Intimate sounding is what I mean "emotion".QuestForThe13thNote said:If you are spending £5k plus you can get detail and everything besides pretty much. I don't know what you mean by emotion, but what's most important for me is detail so you can hear all the layers and the way the track is made up, then dynamics and ability to go on and off. Then speed. But Cyrus has lots of emotion in the music in the signature stuff. Your Tucana should do these well too, but I wouldn't expect almost all amplifiers at the level of the pulse to compete with amplifiers in the £8-£10k Range. Sorry not real world. You can't say that the Cambridge audio recommended would be as good as your amplifier. It just doesn't work I'm afraid.
Speaking for myself....if I don't like a brand, then that applies all the way up the range....but brands that I do like, I find get better and better as they go up the range.QuestForThe13thNote said:People often say they don't like a sound, until you go to the top of the range. So I wouldn't like naim stuff the same price as mine, but go and hear the really top notch naim stuff, it's a different league. It's the same with Cyrus, I'm sure it's more marked with less bass smoothness the cheaper you go. In fact it is. I had a 6dac like that, hence why people say they don't like Cyrus and I probably can't blame them, but with 200 and 300 watt mono power amps in the cyrus signature stuff it's not the same thing at all.
Absolutely. The toes tapping are as important as the ears ringing.plastic penguin said:Not everyone wants eye-watering detail retrieval. IMHO emotion is more important.
i found rotel totally different and not analytical and detailed at all with some tannoy dc6t Se speakers. I bought the cyrus 6dac about 5 years ago which I've long since sold, but I demoed a rotel intergrated amp with a dac around a grand, I think the ra12, and the 6dac was easily more detailed or analytical if we call it that. I agree it's all about the speakers. My spacious tannoys I had with big soundstage weren't hugely bass wacking but I got a very dispersive sound with the 6dac, and all in a good combo. The tannoys were quite warm too so that was already there, a bit like my pmc's are warm but in another level.plastic penguin said:I can only vouch based on my own experience, but Cyrus, as with Rotel amplification, and if poorly matched, can veer into an analytical presentation. That, IMHO, is down to an overly detailed sound that can make Cyrus sound thin and uninvolving (lack of emotion). However, with the right speakers that could be nulified. (This is based purely on integrated amps from Cyrus).
The Cyrus room in the basement in Bristol 2016 definitely had Spendor A6R's because I made a note of them and posted on this forum about the vinyl demo.QuestForThe13thNote said:They had a Cyrus one with some pmc 25-23s I think this year. Not sure about last. But when I went in their room downstairs they had their full signature system like mine, in a rack in the corner and not plumbed in to speakers. Just a display of the units. But this is quite a bit better than a Cyrus one obviously. I suspect they had the full sig system last year on demo.
I'd say it would work with rega (rs5 rega right?) as they might bring out more detail in those regas. I demoed the rs7s before I bought my pmc's but I think exposure amps have equally lots of detail, so if you are doing anything speakers is what I'd look at if I were you. Only my preference for a bit more detail, and dynamics and bass response. the rs7s were easily outclassed by pmc twenty 23s, but just my preference.
From memory the demo was all about the quality of vinyl - using an expensive Mitchell turntable to play a 'quality pressing' of a vinyl album from the Beatles - one that had been reproduced from the original tapes. They streamed first a digital version and then the vinyl version. Not sure what tricks they were playing (if any) but everyone in the room agreed that the vinyl version sounded the best.QuestForThe13thNote said:I don't know why Cyrus used the a6r with the signature stuff but maybe to bring out more detail and higher frequencies, and the older 20-23s were maybe a little bit too relaxed on detail,