audio cable ...help

[Mrcrazer]

The sound quality will be exactly the same.

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How can you know it is exactly the same ? did you do some tests ? can you please share a bit ?

thanks,

 

[Al ears]

In all my years in with hifi and connections in particular I can only say.....

....... this is all going to end in tears or a locked thread. >)

 

[spiny norman]

How can you know it is exactly the same ? did you do some tests ? can you please share a bit ?

He just knows, alright? It's called objectionablist certainty, untainted by respectforanyoneelse'sopinion bias.

 

[hifikrazy]

 

[Covenanter]

This is completely nonsense it's like asking if the Roksan Kandy done any tests where it shows scientifically if its audibly better than the competition?

Actually I would like an ABX test done between the level matched Kandy K2 and the Caspian M2. The M2 has additional 3db gain in the preamp which gives it an edge in showroom comparisons. To our ears louder is better and amps that releive all their power early on the volume dial feel more masculine and powerfull. Comparing in controled enviroment might yield different results than showrooms.

If I produced my own brand of cables I would want to sell a product that has clear audible improvements over the competition verified in controled tests. I would promote my ABX results publicly to crush the skeptics spreading doubt about the benefit my product gives to the customer.

QED is such a great brand with EE designers, measuring equipment etc. Why wouldn't they do some tests to see what are the audible benefits of their product. Harman does it and it works great for their products and marketing. They even DBT speakers, would you believe it?

Great video, must watch! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56xPMqZmejU

An excellent video but I doubt the believers will look at it.

Chris

 

[chebby]

just good decent hi-fi cables

No such thing, it seems. Apparently wet string would do just as well.

No, just high purity (OFC), multi-strand copper of an appropriate gauge for the length used (1.5mm squared or 2.5mm squared cross-sectional conductor area in most cases). Low resistance, low capacitance and low inductance. It needn't cost much. I have looked at a few examples this morning costing between £2 and £4 per metre.

Costs £49 for 25metres from RS if you are doing an installation ...

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/multicore-speaker-cable/0460196/

 

[TrevC]

The sound quality will be exactly the same.

How can you know it is exactly the same ? did you do some tests ? can you please share a bit ?

thanks,

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Because of the nature of the signal, lowish impedance feeding into a highish impedance, fairly high voltage, it would take extremes of inductance, capacitance or resistance to have any effect on the sound at all. Nothing that is possible in any normal piece of screened wire.

 

[pauln]

just good decent hi-fi cables

Apparently wet string would do just as well.

Who said that?

 

[nopiano]

No, just high purity (OFC), multi-strand copper of an appropriate gauge for the length used (1.5mm squared or 2.5mm squared cross-sectional conductor area in most cases). Low resistance, low capacitance and low inductance. It needn't cost much. I have looked at a few examples this morning costing between £2 and £4 per metre.

Costs £49 for 25metres from RS if you are doing an installation ...

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/multicore-speaker-cable/0460196/

Hi Chebby. Isn't that a bit undermined by them offering a least four different sizes? I take your point that for a standard living room, the spec you quote should be fine. And for a cinema system you might use thinner, to fit around the room. But why 6mm, unless you are wiring a ship?!

 

[chebby]

No, just high purity (OFC), multi-strand copper of an appropriate gauge for the length used (1.5mm squared or 2.5mm squared cross-sectional conductor area in most cases). Low resistance, low capacitance and low inductance. It needn't cost much. I have looked at a few examples this morning costing between £2 and £4 per metre.

Costs £49 for 25metres from RS if you are doing an installation ...

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/multicore-speaker-cable/0460196/

Hi Chebby. Isn't that a bit undermined by them offering a least four different sizes? I take your point that for a standard living room, the spec you quote should be fine. And for a cinema system you might use thinner, to fit around the room. But why 6mm, unless you are wiring a ship?!

I believe my link is for the 2.5mm version.

 

[davidpr]

Bring the manufacturing home. Cornwall will welcome you with open arms.

David.

Hello Mrcrazer

Thanks for expressing an interest in QED cables.

All QED's research and development takes place in the UK. Every cable is completely designed by QED and nothing is 'off the shelf'.

All the cables are then manufactured for us in China. They are made to the highest possible standards and we have complete confidence in them - which is why every cable comes with a Lifetime Guarantee.

The new Reference Audio 40 inteconnect is a perfect match for Arcam CD players. (Arcam kindly lent us some CD players, amps and DACs for our dem room and we use them to demonstrate both QED cables and Q Acoustics loudspeakers)

I expect you've seen the recent WHF Five Star review of this cable: http://www.whathifi.com/review/reference-audio-40

Best regards

Steve Reichert - PR Manager, Armour Home (QED)

 

[nopiano]

No, just high purity (OFC), multi-strand copper of an appropriate gauge for the length used (1.5mm squared or 2.5mm squared cross-sectional conductor area in most cases). Low resistance, low capacitance and low inductance. It needn't cost much. I have looked at a few examples this morning costing between £2 and £4 per metre.

Costs £49 for 25metres from RS if you are doing an installation ...

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/multicore-speaker-cable/0460196/

Hi Chebby. Isn't that a bit undermined by them offering a least four different sizes? I take your point that for a standard living room, the spec you quote should be fine. And for a cinema system you might use thinner, to fit around the room. But why 6mm, unless you are wiring a ship?!

I believe my link is for the 2.5mm version.

Indeed, and I was simply trying to highlight that if that were all that was needed then a variety of sizes would be unnecessary. As that seems to be the position of those who dispute that cables makes any worthwhile difference!

 

[chebby]

No, just high purity (OFC), multi-strand copper of an appropriate gauge for the length used (1.5mm squared or 2.5mm squared cross-sectional conductor area in most cases). Low resistance, low capacitance and low inductance. It needn't cost much. I have looked at a few examples this morning costing between £2 and £4 per metre.

Costs £49 for 25metres from RS if you are doing an installation ...

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/multicore-speaker-cable/0460196/

Hi Chebby. Isn't that a bit undermined by them offering a least four different sizes? I take your point that for a standard living room, the spec you quote should be fine. And for a cinema system you might use thinner, to fit around the room. But why 6mm, unless you are wiring a ship?!

I believe my link is for the 2.5mm version.

Indeed, and I was simply trying to highlight that if that were all that was needed then a variety of sizes would be unnecessary. As that seems to be the position of those who dispute that cables makes any worthwhile difference!

RS are an electrical supplier and do not specialise in domestic hifi accessories.

Who knows? Maybe some of their customers do need to wire up a nightclub or PA system. You could find thousands of products on their site that are not relevant to a discussion about typical domestic hi-fi. I was just linking to one that is.

 

[abacus]

No, just high purity (OFC), multi-strand copper of an appropriate gauge for the length used (1.5mm squared or 2.5mm squared cross-sectional conductor area in most cases). Low resistance, low capacitance and low inductance. It needn't cost much. I have looked at a few examples this morning costing between £2 and £4 per metre.

Costs £49 for 25metres from RS if you are doing an installation ...

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/multicore-speaker-cable/0460196/

Hi Chebby. Isn't that a bit undermined by them offering a least four different sizes? I take your point that for a standard living room, the spec you quote should be fine. And for a cinema system you might use thinner, to fit around the room. But why 6mm, unless you are wiring a ship?!

I believe my link is for the 2.5mm version.

Indeed, and I was simply trying to highlight that if that were all that was needed then a variety of sizes would be unnecessary. As that seems to be the position of those who dispute that cables makes any worthwhile difference!

No, that has never been said those that deal in facts.

Longer runs mean greater resistance; hence you use a larger CSA cable to compensate.

The more power you put through a cable the more heat that is produced, which can be mitigated by going to a larger cable with a lower resistance. (Why do you think your house wiring comes in different sizes for different jobs?)

Hope this clears up the confusion

Bill

 

[TrevC]

"All the cables are then manufactured for us in China".

Cheap cheap

"They are made to the highest possible standards and we have complete confidence in them - which is why every cable comes with a Lifetime Guarantee".

Anyone had an interconnect fail? Me neither.

"The new Reference Audio 40 inteconnect is a perfect match for Arcam CD players".

As is every other interconnect on the market.

 

[sublime]

As a part of a small business deal I have some expensive RCA, mains and speaker cables on the way. These odd items are a small part of the business deal so I'm not fussed if they improve or change SQ - the main thing at the moment is they'll look nice to whoever should peak behind the hifi (yea, right!). So...I get to test them against cheapy cheap ones. Expectation bias won't really come into things as I have no expectations. As far as I can tell from what I'v read - all cables sound the same right?

The RCA is worth £250, Mains cables £90, Speaker cable - £250. Will post my findings very soon and try to ABX.

The only way to tell is to listen without any expectation. I don't except that you can't trust your own ears - that's b.s

 

[cabman]

Why Cornwall in particular?

 

[cabman]

Bring the manufacturing home. Cornwall will welcome you with open arms.

David.

Hello Mrcrazer

Thanks for expressing an interest in QED cables.

All QED's research and development takes place in the UK. Every cable is completely designed by QED and nothing is 'off the shelf'.

All the cables are then manufactured for us in China. They are made to the highest possible standards and we have complete confidence in them - which is why every cable comes with a Lifetime Guarantee.

The new Reference Audio 40 inteconnect is a perfect match for Arcam CD players. (Arcam kindly lent us some CD players, amps and DACs for our dem room and we use them to demonstrate both QED cables and Q Acoustics loudspeakers)

I expect you've seen the recent WHF Five Star review of this cable: http://www.whathifi.com/review/reference-audio-40

Best regards

Steve Reichert - PR Manager, Armour Home (QED)

Why Cornwall in particular?

 

[pauln]

As a part of a small business deal I have some expensive RCA, mains and speaker cables on the way. These odd items are a small part of the business deal so I'm not fussed if they improve or change SQ - the main thing at the moment is they'll look nice to whoever should peak behind the hifi (yea, right!). So...I get to test them against cheapy cheap ones. Expectation bias won't really come into things as I have no expectations. As far as I can tell from what I'v read - all cables sound the same right?

The RCA is worth £250, Mains cables £90, Speaker cable - £250. Will post my findings very soon and try to ABX.

The only way to tell is to listen without any expectation. I don't except that you can't trust your own ears - that's b.s

You can't conciously remove expectation bias.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/486598/testing-audiophile-claims-and-myths

 

[sublime]

ABX testing will do the trick - after reading many comments on the forums I simply want to know whether cables sound different or not. I couldn't care less really, I can barely afford the cost of living let alone buying fancy cables. The fact that I now own some makes no difference....or will it?

 

[cheeseboy]

I simply want to know whether cables sound different or not.

you could set up a basic test using the free audiodiffmaker software which would give you a rough to good idea, depending on how you set it up, as to if there were any real world differences. Just depends if you can be faffed or not 🙂

http://www.libinst.com/Audio%20DiffMaker.htm

 

[sublime]

I simply want to know whether cables sound different or not.

you could set up a basic test using the free audiodiffmaker software which would give you a rough to good idea, depending on how you set it up, as to if there were any real world differences. Just depends if you can be faffed or not 🙂

http://www.libinst.com/Audio%20DiffMaker.htm

Cheers cheeseboy - I'll have a look at this and see if I can get my tiny brain around it 🙂

 

[richardw42]

There are no stupid questions.

Just stupid people.

 

[Vladimir]

In these official ABX tests you will notice all those inteconnects sounded the same. http://home.provide.net/~djcarlst/abx_wire.htm

If you think everything sounds the same in ABX tests, checkout the SS vs tube amp tests. http://home.provide.net/~djcarlst/abx_pwr.htm People could distinct tube vs SS but not SS vs SS.

Yes, it's simple as that.

 

[matt49]

You can't conciously remove expectation bias.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/486598/testing-audiophile-claims-and-myths

I don't think that generalization is true. Some people can, in some circumstances. It very much depends on the circumstances and on the attitudes and expertise of the person.

Matt