A Royal Disappointment

ESP2009

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I have been a Queen fan since the '70s, although I have never had much time for the new incarnation, sans Freddie. Despite this, for one reason or another, my collection of Queen CDs has been largely forgotten, tucked away in a cabinet in another room. At the weekend I became aware of Innuendo playing in the background at a pub and thought: "Blimey, I've not given that a listen in a while - must dig it out!"

Last night, home alone, I extricated my stack of Queen CDs and slipped Innuendo into the 'player. I was really looking forward to enjoying Freddie and the lads giving my ears a sonic massage. Was I ever disappointed? OK, so the Spanish guitars and Freddie's lyrics came across well, but the remainder seemed a muddled mess, lurking quite sulkily in the bottom centre of the soundstage. The rest of the album continued on in much the same vein - OK, but not the musical feast I had hoped for.

I began to think there is something very wrong with the system (and I do know there are some limitations). I enjoy a wide cross-section of music, and rock (progressive and metal) features in there, although usually confined to the CD-player in the car. Much of what I have listened to recently has emphasised the current set-up's ability to convey albums by Mike Oldfield, Melody Gardot, Gordon Giltrap and Paul Simon, but have I missed a trick with the heavier side of things? Or have I just chosen a less than ideal example of the rock genre for proving that my hi-fi can pick up and run with a good section of music?

I read somewhere on these forum pages that the recent(ish) remastered Seconds Out CD by Genesis is a well-produced album. Perhaps I can dig that one out when I get the chance. Another possibility is Dream Theater - I have several of their albums somewhere - is the production on these considered to be worthy? As I say, much of my rock collection has been confined to the car stereo in recent years and not graced a decent hi-fi system since being purchased!
 
matthewpiano:It isn't your system. Some of the Queen CDs are absolutely awful in terms of sound quality. It is a shame because the music is so good.

Well, someone should do something about it then! Ooooooh, it makes me very angry!
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On the other hand, it's very much a relief, even though I am disappointed about the CD quality. It really makes you wonder what the artists hear before the release and what they think afterwards.

Anyway, I am lining up a few other rock-based tracks for a listen. Some may be on Spotify Premium, but if they sound good, then I can be assured that a decent CD will be even better.
 
I second that. I have their Greatest hits and the bass and drumming sounds like it's played in a Cornflakes box. I have others, oddly enough, similar type of music from the same era that sounds totally duff, although, as Matthew states, it isn't the system. I think it's down to naff recording process.
 
Oi, PP, aren't you supposed to be at work?!

Oh, I have seen that there are remastered versions of Queen albums about, are these any better, or just a superior version of the muddiness?
 
ESP2009:

Oh, I have seen that there are remastered versions of Queen albums about, are these any better, or just a superior version of the muddiness?

The very latest remaster - for the Absolute Greatest album - is the best i've heard yet; certainly miles better than the Greatest Hits original, but it's still not going to make any Top 10 list for recording quality.
 
Queen albums aren't particularly great sounding and really quiet. Must be the quietest albums in my collection. Only time they came to life was a few years back when I bought my Kimber Silver Streak I/Cs, and this was after listening to the albums for 20 years!

Dream Theater stuff by contrast is quite well produced, especially the stuff from '6 Degrees Of Inner Turbulence' onwards. The earlier albums aren't bad either though.
 
Clare Newsome:ESP2009:

Oh, I have seen that there are remastered versions of Queen albums about, are these any better, or just a superior version of the muddiness?

The very latest remaster - for the Absolute Greatest album - is the best i've heard yet; certainly miles better than the Greatest Hits original, but it's still not going to make any Top 10 list for recording quality.

...which is a real shame. For such a fine British group to be let down by poor recordings. Mind you, it was never a problem to me before I started mucking about with my hi-fi! Trouble is, I now expect far more - Doh!
 
Big Chris:

Queen albums aren't particularly great sounding and really quiet. Must be the quietest albums in my collection. Only time they came to life was a few years back when I bought my Kimber Silver Streak I/Cs, and this was after listening to the albums for 20 years!

Dream Theater stuff by contrast is quite well produced, especially the stuff from '6 Degrees Of Inner Turbulence' onwards. The earlier albums aren't bad either though.

Thanks for your comments - at least the Dream Theater side of things seems promising. I must my Serenity albums, too.
 
We have some Queen DVDs that sound ok. I could never get into just listening to them. Too much of a show-band for that.

However I did make an exception for the CD that Clare linked to. Just to get a few of the bigger hits onto my iTunes 'pop' jukebox.
 
ESP2009:Clare Newsome:ESP2009:

Oh, I have seen that there are remastered versions of Queen albums about, are these any better, or just a superior version of the muddiness?

The very latest remaster - for the Absolute Greatest album - is the best i've heard yet; certainly miles better than the Greatest Hits original, but it's still not going to make any Top 10 list for recording quality.

...which is a real shame. For such a fine British group to be let down by poor recordings. Mind you, it was never a problem to me before I started mucking about with my hi-fi! Trouble is, I now expect far more - Doh!

The Absolute Greatest remaster - certainly on vinyl - is a great listen, though. Certainly more than good enough for me to be enjoying the music rather than worrying about the recording. Which is, of course, exactly how it should be, regardless of how excellent your hi-fi!
 
Clare Newsome:....more than good enough for me to be enjoying the music rather than worrying about the recording. Which is, of course, exactly how it should be, regardless of how excellent your hi-fi!

(Yes, yes, yes!)ý
 
Clare and Chebby, you both make a very good point on that score (
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) and I certainly intend to listen to my CDs with that in mind. However, with all the messing around I have been doing recently, I wanted to hear something a bit more special out of my CD collection.

And I still stand by my comments - it is a shame such a great group don't have better sounding CDs!
 
A good proportion of my favourite music is 'marginal' in terms of recording quality.

One of the only double albums that I can play all the way through (and then play again) is Desmond Dekker's 'Officially Live and Rare' (1989). It's live, its a mess, and the crowd is boisterous but I love it anyway.

Another is Spike Lee's "Do it A Cappella" soundtrack on CD.

The genius of Black Uhuru's "The Dub Factor" completely outweighs the fact that every bit of tape hiss from all the spliced bits can be heard cutting in and out.

I don't care.

I guess having grown up with vinyl and using vinyl on and off (mostly on) most of my life until last November, my senses don't recoil at the odd bit of extraneous noise.

In fact I get a bit uncomfortable with deep cavernous silences and clinical precision in music. The music I love is - on the whole - pretty 'dirty'.
 
chebby:

A good proportion of my favourite music is 'marginal' in terms of recording quality.

One of the only double albums that I can play all the way through (and then play again) is Desmond Dekker's 'Officially Live and Rare' (1989). It's live, its a mess, and the crowd is boisterous but I love it anyway.

Another is Spike Lee's "Do it A Cappella" soundtrack on CD.

The genius of Black Uhuru's "The Dub Factor" completely outweighs the fact that every bit of tape hiss from all the spliced bits can be heard cutting in and out.

I don't care.

I guess having grown up with vinyl and using vinyl on and off (mostly on) most of my life until last November, my senses don't recoil at the odd bit of extraneous noise.

In fact I get a bit uncomfortable with deep cavernous silences and clinical precision in music. The music I love is - on the whole - pretty 'dirty'.

Oooooer! You dirty boy!
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I understand what you say, and can readily accept that live (and other) recordings can be rough, adding to the whole atmosphere and 'feel'. However, if an album is recorded in the studio, surely it should sound absolutely spot-on? I know I tend to harp on about the (new to me) 'My One And Only Thrill' by Melody Gardot, but that is a studio album that sounds gorgeous - every note seems to come out of the speakers and caress my ears, and I can hear every breath and lip-smacking syllable Melody utters; it's luvverly! It gives a marvellously intimate experience in my own living room (but don't tell the missus!) Now that is how to produce an album! It is not soulless or clinical. If there was the sound of a night club audience, clinking glasses and murmuring in the background, maybe it would be truly astounding.
 
I think you're right, if stuff recorded in the 50s on two-track masters can sound good then there's no excuse for 70s and 80s stuff to be poorly recorded really.
 
Yep, surely it's not rocket science to get the balance right? Particularly if you are talking big name groups. Sure, little known outfits, just starting out can be expected to sound a bit raw due limited funds for recording, but I would hate to see the studio bill for Innuendo! Did the lads from Queen actually listen to the end result? It could have sounded so much better. What were they and the sound engineers listening to?

Similar, I suppose, to some gigs I have attended. If what I hear is a muddy mess, with vocals drowned out by guitars, drums and such, just what is the sound engineer listening to? What did it sound like at the sound check session? A room full of music fans can alter the sound, but surely not to the extent that it cannot be rescued after the first number?
 
Clare Newsome:

the_lhc:I there's no excuse for 70s and 80s stuff to be poorly recorded really.

Other than the allegedly monstrous quantities of drugs being consumed, you mean
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An entertaining book on that topic here, incidentally ...

Thanks for the recommendation - looks like a good birthday present for a couple of my mates!
 
the_lhc:Clare Newsome:the_lhc:I there's no excuse for 70s and 80s stuff to be poorly recorded really.
Other than the allegedly monstrous quantities of drugs being consumed, you mean
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An entertaining book on that topic here, incidentally ...

You'd hope there'd be one person in the booth that wasn't off his tree though really...
i doubt there would have been so much creativity in the 60s and 70s if all the musicians were drinking pg tips and going to bed at ten
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maxflinn:the_lhc:Clare Newsome:the_lhc:I there's no excuse for 70s and 80s stuff to be poorly recorded really.
Other than the allegedly monstrous quantities of drugs being consumed, you mean
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You'd hope there'd be one person in the booth that wasn't off his tree though really...

i doubt there would have been so much creativity in the 60s and 70s if all the musicians were drinking pg tips and going to bed at ten
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I was thinking of the engineers really.
 

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