Avoiding the Loudness War?

[loneranger]

You don't seem to understand that the listener can't undistort badly mastered recordings. There's nothing to adjust.

lyngdorf says their icc chip in the tdai 2170 does it.

 

[iMark]

You don't seem to understand that the listener can't undistort badly mastered recordings. There's nothing to adjust.

lyngdorf says their icc chip in the tdai 2170 does it.

Interesting. But I don't think even Lyngdorf will be able to correct badly clipped masters. I'd much rather have masters without clipping.

 

[Thompsonuxb]

More sabre rattling Major?

No. Just trying to point out why you're wrong. Normally it's absolutely ok to be wrong and people learn from it when the facts are explained to them, and you can almost hear the penny drop and the light-bulb switch on. Conversely, what happens with you is about six of us try to explain something, and in your mind it's it's always us who's wrong. In previous threads you've bemoaned the fact that people don't seem open to ideas and discoveries (think it was the ridiculous speaker-cable directionality thread), while at the same time you switch-off to any and all reasonable attempts to explain things to you that you have a fundamental misunderstanding of.

Other than that you're a good egg and there's lots of evidence on the forum showing where you've been first to jump in and give new members especially the benefit of your advice and experience. Wish we could somehow improve your weaknesses while maintaining your qualities.

Wrong?...weaknesses?

Naaah, your ever notice I never try to analyse anyone?

Llook let's not make it about me argue your case. Make your point so others will benefit from your knowledge and experience..... 🙂

 

[Thompsonuxb]

Pairing a quality amp and speakers with a budget source is a recipe for dissatisfaction.

You haven't got a clue.

Sonos Connect > DSPeaker Anti-Mode 2.0 Dual Core > Sanders Magtech > Martin Logan Montis

Absolutely wonderful.

Digital is digital. Get over it.

Another sound bite with no substance Matt49.

C'mon, explain why I have no clue Matt.....

The substance is in my post.

I use a budget digital source with expensive amplification and speakers, which you said was a recipe for dissatisfaction. But I'm satisfied. It sounds wonderful.?

You're trapped in an old-fashioned mindset that thinks a source has to be expensive, a throwback to the analog days when expensive engineering could make a real difference. Digital changed all that. All competently designed digital sources playing lossless files sound identical.

Matt49, I'm genuinely happy for you - but there are enough threads on the internet suggesting others have issues.

Oh wait 'Competently designed'.....a proviso?....prrrrft!

 

[Thompsonuxb]

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Wrong. The loudness war exist. In my genre, rock and metal, cd's sounded very bad. Lp better for your ears.

Ok loneranger, you got me because I have no metal in my collection.

Still surprised with a little adjustment you can't find a satisfactory solution to your issue.

Maybe for your music you need lower-fi.....

You don't seem to understand that the listener can't undistort badly mastered recordings. There's nothing to adjust.

iMark I'm not suggesting that - I acknowledge there are bad recordings across all formats.

I own some.....

Sometimes you have to take the rough with the smooth.

 

[BigH]

I have to confess I find this dynamic range/loudness war thing much a do about nothing.

Of the music listed I have a copy of Pharrel Williams Girl on CD.

It's not a bad sounding CD it's actually pretty good. To say it's dr is compromised is not true either - there is alot going on on most of the tracks so a VU metre does suggest it is.

But I have found alot of the listings on that site not really indicative of the sound quality of some of the music I own.

What is wrong with the volume knob on your amps anyway?

Why don't you turn down these loud albums.

I accept not all recordings are 'equal' but is this loudness debate a real one?

Oh dear!

 

[Thompsonuxb]

I have to confess I find this dynamic range/loudness war thing much a do about nothing.

Of the music listed I have a copy of Pharrel Williams Girl on CD.

It's not a bad sounding CD it's actually pretty good. To say it's dr is compromised is not true either - there is alot going on on most of the tracks so a VU metre does suggest it is.

But I have found alot of the listings on that site not really indicative of the sound quality of some of the music I own.

What is wrong with the volume knob on your amps anyway?

Why don't you turn down these loud albums.

I accept not all recordings are 'equal' but is this loudness debate a real one?

Oh dear!

I swear man...... *ROFL*

 

[matt49]

Matt49, I'm genuinely happy for you - but there are enough threads on the internet suggesting others have issues.

Yes, I'm perfectly aware there are misguided people out there on the internet: I'm wasting my time responding to a post from one of them at the moment.

 

[steve_1979]

 

[MajorFubar]

...ThompsonUXB is not a real person as such. Maybe he's a few people, like some of the mods or ex-mods, purposefully posting something ridiculous to generate forum traffic.

 

[Thompsonuxb]

Why are you making this about me?

 

[steve_1979]

Why are you making this about me?

You're really good at this. I was almost tempted to answer your question but I refuse to bite and get sucked in. 😉

 

[Thompsonuxb]

Why are you making this about me?

You're really good at this. I was almost tempted to answer your question but I refuse to bite and get sucked in. 😉

Wow.... Do I look like I'm winning or something?

Are you here to protect the not so bright who think they're intelligent -What are you on about?

Is what you are doing what trolling is?

Used to be pointless pictures .......

 

[steve_1979]

I've got to hand it to you Thompson, you take trolling to another level. Your skills in this field are exceptional to the point that you've turned it into true art form. You're the best that I've ever seen. Possibly the best that the internet has ever seen. Despite warnings earlier in this thread and previous threads you've still managed to get them to fall for it hook line and sinker. Again. I'm in awe of your trolling expertise. You reel us in with such subtlety and skill. I feel privileged to have witnessed such trolling genius first hand. You have a real talent. Thank you for the laughs you give me.

 

[steve_1979]

Wow.... Do I look like I'm winning or something?

Oh you're definitely winning. We fall for it every time.

I'd say the score is roughly Thompson = 50. WHF forum = 0.

 

[iMark]

iMark I'm not suggesting that - I acknowledge there are bad recordings across all formats.

I own some.....

Sometimes you have to take the rough with the smooth.

We're not talking here about bad recordings. In the loudness wars. We're talking about any recording (from bad to good) that has been butchered by atrocious mastering. That's why there are so many complaints about remastered CDs that sound worse than the original CDs in the 1980s and 1990s.

Mastering is completely seperate from the recording process.

I'm not willing to take the rough with the smooth if the original recording was perfectly smooth.

 

[Vladimir]

I think Thompson is a genuine person who threadcr*ps (different from trolling) when we get carried away complaining and soapboxing epiphanies. It can be about tone controls, amplifiers, loudness compressions, he will join the convo and ask a valid question "Why are you all bothered so much? What's the big deal? lol"

He often helps new members and most of his threads are about music/movie he liked and recommends.

So he doesn't have advanced 'audiophile knowledge'. What's the big deal? lol

 

[Electro]

I think Thompson is a genuine person who threadcr*ps (different from trolling) when we get carried away complaining and soapboxing epiphanies. It can be about tone controls, amplifiers, loudness compressions, he will join the convo and ask a valid question "Why are you all bothered so much? What's the big deal? lol"

He often helps new members and most of his threads are about music/movie he liked and recommends.

So he doesn't have advanced 'audiophile knowledge'. What's the big deal? lol

+1 *smile*

 

[Thompsonuxb]

I have to say I'm staggered and flattered at the same time.......really I am.

One question though Vlad what's advanced audiophile knowledge?

 

[Vladimir]

I have to say I'm staggered and flattered at the same time.......really I am.

One question though Vlad what's advanced audiophile knowledge?

Information relevant to audio and psychoacoustics that isn't readily available or easily accumulated. Things you learn going out of your way, investing time, energy and money. This could be either in the subjectivist or objectivist paradigm.

 

[loneranger]

Also CD is superior but the loudness war makes LP better sounding.

 

[CnoEvil]

Is this what it's like "Through the Looking Glass?"....Now, has anyone seen Alice!

 

[iceman16]

from DDC another food for thought..But I would stick with passive.

 

[davedotco]

from DDC another food for thought..But I would stick with passive.

What have I said now....*unknw*

 

[Vladimir]

from DDC another food for thought..But I would stick with passive.

What have I said now....*unknw*

Could it be that your 'hi-fi mode' vs 'music mode' talk and general recommendation of active systems is generating an audiophile identity crisis to this forum? *secret*