Amplifiers - PRaT

[MUSICRAFT]

Would love a rich timbre of class A but don't want to sacrifice PRaT.

Typical have a cake and eat it attitude

Hi insider9

I feel ATC’s discontinued SIA2-150 MK1 offers this *smile*

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

 

[MUSICRAFT]

Going back to Musicrafts list note that Auralic do not do an integrated amp.

Hi Al ears

Auralic’s relatively new Polaris *smile*

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

Thanks again Rick. Looks amazing but not for me. Probably should've mentioned not really interested in class D.

Hi insider9

Our posts crossed. Please look at my previous post regarding the ATC amp.

Anyway, no worries *smile*

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

 

[Al ears]

Going back to Musicrafts list note that Auralic do not do an integrated amp.

Hi Al ears

Auralic’s relatively new Polaris *smile*

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

I wasn't aware of that one... I stand corrected. Looks interesting. All I could remember seeing was Merak power amps.... doh!

 

[Rethep]

Maybe 2nd-hand Creek (Destiny) ?

 

[Andrewjvt]

If pp wants to sell you his Leena pulse.

Although for true massive amp with no compromise I'd look at electro or big Hegel

Expensive but I've seen some bargains in ebay

 

[insider9]

Maybe 2nd-hand Creek (Destiny) ?

Not a bad shout. Having skimmed the review it looks like it may be quite neutral sounding and I'm not sure how my speakers would respond to that. Thanks though

 

[insider9]

If pp wants to sell you his Leena pulse.

Although for true massive amp with no compromise I'd look at electro or big Hegel

Expensive but I've seen some bargains in ebay

Hegel will be over budget. And I'm sure PP wants to sell the Leema.

I've had a nice evening listening to Roksan and must say having compared what I get via speakers and my AKG K712 headphones is not much different. The artifacts around vocals on some tracks also appear via headphones so it must be source material not the amp. It's easy to notice imperfections but if source material is like that what else can you do.

I know I can do better but it's not as pressing having listened for a few hours with majority sounding very good.

 

[grimharry]

Maybe 2nd-hand Creek (Destiny) ?

+1 *good*

 

[Al ears]

If pp wants to sell you his Leena pulse.

Although for true massive amp with no compromise I'd look at electro or big Hegel

Expensive but I've seen some bargains in ebay

Hegel will be over budget. And I'm sure PP wants to sell the Leema.

I've had a nice evening listening to Roksan and must say having compared what I get via speakers and my AKG K712 headphones is not much different. The artifacts around vocals on some tracks also appear via headphones so it must be source material not the amp. It's easy to notice imperfections but if source material is like that what else can you do.

I know I can do better but it's not as pressing having listened for a few hours with majority sounding very good.

I'm afraid that's one of the signs of a good amp.... it will make poor recordings sound bad, this is not a failure of the amp but it will make you more selective of what you actually play through it. ;-)

 

[CnoEvil]

I'm afraid that's one of the signs of a good amp.... it will make poor recordings sound bad, this is not a failure of the amp but it will make you more selective of what you actually play through it. ;-)

The difficulty is knowing whether the amp is actually making bad recordings sound even worse than they are. *scratch_one-s_head*

 

[Al ears]

I'm afraid that's one of the signs of a good amp.... it will make poor recordings sound bad, this is not a failure of the amp but it will make you more selective of what you actually play through it. ;-)

The difficulty is knowing whether the amp is actually making bad recordings sound even worse than they are. *scratch_one-s_head*

I don't think it would be making them worse (is that possible?) it is simply revealing how bad they actually are...

 

[insider9]

It's so easy to expect clarity when there isn't one. Wide soundstage when one doesn't exist etc.

Can a good amp make poor recordings poorer? Probably not. I guess that's a a speaker prerogative

 

[CnoEvil]

I don't think it would be making them worse (is that possible?) it is simply revealing how bad they actually are...

It's a moot point, given nobody ,except the person who mastered it, knows how bad it should sound. IMO. My amp shows up bad recordings without exaggerating them, whereas Chord amps make good recordings less enjoyable and bad recordings unlistenable.

 

[insider9]

I don't think it would be making them worse (is that possible?) it is simply revealing how bad they actually are...

It's a moot point, given nobody ,except the person who mastered it, knows how bad it should sound. IMO. My amp shows up bad recordings without exaggerating them, whereas Chord amps make good recordings less enjoyable and bad recordings unlistenable.

I guess it is possible though no experience with amps of this level.

I prefer musicality to detail so generally speaker any amplification shouldn't be too bad. It's likely that when an amp is tuned to retrieve the smallest detail it may just dig up what engineers were trying to hide in the first place.

 

[CnoEvil]

I prefer musicality to detail so generally speaker any amplification shouldn't be too bad. It's likely that when an amp is tuned to retrieve the smallest detail it may just dig up what engineers were trying to hide in the first place.

I have discovered that musicality and detail need not be mutually exclusive...but it often comes at a cost. I am staggered at the detail that my amp digs up, which I put down to its full Class A topology, with its removal of Crossover distortion. This review nicely explains it: http://i.nextmedia.com.au/avhub/australian-hifi_reviews_2011-03_Musical_Fidelity_AMS_35i_Amplifier_Review_musical_fidelity_ams35i_amplifier_review_lores.pdf

 

[insider9]

I prefer musicality to detail so generally speaker any amplification shouldn't be too bad. It's likely that when an amp is tuned to retrieve the smallest detail it may just dig up what engineers were trying to hide in the first place.

I have discovered that musicality and detail need not be mutually exclusive...but it often comes at a cost. I am staggered at the detail that my amp digs up, which I put down to its full Class A topology, with its removal of Crossover distortion. This review nicely explains it: http://i.nextmedia.com.au/avhub/australian-hifi_reviews_2011-03_Musical_Fidelity_AMS_35i_Amplifier_Review_musical_fidelity_ams35i_amplifier_review_lores.pdf

 

Like I said I'm not used to this level of performance. But I'm sure I'd get used to it quite quickly

 

[insider9]

It's not just a glorious amp you have there but what a review! Real pleasure to have read it.

 

[ellisdj]

If balance of kit truely exists as a thing then surely you want a detailed dac with high resolution and a smooth amp as a detailed amp cant make up for the dac. Just a thought

 

[insider9]

Very true! However having compared the DACs under level matched conditions the differences are not as big as I expected.

 

[ellisdj]

thats not been my experience so far - I havent tried the mojo though.

 

[insider9]

You have a luxury of testing equipment of a much higher level

I don't mean this as an overall comment but from the ones I've tried differences weren't as big as one would think. Ultimately there have been as otherwise I would get the Mojo but like I said previously not huge.

I did also think about either Hugo or 2Qute second hand. It wouldn't rule out an amp change. Nintronics has Hugo at £750 that sounds like a bargain to me. But 2Qute feels a wiser choice for a stationary system.

Have you heard both?

 

[ellisdj]

I havent heard the original hugo. We did speak about me doing a Hugo vs Hugo 2 video but amidst everything else it hasnt happened.

People must have written about the difference between hugo and 2qute somewhere.

Must be a few good deals around for a 2qute as well. I would like to try the Schiit Dacs after the thread that was on here

 

[insider9]

I've seen both videos but wasn't sure whether you've had experience with original Hugo since. Hugo 2 would be great but not willing to spend that much. I've heard it's a step up for it's predecessor.

I'd also fancy some Schiit as well as Mytek Brooklyn.

 

[Andrewjvt]

I prefer musicality to detail so generally speaker any amplification shouldn't be too bad. It's likely that when an amp is tuned to retrieve the smallest detail it may just dig up what engineers were trying to hide in the first place.

I have discovered that musicality and detail need not be mutually exclusive...but it often comes at a cost. I am staggered at the detail that my amp digs up, which I put down to its full Class A topology, with its removal of Crossover distortion. This review nicely explains it: http://i.nextmedia.com.au/avhub/australian-hifi_reviews_2011-03_Musical_Fidelity_AMS_35i_Amplifier_Review_musical_fidelity_ams35i_amplifier_review_lores.pdf

ive not read that but what you describe about class a without the crossover distortion is taken to the max with ATC actives as the active crossover totally eliminates the crossover distortion and the first 50w is class A

win win

 

[ellisdj]

You can get the Gungir with some of the Yggdrasil tech for about $1249 dollars and $150 dollars shipping + Tax

http://www.schiit.com/products/gungnir