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Advice on my choice of system

benk123

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Hi,

I am considering the following system for my new house.

Network Receiver - Denon AVR X2200 Network Receiver

Wharfedale Diamond 220 speakers

Subwoofer - Klipsch Reference R-12SW

What do you guys think of my choice?

I would love some feedback please.

Thanks

Ben
 

NSA_watch_my_toilet

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benk123 said:
Hi,

I am considering the following system for my new house.

Network Receiver - Denon AVR X2200 Network Receiver

Wharfedale Diamond 220 speakers

Subwoofer - Klipsch Reference R-12SW

What do you guys think of my choice?

I would love some feedback please.

Thanks

Ben
I don't even know where to start. What is the purpose on this set. Do you have a wish to look at films/ stream music/riding vinyls ?
Is it for home cinema use only ? Should it be a balanced set between the home cinema and hifi use... or mabe a hifi set only ? And wich room should he be in ?
I will not criticize too much, because I do it a lot, and I will look like a grumpy cat with internet connection, but I never experienced a Wharfedale speaker sounding right. NE-VER !

At the other side, I can only recommand you to buy a set that you experienced by yourself. Blind buys will 80% of the time end in a disappointement.
 

benk123

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Thanks for your input. I primarily want to listen to music. I have a medium sized open plan sitting room and dining area. By thw way, What Hi-Fi highly recommend the wharfedale 220's...
 

lpv

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that denon newtwork receiver is far better choice then if you would go with usual marantz pm 6xxx.. more power, features & connectivity.. I'm not a fan of passive speakers but who cares; if you like those Wharfedale's go for it.. it will all work together...

having said that and if that's my money I would get instead:

yamaha wxc-50 with yamaha hs7.. and if you still need more bass you can add BK Gemini II any time...
 

benk123

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Hi,

Here is a newbie question...(sorry), do I require an amplifier (yamaha wxa-50) if I am using the powered hs7's?
 

Nathan

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In terms eras of the receiver, I would not get the 2200. I had one recently on trial and it is a bit weak on the power and connectivity - but a god amp aside. Get the 2300 instead or if you can stretch to it the 4200 is top drawer for the money and with the 3300 being released and the 4300 due out in October you could get a real bargain
 

lpv

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benk123 said:
Hi,

Here is a newbie question...(sorry), do I require an amplifier (yamaha wxa-50) if I am using the powered hs7's?
no, you don't need any power amp for hs7 monitors. all you need is preamp or streaming preamp like the one I've suggested.
 

benk123

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I am trying to put together a system that is faily future proof. The Yamaha system looks really good.
 

davedotco

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But you need to understand that it is a 'next generation' product, in the slow moving world of hi-fi that is.

Like Apple products a few years back, it has taken the rather brave step to dump many of the classic requirements of 'legacy' hi-fi, so it has just one digital input, for disc players for example and a single analogue input, that's it, everything else is built in.

If you are going to obtain all your music by streaming, be it your local network or online, then the WXC50 is a fantastic piece of kit at a very realistic price, it really does do everything, Airplay and Bluetooth, Spotify Connect and a host of other streaming services.

Obviously the WXC50 makes sense if you are going to use active or powered speakers but if you want to keep it 'traditional' the WXA50 has built in amplification, so a decent pair of budget speakers and you are good to go.

BTW. What is your logic for choosing a subwoofer rather than more capable speakers?
 

lpv

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benk 123 - most of the bookshelf speakers reproduce 250Hz - 60Hz range without a problem but only very best will do that without ruining crucial midrange... for anything below you will need a sub.. also, bass response is very room dependant...
 

benk123

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davedotco said:
BTW. What is your logic for choosing a subwoofer rather than more capable speakers?
The reason for adding a sub is purely to make sure I am not missing anything. I want the fullest, richest sound for a reasonable price. Sure I probably don't need it but it would add another dimension.
 

davedotco

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What sort of things do you play, music?, film?, Games? What do you feel you would be missing?

It would be helpful to know as different subs respond better to different material. Also, depending where you are, your market might be very different from the UK, with products at different prices or not available, the whole 'best that you can afford' thing will be different.

Have you given any further thought to whether to go with active/powered speakers or the more traditional amp and speakers?
 

benk123

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I will mostly be listening to music, progressive rock and instrumental music. I also have to music dvd's. I want a full sound, not sure about active or passive speakers. I like the option on the wharfedale 220's to bi-wire....I am open to your suggestions.
 

davedotco

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Is a difficult subject, partly because the term is so wide ranging and so vague.

Most music, excluding perhaps some electronic music and a church organ, will be happy with an in room response down to about 70hz with the response rolling off below that. After all, that is the basic response of music cut onto an LP record, 12db/octave with a -3dB point at 70Hz, this was the norm for all 'popular' commercial recordings and a few specialist lables apart it still is.

Digital can and does have a response that goes much deeper but for 'classic' rock it really is not needed, what is required is a tight, powerful response in the couple of octaves above 60hz. Subwoofers are designed to fill in below 60hz, they will not give you more punch or more presence, on some recordings they might give you some 'weight' to underpin the music but it is remarkable how little it contributes in other cases.

Many buy subwoofers in the belief that it will give more power and punch, and are disappointed, on music at least, subs extend the bass, they do not boost it.

As always this depends a lot on what you want, I never cease to be amazed at what some people want from their hi-fi, I can give you the correct advice, whether you like it is up to you.

For a budget system that plays rock and pop (in the widest sense) with bass punch, power and presence, an active speaker with a 7 or 8 inch driver will get the job done in a way that comparibly priced hi-fi components will not, but you will not find this sort of setup in your local hi-fi store, you have to look elswhere, pro-audio/music shops in fact.

BTW. Bi-wiring is pointless, it does nothing.
 

benk123

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I like what you are saying, I would get a sub just to extend the bass, not boost it, I want to not be missing anything in the music.

Are active speakers really that good? I wan considering Yamaha HS7 for monitors because I do a small amount of home recording. Can you advise me on some decent acrive speakers for listenting to music?

I was unsure about bi-wiring, it sounded interesting at first...

thanks
 

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benk123 said:
I like what you are saying, I would get a sub just to extend the bass, not boost it, I want to not be missing anything in the music.

Are active speakers really that good? I wan considering Yamaha HS7 for monitors because I do a small amount of home recording. Can you advise me on some decent acrive speakers for listenting to music?

I was unsure about bi-wiring, it sounded interesting at first...

thanks
Active is the best way to go
Listen to Dave and Ipv
they have given you some very good advice.
 

benk123

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I never considered active speakers before joining this forum, thanks for the eye opener.

Can you suggest/recommend which active speakers I should look at?

Coupled with the yamaha wxc-50 I could have quite a clean system. Should I also consider wireless speakers like the Kef 300A wireless?

Thank you for all of you valuable advice, it is gratefully accepted.
 

lpv

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don't be put off by 'monitor speaker' label.. I've never came across so called ' studio monitors' that don't sound great to phenomenal in home environment.. the new yamaha streaming preamp/ dac [ £300] will work perfect with all active designs.. what would be your max budget for the speakers if you decide to go that route?
 

davedotco

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If you can use your speakers for both recording and listening, ie if there are no practical problems of physically moving the speakers between to the two applications, then get one very good pair of speakers to do both.

For example, around £900 will get you a pair of Adam A7x, a phenominally capable set of speakers that will do everything you want, add a sub if you want, but for music I personally don't see the need.

If you are determined to find a 'hi-fi' (rather than pro) solution, the AVI DM5 at £699 would be an excellent solution, difficult to find outside the uk though and you would probably want a sub as these are quite modest in size.

The kef X300 are decent if rather expensive options, not sure why you would want wireless connection when the WXC 50 already has Airplay and Bluetooth. Performance wise, nor reall up to the standard of the Adam or AVI models already mentioned.
 

benk123

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I am at the research stage right now. The wxc-50 looks a great option. That and a pair if active preakers sounds just the ticket. The Adam spreakers are not availabe here (Israel). Can you recommend a few other brands? How about Audioengine A5+N?
 

lpv

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benk123 said:
I am at the research stage right now. The wxc-50 looks a great option. That and a pair if active preakers sounds just the ticket. The Adam spreakers are not availabe here (Israel). Can you recommend a few other brands? How about Audioengine A5+N?
AVI will send their speakers any place in the world and now with weaker pound it's even better deal..

http://www.avihifi.co.uk/products.html
 

benk123

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Found a dealer in Israel. Price per unit 840 GBP. I was speechless, way out of my price range...
 

luckylion100

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It's really made me think about my own set up so I hope you don't mind me asking about the sound quality of these Adam A7x partnered with the Yamaha WXC50..

If I was to dispose of my PMC Twenty 23's, Roksan K2 + Power amp would the Adams match or even better what the PMC's can output in sound quality terms? I'm aware my current amplication is a little long in the tooth. I'd also like to cut down on the number of boxes, free rack space etc.

Vinyl playback is key though but I'm imagining I could connect my Rega Fono M2 into the Analogue in jack of the Yamaha to accomodate this?

As far as active speakers go I'm wondering how far up the chain I'd have to go to match the PMC's..

Any feedback would be appreciated and sorry about hijacking the thread but I'm hopeful any comments will also be valuable to the OP.
 

benk123

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The import tax and shipping to Israel is killing the price. Anyway I am still hopeful I will find away to get the equipment I want.

Thank you everyboby for your input.

I welcome all comments and advice.
 

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