Amateur - Need help learning about/looking for cheap amps ~ £150

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I now have my speakers, I'm just looking for a good amp for under £200 amp for personal use and the odd party. Any recommendations, new or pre-owned, welcome.

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Hello all.

I made a post before about looking for some speakers and I'm fairly keen on the Xarus-5000s which I'll get when the damned things eventually come in stock (still open to other suggestions). Now I just need an amp, and it's only just dawned on me what a daunting task this is. I had some vague recommendations in my previous thread and I'd like some more specific help. Here are the speaker specifications:

Colour

Black

Dimensions

1080mm x 250mm x 290mm

Watts

25 - 250 W Power Output

Wall Mountable

No

Max Amp Power

250W Max Output

Connectivity

Bi-wire

Frequency Range

30Hz - 24kHz

Surround Sound

Not Provided

Amplification

25W-250W
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and I've got some vinyl DJ decks & a mixer in the post so I'll need an amp that I can plug those in to.

But anyway, amp questions:
- What sort of wattage amp should I be looking for? Does it need to be the full 250W? Could I damage the speakers by using too low a wattage?
- Do I need to take into account 'frequency range' or that the speakers are 'bi-wired' or any other factors when buying an amp?
- Are there any good brands I should go for in particular?
- Will I need to buy cables separately?
- Is there anything else I need to know? I know literally nothing about amps.

Thanks for any help in advance,
Tom

 

[Big Chris]

You don't need to buy an amp with 250w output. In fact, unless your spending thousands, you'll probably struggle to even find an amp that outputs 250w.

You will need to buy cables seperately. Pretty much the only cable the amp will come with is the power cable. So budget for interconnects (if you don't already have any), and speaker cable (likewise).

With regards brands, take a look at all the reviews on the site. You can filter by brand or budget or star rating. When you have a short list drawn up, you should get down to your local dealer for a demo.

The only things you have to make sure of with an amp is that it will do what you want it to. Make sure it has enough inputs to cope with all your equipment. I don't know if mixing desks require an amp with a phono stage as regular turntables do, so this will need further investigation. Most amps have remote controls, but some don't, so be aware when you're out looking. Also, if you need a headphone socket for your amp, be aware not all amps have them.

EDIT: Forgot to say, you can, and most likely will, damage your speakers if you use them with an weedy amp and you're a volume fiend.

If you tell us how much you're looking to spend, we may be able to chip in with some recommendations.

 

[Anonymous]

Big Chris:
You don't need to buy an amp with 250w output. In fact, unless your spending thousands, you'll probably struggle to even find an amp that outputs 250w.

You will need to buy cables seperately. Pretty much the only cable the amp will come with is the power cable. So budget for interconnects (if you don't already have any), and speaker cable (likewise).

With regards brands, take a look at all the reviews on the site. You can filter by brand or budget or star rating. When you have a short list drawn up, you should get down to your local dealer for a demo.

The only things you have to make sure of with an amp is that it will do what you want it to. Make sure it has enough inputs to cope with all your equipment. I don't know if mixing desks require an amp with a phono stage as regular turntables do, so this will need further investigation. Most amps have remote controls, but some don't, so be aware when you're out looking. Also, if you need a headphone socket for your amp, be aware not all amps have them.

EDIT: Forgot to say, you can, and most likely will, damage your speakers if you use them with an weedy amp and you're a volume fiend.

If you tell us how much you're looking to spend, we may be able to chip in with some recommendations.

I was hoping I could find a decent amp for around £150, could be pushed up to £200 if needed, at that sort of price I'm expecting it to be second hand.

I didn't know about the damage with a low wattage. So, these speakers say '250W' (I presume that's 125w per speaker...?) If I was using an amp that was 50w per speaker, would it not damage them if I didn't go over, say, half volume on the amp?

Thank you for the help.

 

[Anonymous]

This might be against the rules, if it is mods feel free to delete it as required.

I'm selling a mint Marantz PM6003 for £200. Let me know if you're interested.

All the best.

 

[Anonymous]

bobinho:
This might be against the rules, if it is mods feel free to delete it as required.

I'm selling a mint Marantz PM6003 for £200. Let me know if you're interested.

All the best.

Hi bobinho,

Used, I guess..? Could you tell me what wattage it is?

Also please could anyone answer my question - if I play the speakers through a lower wattage amp than the speakers, will I not damage them as long as I don't push their volume too hard? As the wharfedales are 250W this would make getting an amp that matches that wattage impossible for me, so should I buy speakers with a lower wattage, or will those be fine? A lot of people on the Amazon reviews are using Cambridge Audio AV receivers (I presume that's like an amp) like the Cambridge Audio 740A, Cambridge Audio 540R and Cambridge Audio 640A. They seem to be about 80 - 90 watt.

 

[BillDay66]

Tom,

Most amplifiers with a rating of above 50 -60 watts will work 'ok' with the speakers. It really depends on what specs you want as mentioned previously, phono stage - headphone socket etc. You ideally need two sets of speaker outputs to take advantage of the speakers being bi wirable but thats not that important really.

Im in the same position as you in that Im in the process of buying new kit and have asked loads of questions on here about it, but the over riding and totally correct advice is that you need to go and listen to the kit before you buy it. Ive heard a few 5 star review products which I wouldnt rate at all and am nearly decided on a quite poorly rated system which I thought was great!

At your budget I would be inclined to find your nearest Richer Sounds and demo some Cambridge Audio Amps along with whatever speakers they have. If you find a pairing you like and have the spec you need, then youre done.

 

[Anonymous]

BillDay66:
Tom,

Most amplifiers with a rating of above 50 -60 watts will work 'ok' with the speakers. It really depends on what specs you want as mentioned previously, phono stage - headphone socket etc. You ideally need two sets of speaker outputs to take advantage of the speakers being bi wirable but thats not that important really.

Im in the same position as you in that Im in the process of buying new kit and have asked loads of questions on here about it, but the over riding and totally correct advice is that you need to go and listen to the kit before you buy it. Ive heard a few 5 star review products which I wouldnt rate at all and am nearly decided on a quite poorly rated system which I thought was great!

At your budget I would be inclined to find your nearest Richer Sounds and demo some Cambridge Audio Amps along with whatever speakers they have. If you find a pairing you like and have the spec you need, then youre done.

Thanks very much. There is a Richer Sounds in Manchester city centre so I'll give that a try! I doubt they'll have the speakers / amps that i'll know anything about though, hmmm...

 

[Anonymous]

Hi hexagonlbolts,

The amplifier has been used but is still in mint condition, with the packaging etc.

It's rated at 45W per channel but is a conservative estimate I believe.

If you're interested let me know and we can go from there.

No worries if you're not. Good luck!

 

[Big Chris]

I don't know where you live Mr Bolts, but if Winchester is do-able, you might want to check this out.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Marantz-PM7200-Amplifier-silver-finish-/260716460342?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiFi_Amplifiers&hash=item3cb3e97936

 

[Anonymous]

Big Chris:
I don't know where you live Mr Bolts, but if Winchester is do-able, you might want to check this out.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Marantz-PM7200-Amplifier-silver-finish-/260716460342?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiFi_Amplifiers&hash=item3cb3e97936

Manchester for university (reading when with the 'rents) unfortunately! I hate when people refuse to do postage on ebay, I mean, it's less than a tenner with a courier.

*edit* also, what is the difference, if any, between a normal amplifier, 'integrated amplifier', and an 'AV receiver?

 

[Anonymous]

I have a Marantz PM66 se Ki-sig (have a look on google for details) This cost £500 when new in the mid nineties, the equivelant today would be around £1000. The Ki-sig means it was tweaked by Marantz guru Ken Ishikawa, and was a limited edition above the regular PM66 of the time. Its has light use and is in unmarked condition with manual and remote. This amplifier was a 5star buy What Hi-Fi when new and received rave reviews - in my opinion and I`m sure others on the forum will confirm it would be better than most modern day amps costing up to £400 new today never mind your budget as you mentioned. It sounds brilliant today - I use it in my second system with a Marantz cd63Ki sig its brother if you like when new (the Cd player was listed as the 5th most iconic piece of hi-fi kit ever) It also has a phono stage for connecting your turntable, its on ebay at present with bids starting at £130. the amp could in my opinion become a collectors item in the future due to the Ki-sig spec and I would put my mortage on it not losing value in the future as long as it is working fully. It was serviced 4 years ago by a Marantz specialist in Sheffield. Ask around for references, mention it to the salesman who sells you a new £200 amp and he will be either a good fibber or his only defence is ignorance or reliabilty issues due to age, lack of warranty. The power output is 70 watts per channel into 8 ohms so would give plenty of power for your speakers and go really quite loud, I`ve never managed to get the volume dial more than half way round.

An Av amplifier has a tuner built in so basically you get a tuner and an amp as opposed to an amp only with an integrated amplifier. therefore it should follow that a comparable AV due to the extra facility would not sound as good as an integrated at the same price.

You can buy reasonably priced interconnects which are better than the bog standard ones for your new amp, ask the retailer for a free-bee perhaps, bi-wiring can be attended to once you know what amp and speaker combo you choose, cables can be made to suit your amp/speakers with plugs for bi-wiring if necessary. A new amp will usually come out of the box without cables to connect your amp to other pieces of your kit eg turntable, cd player, cassette deck etc, ask the dealer for advice or check onlineshops for good deals. Best to select an amp that you can connect your turntable to, meaning it already has a phono stage. Most new amps dont have this facility and in this case further expenditure has to be made to buy a phono-stage.

Loads of good brands provide decent amps at £150-£200 such as Marantz, Nad, Denon, Rotel. Check on this site for best buys. However if I were you I would look for a good used item - giving you more "bang for your buck". My own Marantz ends tomorrow on ebay and has 28 watchers and I`m sure it will sell for around the £180 mark.

Good luck and take your time would be my advice.

Regards

Will.

Most importantly have a listen if buying new, think of your preference in sound and what type of music you prefer,

 

[Big Chris]

hexagonalbolts:Big Chris:

I don't know where you live Mr Bolts, but if Winchester is do-able, you might want to check this out.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Marantz-PM7200-Amplifier-silver-finish-/260716460342?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiFi_Amplifiers&hash=item3cb3e97936

Manchester for university (reading when with the 'rents) unfortunately! I hate when people refuse to do postage on ebay, I mean, it's less than a tenner with a courier.

*edit* also, what is the difference, if any, between a normal amplifier, 'integrated amplifier', and an 'AV receiver?

Winchester's do-able from Reading. Get one of your parents to pick it up for you.

A 'normal' amp is basically an integrated amp. This means it has both 'pre' (does the volume, tone controls if there are any and input selection) and 'power' (the bit that actually sends power to the speakers) sections.

You can get seperate pre-amps and power amps. Seperating is supposed to aid quality. You can also add power amps to some integrated amps (as I have), this allows you to use the integrated amp purely as a pre-amp, or you can use the power sections of both amps to bi-amp your speakers....... But let's not get ahead of ourselves....

An A/V receiver has multiple channels of power to run a 5.1 surround sound system. They look good on paper, but are known for being not particularly great shakes when producing stereo music.

You can get stereo receivers. All the 'receiver' part means is that it has a tuner built into the amplifier. They're not very common though. And again tend to come under the 'jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none' banner.

 

[Anonymous]

Big Chris:hexagonalbolts:Big Chris:
I don't know where you live Mr Bolts, but if Winchester is do-able, you might want to check this out.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Marantz-PM7200-Amplifier-silver-finish-/260716460342?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiFi_Amplifiers&hash=item3cb3e97936

Manchester for university (reading when with the 'rents) unfortunately! I hate when people refuse to do postage on ebay, I mean, it's less than a tenner with a courier.

*edit* also, what is the difference, if any, between a normal amplifier, 'integrated amplifier', and an 'AV receiver?

Winchester's do-able from Reading. Get one of your parents to pick it up for you.

A 'normal' amp is basically in integrated amp. This means it has both 'pre' (does the volume, tone controls if there are any and input selection) and 'power' (the bit that actually sends power to the speakers) sections.

You can get seperate pre-amps and power amps. Seperating is supposed to aid quality. You can also add power amps to some integrated amps (as I have), this allows you to use the integrated amp purely as a pre-amp, or you can use the power sections of both amps to bi-amp your speakers....... But let's not get ahead of ourselves....

An A/V receiver has multiple channels of power to run a 5.1 surround sound system. They look good on paper, but are known for being not particularly great shakes when producing stereo music.

You can get stereo receivers. All the 'receiver' part means is that it has a tuner built into the amplifier. They're not very common though. And again tend to come under the 'jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none' banner.

Thanks yet again Chris for all that info! What about bi-wiring, my speakers say they are 'bi-wireable' do I need to look for an amp that can specifically do that as well, or can all amps?

 

[Big Chris]

hexagonalbolts:Big Chris:hexagonalbolts:Big Chris:

I don't know where you live Mr Bolts, but if Winchester is do-able, you might want to check this out.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Marantz-PM7200-Amplifier-silver-finish-/260716460342?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiFi_Amplifiers&hash=item3cb3e97936

Manchester for university (reading when with the 'rents) unfortunately! I hate when people refuse to do postage on ebay, I mean, it's less than a tenner with a courier.

*edit* also, what is the difference, if any, between a normal amplifier, 'integrated amplifier', and an 'AV receiver?

Winchester's do-able from Reading. Get one of your parents to pick it up for you.

A 'normal' amp is basically in integrated amp. This means it has both 'pre' (does the volume, tone controls if there are any and input selection) and 'power' (the bit that actually sends power to the speakers) sections.

You can get seperate pre-amps and power amps. Seperating is supposed to aid quality. You can also add power amps to some integrated amps (as I have), this allows you to use the integrated amp purely as a pre-amp, or you can use the power sections of both amps to bi-amp your speakers....... But let's not get ahead of ourselves....

An A/V receiver has multiple channels of power to run a 5.1 surround sound system. They look good on paper, but are known for being not particularly great shakes when producing stereo music.

You can get stereo receivers. All the 'receiver' part means is that it has a tuner built into the amplifier. They're not very common though. And again tend to come under the 'jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none' banner.

Thanks yet again Chris for all that info! What about bi-wiring, my speakers say they are 'bi-wireable' do I need to look for an amp that can specifically do that as well, or can all amps?

All amps can do bi-wiring. It's basically running two lengths of speaker cable to each speaker. One connects to the woofer's speaker terminals (usually, but not always, the bottom connections), and one to the tweeter's terminals. They then join together at the amp's speaker output connections. If you do look into this, it's essential you remove the brass linking bars on the speakers that link the bottom and the top terminals.

It's not essential though. Some say it makes no difference, others say it makes a slight improvement. I personally wouldn't fret over it to begin with.

 

[Anonymous]

Big Chris:
All amps can do bi-wiring. It's basically running two lengths of speaker cable to each speaker. One connects to the woofer's speaker terminals (usually, but not always, the bottom connections), and one to the tweeter's terminals. They then join together at the amp's speaker output connections. If you do look into this, it's essential you remove the brass linking bars on the speakers that link the bottom and the top terminals.

It's not essential though. Some say it makes no difference, others say it makes a slight improvement. I personally wouldn't fret over it to begin with.


Big thanks again Chris, you've been invaluable. So if bi-wiring doesn't matter, I am essentially looking for an amp that has a wattage of at least 50w (when it says 'this amp is 70w' does that mean 70w per channel or 70w in total i.e. 35w per channel?), with a phono input to receive the mixer for my decks (is that right?), and... I see Ohms being thrown around a lot, do I need to worry about them?

Oh, also, I plan to link up my amplifier to my computer. I don't have enough to afford a DAC for now, will I be fine just plugging my computer in to my amp?

I think if my Xarus-5000 speakers come in stock before the end of January then I will just buy them and a second hand amp off ebay. If they don't then I'll give the richer sounds shop a try and see what combines well, but I'm concerned because it'll cost so much more new.

 

[Big Chris]

If an amp is 50w, it'll be 50wpc (Watts Per Channel).

All you should need to plug your computer into your amp is a 3.5mm minijack-to-2 RCA cable. I use this Atlas one.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ATLAS-i-POD-2RCA-3-5mm-1-5m-HALF-PRICE-BARGAIN-/320584054585?pt=UK_CE_MP3Access_RL&hash=item4aa44c7739

Just connect it to the headphone out, or for a desktop computer, where the speaker system connects in the back. It's also handy for connecting any portable audio players or mobile phones into your amp.

If you're only connecting one pair of speakers, you shouldn't have to worry too much about ohms.

I don't know much about mixers, so you might reqire a phono stage in the amp, or you may not. All I know is 'regular' turntables do need a phono stage. (It's just because turntables produce such a small signal, they require a boost to allow the amp to do its job properly.)

If you can find an amp with a phono input, then you're covered if you need one or not.

 

[Anonymous]

The Wharfedales came back in stock and I just had to get them! Such good value for money, so well rated and recommended, if I'd gotten anything else I would've just been doubting that I hadn't got the best I could've. Now just to use your advice and find an amp...

*edit* I'm really struggling to find anything with a phono input...

Any help? Anyone seen anything good on Ebay? (I'm afraid my parents won't go to Winchester to get that Marantz)

 

[Anonymous]

Don,t worry too much about wattage, i,m running speakers rated at 200 watts with an amp rated at 36 watts.

 

[Anonymous]

hexagonalbolts:The Wharfedales came back in stock and I just had to get them! Such good value for money, so well rated and recommended, if I'd gotten anything else I would've just been doubting that I hadn't got the best I could've. Now just to use your advice and find an amp...

*edit* I'm really struggling to find anything with a phono input...

Any help? Anyone seen anything good on Ebay? (I'm afraid my parents won't go to Winchester to get that Marantz)

Hi mate

I used to do exactly what you are doing here, i had my decks running into the mixer then the mixer to the amp.

The mixer will act as the phono stage and boost the signal to the amp, meaning you dont need a dedicated phono stage.

I had mine just plugged into the AUX terminals.

I used to have a NAD C320BEE It was excellent, nice bass and midrange. good for dj practice. It is 50W per channel, that will go plenty loud enough for your bedroom. trust me i've had the neighbours round plenty telling me to "pack it in, we're trying to watch corrie"

There is one on eBay, probably get him down to £200, you will have a cracker for the money.

http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=nad+c320bee&_sacat=See-All-Categories

Cheers

Jon

 

[Anonymous]

JonTinning:
hexagonalbolts:The Wharfedales came back in stock and I just had to get them! Such good value for money, so well rated and recommended, if I'd gotten anything else I would've just been doubting that I hadn't got the best I could've. Now just to use your advice and find an amp...

*edit* I'm really struggling to find anything with a phono input...

Any help? Anyone seen anything good on Ebay? (I'm afraid my parents won't go to Winchester to get that Marantz)

Hi mate

I used to do exactly what you are doing here, i had my decks running into the mixer then the mixer to the amp.

The mixer will act as the phono stage and boost the signal to the amp, meaning you dont need a dedicated phono stage.

I had mine just plugged into the AUX terminals.

I used to have a NAD C320BEE It was excellent, nice bass and midrange. good for dj practice. It is 50W per channel, that will go plenty loud enough for your bedroom. trust me i've had the neighbours round plenty telling me to "pack it in, we're trying to watch corrie"

There is one on eBay, probably get him down to £200, you will have a cracker for the money.

http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=nad+c320bee&_sacat=See-All-Categories

Cheers

Jon

Thanks a lot Jon, that makes my job a hell of a lot easier - trying to find a budget amp with phono was looking very bleak!

I'm tempted by that NAD, I'll have a long hard think now, thanks.

 

[Anonymous]

Please could anyone recommend me some speaker cable and banana-plug-things..?

Also, I made another thread on this but nobody replied and you guys have been extremely helpful - what about this amp? Teac-AG-790A

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Teac-AG-790A-Amplifier-radio-tuner/dp/B000NJ2SWG/ref=sr_1_9?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1295020738&sr=1-9

100W per channel? And good reviews on Amazon as well as on Google products (http://tinyurl.com/4lwaw3q)?

Big Chris:
If an amp is 50w, it'll be 50wpc (Watts Per Channel).

Also, what is dynamic power? The NAD C320BEE has 50W power, ideally I'd like a bit more so I don't damage the speakers seeing as they are '25w-250w', but then it also says:
'2 x 50W Minimum Continuous Power into 4 / 8 ohms
110W, 160W, 210W, IHF Dynamic power into 8, 4 and 2 ohms, respectively'

Thanks very much for any help in advance

 

[Big Chris]

hexagonalbolts:Please could anyone recommend me some speaker cable and banana-plug-things..?

Also, I made another thread on this but nobody replied and you guys have been extremely helpful - what about this amp? Teac-AG-790A

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Teac-AG-790A-Amplifier-radio-tuner/dp/B000NJ2SWG/ref=sr_1_9?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1295020738&sr=1-9

100W per channel? And good reviews on Amazon as well as on Google products (http://tinyurl.com/4lwaw3q)?

Big Chris:

If an amp is 50w, it'll be 50wpc (Watts Per Channel).

Also, what is dynamic power? The NAD C320BEE has 50W power, ideally I'd like a bit more so I don't damage the speakers seeing as they are '25w-250w', but then it also says:
'2 x 50W Minimum Continuous Power into 4 / 8 ohms
110W, 160W, 210W, IHF Dynamic power into 8, 4 and 2 ohms, respectively'

Thanks very much for any help in advance

It'll be 50w RMS (Root Mean Square). Any amps that say anything like "Peak Music Power" or somesuch nonsense are vastly exaggerating their outputs.

Alas, RMS can also be used to flatter figures as you get different RMS figures with different THD figures (Total Harmonic Distortion).

It's a minefield.

50w should be fine, just don't go crazy with the volume.

 

[Anonymous]

Big Chris:hexagonalbolts:Please could anyone recommend me some speaker cable and banana-plug-things..?

Also, I made another thread on this but nobody replied and you guys have been extremely helpful - what about this amp? Teac-AG-790A

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Teac-AG-790A-Amplifier-radio-tuner/dp/B000NJ2SWG/ref=sr_1_9?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1295020738&sr=1-9

100W per channel? And good reviews on Amazon as well as on Google products (http://tinyurl.com/4lwaw3q)?

Big Chris:
If an amp is 50w, it'll be 50wpc (Watts Per Channel).

Also, what is dynamic power? The NAD C320BEE has 50W power, ideally I'd like a bit more so I don't damage the speakers seeing as they are '25w-250w', but then it also says:
'2 x 50W Minimum Continuous Power into 4 / 8 ohms
110W, 160W, 210W, IHF Dynamic power into 8, 4 and 2 ohms, respectively'

Thanks very much for any help in advance

It'll be 50w RMS (Root Mean Square). Any amps that say anything like "Peak Music Power" or somesuch nonsense are vastly exaggerating their outputs.

Alas, RMS can also be used to flatter figures as you get different RMS figures with different THD figures (Total Harmonic Distortion).

It's a minefield.

50w should be fine, just don't go crazy with the volume.

Oh dear it's just like buying computer components where they throw random numbers at you. Any advice on the cable Chris (or anyone else)? Should I just go on amazon, type in 'speaker cable' and buy one that's well rated / not too cheap? and I won't need any other cables? Also any thoughts on that Teac amp (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Teac-AG-790A-Amplifier-radio-tuner/dp/B000NJ2SWG/ref=sr_1_9?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1295020738&sr=1-9 ), supposedly 100W+100W RMS output power at 8ohms? Sorry to throw so many questions at you, you've been so much help, big thanks.

 

[Anonymous]

..... Any advice on the cable ......

This speaker cable will be fine: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/QED-Classic-79-Strand-Speaker-Cable-Per-Metre-Black-/300486169108?pt=UK_Computing_CablesConnectors_RL&hash=item45f65f1214

Here is a link to a reliable supplier of banana plug:

http://www.kenable.co.uk/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=banana+plugs&x=6&y=5

 

[Big Chris]

That Teac looks OK, but I think you'll get better for your money if you look at second hand.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Marantz-PM-66-Ki-Sig-Integrated-Amplifier-/280612211049?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiFi_Amplifiers&hash=item4155ca8969

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NAD-C355BEE-INTEGRATED-AMPLIFIER-GRAPHITE-/150547345116?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiFi_Amplifiers&hash=item230d522edc