macdiddy
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Hi gel.
I would have thought that as the creators of the bluray format, then surely Sony should produce one of the first 4K players for the consumer market as they have already brought out 4K mastered blurays ( not proper 4K resolution ).
I think Pioneer will be in the running as well seeing as they have just brought out two new high end players.
I also think that March next year is too early to see 4K players in the shops as I don't think the final specs have been confirmed yet.
As to your final comment, from what I have read from a quick search, even though HDMI 2.0 has been released, it seem that version 1.4 will be okay for 4K.
Hope this helps.
*dance4*
I would have thought that as the creators of the bluray format, then surely Sony should produce one of the first 4K players for the consumer market as they have already brought out 4K mastered blurays ( not proper 4K resolution ).
I think Pioneer will be in the running as well seeing as they have just brought out two new high end players.
I also think that March next year is too early to see 4K players in the shops as I don't think the final specs have been confirmed yet.
As to your final comment, from what I have read from a quick search, even though HDMI 2.0 has been released, it seem that version 1.4 will be okay for 4K.
Hope this helps.
*dance4*
bigboss
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Yes, Sony is likely to be the first. And no, Pioneer won't release any player, considering that they've sold their AV business to Onkyo.
Current HDMI cables should work fine.
Current HDMI cables should work fine.
I'd imagine with Redray already being available I don't think starting a line of 4K BD players would be worth it. http://www.red.com/products/redray
Granted looking at the bottom of that page I can't see people wanting to collect USB sticks for movies. Maybe the thing to do would be release the BD with either the 4K USB stick in the case or a leaflet for an Ultraviolet type download to stor in your Redray player. I've heard this idea been put about before.
Granted looking at the bottom of that page I can't see people wanting to collect USB sticks for movies. Maybe the thing to do would be release the BD with either the 4K USB stick in the case or a leaflet for an Ultraviolet type download to stor in your Redray player. I've heard this idea been put about before.
Wasn't red-ray used in hddvd and it was decided that blu-ray was better and could hold more data, that is my understanding.
I have a question what sort of prices are these players going to be priced at next year, i need a new player and i'm holding out for the new 4K player but i think £200 will be my limit, if it's going to be much over that, i don't really see the point in buying one yet.
I have a question what sort of prices are these players going to be priced at next year, i need a new player and i'm holding out for the new 4K player but i think £200 will be my limit, if it's going to be much over that, i don't really see the point in buying one yet.
bigboss
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simonlewis said:
This is different; the films are stored in SD cards and USB drives, not discs. It also has 1TB internal storage.
It was launched last year for £950.
Frank Harvey
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Even though there was a picture of a Sharp one I saw somewhere yesterday, I reckon Sony will be first to market. Gel, smaller companies like Oppo generally hold back initially, and wait to see what develops, as it's not always best to get a player out for initial launch if you're a small company - larger companies can market a player that's not quite finished and be unaffected, whereas it can destroy a smaller company's reputation and customer confidence in the brand. Things can change quickly.
I expect first gen 4k Bluray to be £500 minimum, but I'd be very happy to be wrong. The biggest cost will be the dics and just how greedy the movie houses will be. I think I read somewhere that it will be 3rd/4th quarter 2015 before everything is ready for market.
The fact that Disc manufacturing is dwindling somewhat suggests to me it would be a fruitless task pursuing the 100GB BDs.
Even though we know a 4K title could be squeezed onto one of these discs, whats the point. With music going more solidstate and the fact they have now relaxed the laws of ripping movies and music from discs for personal use would also make sence 4K be a download market and a stored mediaum so the video doesn't have to be so compressed.
I don't know if they could manage a fully uncompressed picture like they can audio and as I've said before, Ive seen uncompressed HD video and it's not a massive difference between that and what we as consumers get on the final BD.
I do think the difference between a compressed 4K picture will be far greater and won't make the picture much better that what we get on Blu-Ray.
On the other hand with the way the manufacturers are going. It wouldn't supprise me they woud throw a few 4K BD players at us with a handfull of titles on disc equating to that of Laser disc only to revert to solid state and for discs to go the way of VHS.
Even though we know a 4K title could be squeezed onto one of these discs, whats the point. With music going more solidstate and the fact they have now relaxed the laws of ripping movies and music from discs for personal use would also make sence 4K be a download market and a stored mediaum so the video doesn't have to be so compressed.
I don't know if they could manage a fully uncompressed picture like they can audio and as I've said before, Ive seen uncompressed HD video and it's not a massive difference between that and what we as consumers get on the final BD.
I do think the difference between a compressed 4K picture will be far greater and won't make the picture much better that what we get on Blu-Ray.
On the other hand with the way the manufacturers are going. It wouldn't supprise me they woud throw a few 4K BD players at us with a handfull of titles on disc equating to that of Laser disc only to revert to solid state and for discs to go the way of VHS.
The trouble for the disc system is that technology marches relentlessly on and nowhere is that more true than in the computing and associated industries.
A year or more for a few discs and a few players, where will the internet, storage and Netflix [type] services be by then? I suspect 4k discs are a, chasing the tail of a comet, product that will last about as long as a lunar eclipse.
A year or more for a few discs and a few players, where will the internet, storage and Netflix [type] services be by then? I suspect 4k discs are a, chasing the tail of a comet, product that will last about as long as a lunar eclipse.
I think the USB flash drive is the way forward. I have said this before
Huge storage on these now - and I am sure they are fast enough to supply the needed data.
You have no motors needed to spin the drive - silent in terms of noise and noise generated.
The only issue is cost of them I suppose
Huge storage on these now - and I am sure they are fast enough to supply the needed data.
You have no motors needed to spin the drive - silent in terms of noise and noise generated.
The only issue is cost of them I suppose
bigboss
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To be honest, it should be a lot cheaper to make a media player which can read 4K USB stick than a 4K blu ray player.
Also, it can easily be future proof to handle 8K as well.
Redray player is exactly that. The studios are reluctant to embrace the format due to piracy issues.
Also, it can easily be future proof to handle 8K as well.
Redray player is exactly that. The studios are reluctant to embrace the format due to piracy issues.
It will be cheaper a lot if you make it a 4K Blu-ray player software.
Recently I saw great news which shows that with the coming of 4K Blu-ray, Macgo Blu-ray Player has updated to new version to support 4K Blu-ray.
http://www.softexia.com/multimedia/players/macgo-blu-ray-player/
Recently I saw great news which shows that with the coming of 4K Blu-ray, Macgo Blu-ray Player has updated to new version to support 4K Blu-ray.
http://www.softexia.com/multimedia/players/macgo-blu-ray-player/
USB stick will never fly. Relitivly small ones (1gb) still are around 4-5 usd (cost) and are easlily hacked/copied plus its even more material used and wasted then theres batteries inside which will give them alsorts of trouble and all those costs will be passed on. (not to mention if the internal bat runs out you have lost you info.)
The problem with blu ray and dvd and any disc based media is not the cost of producing it, (the infrustucture is all ready there) its the fact your shiping alot of air and they get indredably heavy very quickly and that is what makes it espensvie......Digital is not the answer currently as most can't and wont pay the premium for superfast broadband plus even unlimted is still subject to fare useage.
So Hard formates will be hear for the long haul and in regards to who will be first to market it will be the big visual brands samsunge, panasonic and sony...... Pioneer and onkyo will proably release one farly quickly but will be made by some else im sure with the name on it.....
The problem with blu ray and dvd and any disc based media is not the cost of producing it, (the infrustucture is all ready there) its the fact your shiping alot of air and they get indredably heavy very quickly and that is what makes it espensvie......Digital is not the answer currently as most can't and wont pay the premium for superfast broadband plus even unlimted is still subject to fare useage.
So Hard formates will be hear for the long haul and in regards to who will be first to market it will be the big visual brands samsunge, panasonic and sony...... Pioneer and onkyo will proably release one farly quickly but will be made by some else im sure with the name on it.....
jjbomber
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gel said:
There is a problem trying to get permission from the Blu-ray Disc Association. By the time they sort that out, Blu-Ray will be superceeded. Crazy format wars yet again.
Paul.
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bigboss
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Details on 4K blu-ray spec confirmed at CES:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/more-details-on-ultra-hd-blu-ray-confirmed-at-ces-2015
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/more-details-on-ultra-hd-blu-ray-confirmed-at-ces-2015
This is not aimed directly at you BB. I just followed your link.
Well a 100G disc is only twice that of the current crop of BD. Though 4K is twice the size of 2Kwe know it's actually more than that. So the nice Ultra HD picture will need even more compressing than its 2K BD counterpart.
It's about time the undustry gave us a HD format that they don't have to compress but because the provider (film/TV industry) is running much faster than the middle man (TV and player manufacturers) the middle men can never catch uo. So they palm us off with what ever they can manage to do with the content.
If all DVD content was now released on BD ti's likely they wouldn't have to compress the picture. As long as the Bites Per Minute is quick enough. Same for the current BD content if the speed of a 100G BD was quick enough the wouldn't need to compress the 2K content and we wouln't see half the picture artifacts that get created by the compression.
567i content looks far better than we've ever seen in and I mean from a non 2K digital source. As I've said elsewhere both new BD and DVD content is taken from the same source and compressed accordingly.
So 4K in the Cinema will look stunning but if they then pile it on to a 100G BD I don't think it will look quite so good as the difference from 2K Cinema to current BD spec.
Rant over.
Well a 100G disc is only twice that of the current crop of BD. Though 4K is twice the size of 2Kwe know it's actually more than that. So the nice Ultra HD picture will need even more compressing than its 2K BD counterpart.
It's about time the undustry gave us a HD format that they don't have to compress but because the provider (film/TV industry) is running much faster than the middle man (TV and player manufacturers) the middle men can never catch uo. So they palm us off with what ever they can manage to do with the content.
If all DVD content was now released on BD ti's likely they wouldn't have to compress the picture. As long as the Bites Per Minute is quick enough. Same for the current BD content if the speed of a 100G BD was quick enough the wouldn't need to compress the 2K content and we wouln't see half the picture artifacts that get created by the compression.
567i content looks far better than we've ever seen in and I mean from a non 2K digital source. As I've said elsewhere both new BD and DVD content is taken from the same source and compressed accordingly.
So 4K in the Cinema will look stunning but if they then pile it on to a 100G BD I don't think it will look quite so good as the difference from 2K Cinema to current BD spec.
Rant over.
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