Yamaha RX V 1900 vs Denon 2310

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HiI am looking to purchase a surround av receiver and am debating which of the above to go for. Currently they are both available for approx the same price in Australia.   
My current setup (stereo only) - NAD C370, B&W 603, Sonique thunderbox 1200 active subwoofer.  I have ordered the B&W 685 and HTM62 for rears and centre speakers respectively.
I bought the Sony BDP 360 to go with my Z 5500 46" TV (Thanks for your advice Clare !!!! Will be getting the apple TV too as per your recommendations)
I've been told the Yamaha sound is much brighter and can be overwhelming on the top end as compared to the Denon (or NAD for that matter) but have not and will not have a chance to test them (Yamaha that is) out on my speakers.  I tested the Denon 1910 and thought it was OK for movies but was more impressed with music IMHO (I'm no expert).  
So, if i could get some advice please...... 1900 or 2310?
Thanks in advance

 

[Pistol Pete1]

Never heard the yamaha, but it received very good reviews. The Denon is a very warm sounding receiver (typical of Denon), and it would work well with your speaker selection, in my opinion.

Besides, could you really live with that orange display on the yamaha? So old fashioned!!!

And I love my Denon........

 

[Anonymous]

Hmm,would like to know this too.Yamaha is an older model,but higher up the range!

 

[Anonymous]

i think the yamaha should be superior dont forget it was the best amp you could get up to a grand last year comfortably beating the onkyo 876 and denon 2809, the 2310's previous version the 2309 was a step down in price class to the 2809,i think denon has put the price of the recievers up this year, the 2809's replacement the 3310 (now £1200)is more of a match to the yamaha performance wise, id go for the yamaha myself.

 

[Pistol Pete1]

fowler:i think the yamaha should be superior dont forget it was the best amp you could get up to a grand last year comfortably beating the onkyo 876 and denon 2809, the 2310's previous version the 2309 was a step down in price class to the 2809,i think denon has put the price of the recievers up this year, the 2809's replacement the 3310 (now £1200)is more of a match to the yamaha performance wise, id go for the yamaha myself.

The Denon 2310 replaces both the 2309 AND 2809, which is why it is priced the same as the more expensive model. Denon seems to have just decided not to make as many models this year.

Afterall, there wasn't much difference between the 2309 and 2809 last year!!

 

[TKratz]

I would also strongly consider to give the Yamaha a listen. I can't recognise that Yamaha should sound bright? That has definately not been the case on the Yamaha's I've tested. They have been warm and a little bit on the dark side. Usually a very good match for B&W speakers.

 

[Anonymous]

Pistol Pete1:
fowler:i think the yamaha should be superior dont forget it was the best amp you could get up to a grand last year comfortably beating the onkyo 876 and denon 2809, the 2310's previous version the 2309 was a step down in price class to the 2809,i think denon has put the price of the recievers up this year, the 2809's replacement the 3310 (now £1200)is more of a match to the yamaha performance wise, id go for the yamaha myself.

The Denon 2310 replaces both the 2309 AND 2809, which is why it is priced the same as the more expensive model. Denon seems to have just decided not to make as many models this year.

Afterall, there wasn't much difference between the 2309 and 2809 last year!!
the denon 2310 does replace the 2809 but only in price, the denon 2809 was £200 more than the 2309 and had more power and multiroom support. looking at the specs of the 3310 it looks more like the replacement to the 2809 although its more expensive as is the 2310 to the 2309. i personily think the yamaha should be a step up from the 2310. just my opinion!

 

[bigboss]

If you think Yamaha sounds bright, you should listen to Pioneer! Yamaha RX-V1900 is quite warm and sonic. It's excellent for both movies & music. Definitely have a listen. It's a superb receiver. I haven't heard Denon, so cannot comment on it. But Yamaha is in the league of Denon 3310 which is a step above the 2310.

 

[lcd4ever]

I haven't heard the Denon but can only sing the praises of the Yamaha, it truly is an excellent receiver, definitely not 'bright' I have it partnered with MS Mezzo speaker set up which is 'treble biased' speaker set up and I still get plenty of bass. I wouldn't describe the Yamaha as 'warm' either a better description would be transparent or 'real', everything sounds exactly as it should what more can you ask......

 

[Anonymous]

lcd4ever: everything sounds exactly as it should what more can you ask......

Could you elaborate on this please

I have a hard job knowing exactly what the exact sound should be. Surely, unless you are there when the sound's produced, it's what one perceives.....no?

 

[TKratz]

Sound is indeed very subjective. That is also why you got to audition!

I personally love the sound of Yamaha, especially with B&W speakers (even though I am sure you can also find 'bad' Yamaha/B&W combinations). I find the sound warm compared to brighter receivers like Pioneer or Denon, but it really is a matter of taste. Another part I love about the Yamaha receivers I have tested is the excellent bas control.

 

[Anonymous]

Thanks for all your responses so far.....

Specification wise the Yamaha has 25W per channel more (although I've read this does not mean much) than the denon, and 1 more zone. The Denon has 1 more HDMI input, otherwise they are similar (with the Yamaha being a class up in categories?)

My primary concern is sound quality. I would consider my NAD stereo amp to be a "mellow and warm" sound, as are the B&W sound, which is what i prefer for music. I have been told the Yamaha sound is brighter compared to an NAD........ I don't like the Klipsh or Pioneer sound (too bright) but that's my personal preference.

Here i am rambling on again.....

OK, it boils down to personal preference - unfortunately I can't demo the Yamaha as the place that has it (only 1 left in the whole state) does not have good speakers to test them out. I have demoed the 1910 with the 684. As i mentioned - musically the 1910 quite good but i wasn't impressed with the movie sound. ( I am no expert once again!)

So far more votes for the Yamaha.

I wonder what the WHF team's input to this topic would be?

Thanks again

 

[Anonymous]

fowler:Pistol Pete1:
fowler:i think the yamaha should be superior dont forget it was the best amp you could get up to a grand last year comfortably beating the onkyo 876 and denon 2809, the 2310's previous version the 2309 was a step down in price class to the 2809,i think denon has put the price of the recievers up this year, the 2809's replacement the 3310 (now £1200)is more of a match to the yamaha performance wise, id go for the yamaha myself.

The Denon 2310 replaces both the 2309 AND 2809, which is why it is priced the same as the more expensive model. Denon seems to have just decided not to make as many models this year.

Afterall, there wasn't much difference between the 2309 and 2809 last year!!

the denon 2310 does replace the 2809 but only in price, the denon 2809 was £200 more than the 2309 and had more power and multiroom support. looking at the specs of the 3310 it looks more like the replacement to the 2809 although its more expensive as is the 2310 to the 2309. i personily think the yamaha should be a step up from the 2310. just my opinion!

That's a strong statement coming from a Denon owner

 

[Pistol Pete1]

Which bit?

 

[Anonymous]

bigboss:If you think Yamaha sounds bright, you should listen to Pioneer! Yamaha RX-V1900 is quite warm and sonic. It's excellent for both movies & music. Definitely have a listen. It's a superb receiver. I haven't heard Denon, so cannot comment on it. But Yamaha is in the league of Denon 3310 which is a step above the 2310.

Good to chat to you again. I agree with you on the Pioneer. On the other hand, the Yamaha has been described as more treble heavy compared to the Denon or NAD. I haven't heard the Yamaha so i cannot say for myself.

I will do a demo but the shop that has the Yamaha has crappy speakers. This is the last one in stock. I suppose its better than nothing?

 

[Anonymous]

Pistol Pete1:Which bit?

Apologies, I was quoting Fowler, still not used to the technicalities of this forum

 

[lcd4ever]

I described the Yamaha sound as 'real'; what I mean by this is to my ears it does not sound in any way 'coloured' by the processor; I tend to watch everything on the 'straight' mode ie as the moviemaker intended no extra processing by me(my receiver). Voices sound like they should, when there are explosions etc they are loud and detailed, not boomy or overcooked.

hth

 

[bigboss]

karloong:

bigboss:If you think Yamaha sounds bright, you should listen to Pioneer! Yamaha RX-V1900 is quite warm and sonic. It's excellent for both movies & music. Definitely have a listen. It's a superb receiver. I haven't heard Denon, so cannot comment on it. But Yamaha is in the league of Denon 3310 which is a step above the 2310.

Good to chat to you again. I agree with you on the Pioneer. On the other hand, the Yamaha has been described as more treble heavy compared to the Denon or NAD. I haven't heard the Yamaha so i cannot say for myself.

I will do a demo but the shop that has the Yamaha has crappy speakers. This is the last one in stock. I suppose its better than nothing?

Maybe there aren't many Yamaha RX-V1900s in stock because this model is being replaced by the newer RX-V2065: http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/productdetail.html?CNTID=5041060&CTID=5000300

 

[Anonymous]

OK, here's the deal.

The guy at the store stocking the yamaha was a real jerk. He was an arrogant salesperson, forcing his opinion on me (when not even asked for) and bagged B&W speakers (which he didn't know i already had) and dissed What Hi Fi, saying the reviews are sheet and not worth paying attention to.

He was trying to sell Dynaudio, which no doubt, are awesome speakers (but i was not shopping for speakers ! my friend was, and he already decided on the B&W FPM 4s. I reckon sometimes the sales people should ask more questions and listen rather than voice his opinion on customers..........

Anyhoo, the other store that stocked B&W and Denon was extremely helpful, and provided an excellent service, and not to mention a good price.

I was impressed by the sound of the 2310, and because of the service, price and non imposing and arrogant sales pitch, decided to go with the Denon 2310. ( BTW it is significantly better than the 1910 IMHO)

I am still yet to hear the Yam and have no doubts it is an awesome receiver but not being able to test them with B&Ws and the bad sales pitch put me off.

2310 it is !!!!!!

 

[Pistol Pete1]

In my opinion, 'you have chosen wisely.' (Sounds like a quote from 'Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade'!!)

I agree that it is much better than the Denon 1910 too, especially with 2 channel stereo.

Enjoy it-I've had mine for a while now, and both my wife and I are STILL amazed by the detail and clarity it gives. (BTW, the sound quality improves with some run in time!!)

 

[Anonymous]

karloong:

OK, here's the deal.

The guy at the store stocking the Yamaha was a real jerk. He was an arrogant salesperson, forcing his opinion on me (when not even asked for) and bagged B&W speakers (which he didn't know i already had) and dissed What Hi Fi, saying the reviews are sheet and not worth paying attention to.

He was trying to sell Dynaudio, which no doubt, are awesome speakers (but i was not shopping for speakers ! my friend was, and he already decided on the B&W FPM 4s. I reckon sometimes the sales people should ask more questions and listen rather than voice his opinion on customers..........

Anyhoo, the other store that stocked B&W and Denon was extremely helpful, and provided an excellent service, and not to mention a good price.

I was impressed by the sound of the 2310, and because of the service, price and non imposing and arrogant sales pitch, decided to go with the Denon 2310. ( BTW it is significantly better than the 1910 IMHO)

I am still yet to hear the Yam and have no doubts it is an awesome receiver but not being able to test them with B&Ws and the bad sales pitch put me off.

2310 it is !!!!!!

Congratulations on your choice , too late for me to put my tuppence worth in , but I still think it is relevant so here it goes

You are in Australia I believe?

I also believe Yamaha amplifiers sold in the UK are tuned for the UK market so comparisons with what is available and reviews out side the UK may be in conflict or even confusing.

Also Pioneers are tuned in Air Studios London , again this might be exclusively for the UK market.

This might explain why some find Yamaha bright outside the UK

Regards

Andy