellow and there's revealing.
Take your pick.
The best Ortofons, to my ears , have always been the Bronze.

Starting in the cadenza series it seems the sound of old Ortofon in their cheap MM cartridges, i ended up buying the so many times refered as great , the 2M Black,

but was a bit of a let down , as it sounds good but not detailed as others more old , it as more high´s but that depth in sound it´s missing, or even what some call warm sound,

and i´m not comparing it with old and expensive cartridges but regular ones, MM type

 

[Rui]

Yes, Ortofon always state that the Red model in each range is the mellowest sounding. I also remember the demos that Ortofon ran a few years ago where this was clearly evident. Ideal for a more budget system.

don´t know why but i feel that it´s the reverse, but there´s a logic in your comment as the better sounding system one has, including the turntable ,

a simple but faithfull to the sound in the record, cartridge, will sound much better as the system itself provides a better sound, has already been well reproduced the cartridge and stylus,

i think it´s this, as it makes me remmenber the technics 205 X(built by Nagaoka, as all till early 80´s, after all were built by Audio-Technica) ,it´s lower in volume and sounds more or less like the 2m red